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Old 10-16-2019, 10:38 PM   #1
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Default Bush gun, what should I get?

I guide year round in Texas and out West. I have been kicking around the idea of buying a rifle for close range and follow up shots through thick brush.

Love a solid lever action and have been looking at the .45-70.

What does the green screen have to say about the .45-70?

What other heavy calibers should I consider looking at?


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Old 10-16-2019, 10:39 PM   #2
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35 remington is mine.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:44 PM   #3
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.45-70 is a great choice! I've been using a .450 bushmaster in the Ruger American, it's a hammer. Blew a lemon sized hole through a WT buck last year. Shot the buck in my avatar with it too. Lever would be faster for follow up shots, but so far I haven't needed one.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:46 PM   #4
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Skip the caliber fodder, lets jump straight to Grizzly Bears
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:47 PM   #5
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I shoot a 6" barrel in the bush. Depending on the cougar the barrel could be longer.......
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:47 PM   #6
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:54 PM   #7
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AR 10 in 308

If you’re stuck on a lever, a 44 or 45 with the right ammo would be my choice.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:54 PM   #8
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I like my 338 marlin express in a lever


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Old 10-16-2019, 10:57 PM   #9
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45-70 would be my choice. Whatever that hits ain't going nowhere.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:58 PM   #10
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When i think about a brush gun it is a heavy caliber short barrel with easily acquired open sights. Shots have to be very close, because no bullets can survive hitting any sticks without deflection. The farther the stick is from what you are shooting at, the further the bullet deflects.
I once shot at a turkey 50 yds away, and when i fired i saw a mesquite twig i couldn't see in the scope fall. and the turkey ran off unscathed. Caliber 7mm magnum. Since, i have made sure any deer i shot at were well clear of any obstructions.
Many years ago i read an article in one of the gun mags where they set up some dowels with targets behind them at different ranges. Nothing they shot could hit the targets near the aiming point if it hit a dowel and was lees than a few yards past the dowels. So today when i think of a brush gun, i think of the gun i described above.
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Old 10-16-2019, 11:02 PM   #11
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Marlin GBL .45-70.
https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever.../model-1895gbl
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Old 10-16-2019, 11:04 PM   #12
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Old 10-16-2019, 11:24 PM   #13
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Old 10-16-2019, 11:30 PM   #14
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Old 10-16-2019, 11:38 PM   #15
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A lite, short barreled 243, bolt gun.
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Old 10-16-2019, 11:39 PM   #16
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If youre thinking lever gun, Id go with the 45-70.


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Old 10-16-2019, 11:49 PM   #17
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Something like a Marlin Guide Gun, in a 45-70 would be nice, a AR 15 carbine, in either 450 Bushmaster or 458 SOCOM would work very well also. Some form of tactical 12 ga. with a mixture of slugs and buck shot would work great for busting pigs in the brush.
I pieced together a 458 SOCOM, so I would have a fun big bore brush gun. That can chunk some heavier chunks of lead, if I choose someday, for things like moose. Just incase that opportunity comes along, since I keep wanting to go to Alaska.
Another option, would be to find a Winchester 94 in 375 Winchester, those make good pig guns, we used to have one. Possibly a Savage 99 in a 358 Winchester. Or the ultimate in brush gun, there is a company, that makes a M1 Garand in 458 Win. Mag., that would be hard to beat. I want one of those so bad.

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Old 10-16-2019, 11:55 PM   #18
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When i think about a brush gun it is a heavy caliber short barrel with easily acquired open sights. Shots have to be very close, because no bullets can survive hitting any sticks without deflection. The farther the stick is from what you are shooting at, the further the bullet deflects.
I once shot at a turkey 50 yds away, and when i fired i saw a mesquite twig i couldn't see in the scope fall. and the turkey ran off unscathed. Caliber 7mm magnum. Since, i have made sure any deer i shot at were well clear of any obstructions.
Many years ago i read an article in one of the gun mags where they set up some dowels with targets behind them at different ranges. Nothing they shot could hit the targets near the aiming point if it hit a dowel and was lees than a few yards past the dowels. So today when i think of a brush gun, i think of the gun i described above.

I remember that article. I missed a turkey once, because it turned out there was a strand of barbed wire, that was being blocked from view, by my horizontal crosshair. I cut that strand of barbed wire cleanly, missed the turkey completely, that was only a 40 or 50 yard shot, the barbed wire was probably 20 yards away from me.
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Old 10-17-2019, 12:00 AM   #19
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I had to laugh when I saw the “no bullet shoots through sticks” thang.

I’ve shot through small trees with 444 SuperPerformance and the following two are crazy:

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=156

https://www.underwoodammo.com/collec...18785711652921

If they make it, I try it.

If you aren’t gonna scope it and it really is intended for closer range, 30-30 or 44 mag

If you want a 6 1/2 lb dream to carry rifle vvvvvvvvv

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/836560162

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https://www.xssights.com/Detail.aspx...93866&CAT=8508

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Old 10-17-2019, 12:24 AM   #20
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Old 10-17-2019, 02:58 AM   #21
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I shoot a 6" barrel in the bush. Depending on the cougar the barrel could be longer.......


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Old 10-17-2019, 03:51 AM   #22
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Guess I'm old fashioned, 30-30 Marlin 336.

If it were bear country I could see getting a 45-70.
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Old 10-17-2019, 04:04 AM   #23
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Guess I'm old fashioned, 30-30 Marlin 336.

If it were bear country I could see getting a 45-70.
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Old 10-17-2019, 05:55 AM   #24
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45-70 is hard to beat factory ammo from mild to elephant. I am a Marlin guy so find an older JM stamped Guide Gun or in my opinion better would be to find an 1895 rifle pistol grip stock and cut the barrel down seems like the pistol helps tame the recoil.
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Old 10-17-2019, 06:29 AM   #25
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I'd go with a Marlin in .45-70, with a Marlin .444 as second choice with a good ghost ring sight.
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Old 10-17-2019, 06:34 AM   #26
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I liked carrying my Marlin 45-70 and shot deer and hogs with it. It is fun to shoot and looks cool but nothing I ever shot with it fell over. It does make a big hole but it has little shock value and yes things die but not right away so I quit carrying it in hog country for that reason. I read where an African PH said they have lost more game to a 45-70 than any other caliber.
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Old 10-17-2019, 06:49 AM   #27
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20 gauge Remington pump, open sights, rifled slug barrel. Short, accurate, and carries a thump.
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Old 10-17-2019, 06:50 AM   #28
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:09 AM   #29
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20 gauge Remington pump, open sights, rifled slug barrel. Short, accurate, and carries a thump.
Best suggestion so far, if actually in the brush and need a beater gun.

I like lever guns and own a bunch in all kind of calibers, but a 30-30 or 35 Rem in a saddle carbine would be hard to beat for a back up rifle in Texas.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:40 AM   #30
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As a couple of others have previously stated, a good Marlin 30-30 would be my choice. It may not be as sexy as some of the other calibers, but it will get the job done on Texas whitetails. As others have said, the myth that a big heavy caliber will shoot through brush into the target is just that, a myth. Twigs and sticks will deflect bullets, even at close range. Good 30-30s are readily available, and 30-30 ammo can be found everywhere and still runs around $15.00 a box for 150 or 175 grain soft point bullets. Plus, as I get older I prefer guns with less recoil, especially if I am pursuing game that does not require a heavy recoiling cartridge. I also would assume a 30-30 would weigh less than a 45-70 so carrying a lighter gun with less recoil also appeals to me. Finally, a gun whose shells are less expensive and that recoil is less translates into a gun I am likely to practice with more and become more proficient with. Just my 2 cents, but in the end, any of the above calibers/guns will get the job done.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:58 AM   #31
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There is always the Teddy Roosevelt gun. https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...hester-rifles/
The .405 is a bad momma but it might be a bit on the heavy side.
https://youtu.be/P2yQFWDkBRQ

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Old 10-17-2019, 08:32 AM   #32
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I have a bunch of lever actions, including the 35 rem, which is my official answer.

But the truth is that I grab the 357 lever action every time, since I always have my 357 revolver on my hip.

It's just easier....and if I really need it, I can use two shots
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Old 10-17-2019, 08:42 AM   #33
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The Mossberg 500 youth 20 gauge has particulars that lend it to this kind of use like a shorter stock and especially the pump action is located closer to the receiver for a shorter throw. I use this in shotgun only areas all the time.

It is way more bulky than a rifle

It does not hit as hard

The for-end rattles at the wrong time every time where you have to develop a technique of using your thumb and booger finger against the barrel to keep it quiet.

An SA-20 is a better option in that regard
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Old 10-17-2019, 08:47 AM   #34
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I'd say all the answers above will work but if your gut is saying 45-70 I'd get the 45-70. Skip the scope and put good irons on it. I've got skinner irons on mine and it really changed how well I can shoot it.
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Old 10-17-2019, 08:52 AM   #35
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Ruger American Ranch in .450 Bushmaster with a Red dot. It's cheap and compact with a 16" barrell. Perfect for this application.
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45-70 is the perfect brush gun! IMHO
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Old 10-17-2019, 08:56 AM   #37
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Best suggestion so far, if actually in the brush and need a beater gun.

I like lever guns and own a bunch in all kind of calibers, but a 30-30 or 35 Rem in a saddle carbine would be hard to beat for a back up rifle in Texas.
Yep. People with no experience with one are surprised when they finally shoot or handle a real slug gun with a 22" barrel. I have a 64 gun safe full of high dollar rifles and glass. I routinely grab one of my slug guns these days.
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I use my 30-30. Doesn't have near the kick of a 45-70.
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35 remington is mine.
Mine too!
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:21 AM   #40
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I have two brush guns. One being a Marlin 45-70 w/iron sights and the other a Ruger M77 Frontier in 300WSM.
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:28 AM   #42
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Great choice. 45-70 gov in a 18inch gun. That would be my choice, only draw is how loud it is!
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:30 AM   #43
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My knock out gun is a Ruger .44 magnum carbine.
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:31 AM   #44
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I shoot a 6" barrel in the bush. Depending on the cougar the barrel could be longer.......
I see what you did there...well played sir
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:37 AM   #45
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Old reliable- Marlin 30-30. Dependable, durable, accurate up to 100 yards yet great brush rifle, great knock down punch, affordable rifle/ammo, and doesn't kick too hard.
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:49 AM   #46
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12gauge.... 1st round slug next round 3" #1buckshot.
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:02 AM   #47
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Good ol single barrel pump action yogurt cannon
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:05 AM   #48
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450 BM in Ruger ranch rifle or AR-15. Knocks the air out of em.
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Ruger 77-44. I shoot the 240 grain Hornady XTP ammo in it and the .44 Mag is a different animal when fired in the longer barreled rifle. We hunt bear and I have never seen anything knock a big bear off a limb like this recipe. Also, very little recoil. I use the iron sights but would consider mounting a Trijicon RMR on it as I did my Super Blackhawk also in .44 Mag.
The rifle is lightweight, stainless and rugged.
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Ruger 77-44. I shoot the 240 grain Hornady XTP ammo in it and the .44 Mag is a different animal when fired in the longer barreled rifle. We hunt bear and I have never seen anything knock a big bear off a limb like this recipe. Also, very little recoil. I use the iron sights but would consider mounting a Trijicon RMR on it as I did my Super Blackhawk also in .44 Mag.
The rifle is lightweight, stainless and rugged.
Adios,
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Recently (last Sunday) saw your show where the gals got the bears. I noticed they were shooting bolt guns... Is that what those were? I'd have to say, those bears were clobbered!! Both hit the ground stone cold dedd!
Oh and good show Gary!
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