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Old 10-03-2022, 03:33 PM   #101
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I watched one video on facebook, and the guy running the tournament (the one that cut the fish open) said "It might be best if yall get outta here...and yelled out I don't want anyone to touch these guys." Smart because now they don't have any recourse against the tournament series if they woulda let the crowd beat the cheater out of them.
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Old 10-03-2022, 04:18 PM   #102
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Salt in the wound is that the second place stringer was only at 16 lbs. They weighed in at 33 lbs with the added 8 lbs of weights. The dumbasses would be still won big time with a 25 lb stringer if they wouldn't have cheated lol. They went WAY overboard with this one.
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Old 10-03-2022, 04:22 PM   #103
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These guys need more than a “Lifetime Ban” from fishing tournaments. They need at least a 15+ year ban from having any kind of hunting or fishing license, Nationwide.

On a legal note, I’ll be very interested to see if any charges, other than putting “game fish” fillets and attempting to fraudulently win “THIS PARTICULAR” tournament, come about. If there wasn’t any proof on previous tournament results or neither admit n a court of law that they previously cheated, then there can’t be any legal recourse to go after them on previous winnings. I hope The State of Ohio goes after the max penalty on whatever charges they can bring about on these Jack Wagons!

For those that do fish tournaments, is there a way to have a X-Ray machine at the weigh ins? Seems that would eliminate many of the methods to stuff these fish?
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Old 10-03-2022, 04:31 PM   #104
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Salt in the wound is that the second place stringer was only at 16 lbs. They weighed in at 33 lbs with the added 8 lbs of weights. The dumbasses would be still won big time with a 25 lb stringer if they wouldn't have cheated lol. They went WAY overboard with this one.
I've also heard others mention the 16 lb second place. But around 7 minutes into the video the guy is saying that they would need 28.18 to get first place. And that team weighed in a little over 21 lbs.

Maybe I'm missing something because I didn't watch the whole weigh in.
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Old 10-03-2022, 04:41 PM   #105
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I've also heard others mention the 16 lb second place. But around 7 minutes into the video the guy is saying that they would need 28.18 to get first place. And that team weighed in a little over 21 lbs.

Maybe I'm missing something because I didn't watch the whole weigh in.
My guess is there was the tournament at hand plus the angler team of the year based off accumulative tournament weigh in's, the later was where the big money was.
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Old 10-03-2022, 05:01 PM   #106
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I think they needed the 28+ lbs for angle of the year standings.

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Old 10-03-2022, 05:03 PM   #107
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I watched one video on facebook, and the guy running the tournament (the one that cut the fish open) said "It might be best if yall get outta here...and yelled out I don't want anyone to touch these guys." Smart because now they don't have any recourse against the tournament series if they woulda let the crowd beat the cheater out of them.
That guy is a Sgt on a police department. That was a smart move on his part.
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Old 10-03-2022, 05:14 PM   #108
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They didn't rob or attempt to rob anyone. Its is attempted fraud at best, big difference between that and attempted robbery.

Another posted that the fisherman won past tournaments but there is no evidence of fraud in those tournaments.

Time will tell BUT someone has to make a police report and pursue charges. If this is not done then it is a mute point.
This post is either a joke or the most naive comment on this thread.

If someone "attempted" to rape your daughter, what would you say/do?

You always seem to place yourself on the marginal fringe of everything on here.
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Old 10-03-2022, 05:23 PM   #109
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I read that the 2nd place fishermen had fish around 28 inches and weighed in around 16lbs. These jokers fish were around 24 inches long and weighed 32 pounds. They over achieved a bit.
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Old 10-03-2022, 05:29 PM   #110
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I’d be ******.
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Old 10-03-2022, 05:31 PM   #111
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This post is either a joke or the most naive comment on this thread.

If someone "attempted" to rape your daughter, what would you say/do?

You always seem to place yourself on the marginal fringe of everything on here.
Why would you ask such a naive question? Of course there would be some sort of charges levied if someone attempted to rape your daughter. Those charges would be brought forward by the prosecutor not the police

You do understand that no charges have been brought against the fishermen yet? Well maybe not. And you do understand their are charges for attempted crimes such as Larceny and attempted larceny, right? Well maybe not. Or murder and attempted murder or here is an easy one for you, rape or attempted rape.

Now why are you following and going after me verbally? I didn't stick up for these guys but folks on here throw things out that don't apply. Like you bringing up rape. This case (so your are not confused, the walleye case) is about a larceny or attempted larceny plus maybe an attached charge.

Robbery or attempted robbery is an action of taking property unlawfully by force or threat of force. These two did none of that. They loaded fish with weights to try and win funds.

Now how is this me being on the fringe?

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Old 10-03-2022, 05:34 PM   #112
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Saw this pic on fb....really a pair of b>>>>s
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These guys need more than a “Lifetime Ban” from fishing tournaments. They need at least a 15+ year ban from having any kind of hunting or fishing license, Nationwide.

On a legal note, I’ll be very interested to see if any charges, other than putting “game fish” fillets and attempting to fraudulently win “THIS PARTICULAR” tournament, come about. If there wasn’t any proof on previous tournament results or neither admit n a court of law that they previously cheated, then there can’t be any legal recourse to go after them on previous winnings. I hope The State of Ohio goes after the max penalty on whatever charges they can bring about on these Jack Wagons!

For those that do fish tournaments, is there a way to have a X-Ray machine at the weigh ins? Seems that would eliminate many of the methods to stuff these fish?
Not practical to have a Xray machine, they cost too much. That is the point of the polygraph although I don't believe in polygraph science.

As far as the charges, read this. http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story...ting_fisherman
"Since Rose cheated to win the tournament prize -- a new boat -- they charged him with attempted theft of more than $20,000 but less than $100,000, a felony.

"It's not necessarily the cheating, it's the cheating to gain a prize over $10,000," Culpepper said. "Certainly cheating is bad, but it's that he was cheating to gain a $55,000 bass boat. That's why we charged him."
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This post is either a joke or the most naive comment on this thread.

If someone "attempted" to rape your daughter, what would you say/do?

You always seem to place yourself on the marginal fringe of everything on here.
I wouldn't even waste your time with this one
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Old 10-03-2022, 05:44 PM   #115
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This post is either a joke or the most naive comment on this thread.

If someone "attempted" to rape your daughter, what would you say/do?

You always seem to place yourself on the marginal fringe of everything on here.

You’ll notice a pattern…


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Old 10-03-2022, 05:45 PM   #116
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Why would you ask such a naive question? Of course there would be some sort of charges levied if someone attempted to rape your daughter. Those charges would be brought forward by the prosecutor not the police

You do understand that no charges have been brought against the fishermen yet? Well maybe not. And you do understand their are charges for attempted crimes such as Larceny and attempted larceny, right? Well maybe not. Or murder and attempted murder or here is an easy one for you, rape or attempted rape.

Now why are you following and going after me verbally? I didn't stick up for these guys but folks on here throw things out that don't apply. Like you bringing up rape. This case (so your are not confused, the walleye case) is about a larceny or attempted larceny plus maybe an attached charge.

Robbery or attempted robbery is an action of taking property unlawfully by force or threat of force. These two did none of that. They loaded fish with weights to try and win funds.

Now how is this me being on the fringe?
I think most understand what your saying.. but using big words like "fraud" and "larceny" confuses us dumb dumbs. "All we knows is the bad men robbed them of they prizes monies."
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Old 10-03-2022, 05:47 PM   #117
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Saw this pic on fb....really a pair of b>>>>s
Curled up in the fetal position and everything. Looks like 2 kiddos that are getting a real life lesson.
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Old 10-03-2022, 05:48 PM   #118
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Happens in every pro sport.
Astors got caught.
Bonds, bunch of football players, Armstrong, the list goes on, taking roids doesn't help a fish weigh more otherwise fishermen would be juicing.

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Old 10-03-2022, 06:03 PM   #119
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Way too much time invested on Walleye fishing! What is a walleye anyway?
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Old 10-03-2022, 07:03 PM   #120
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Way too much time invested on Walleye fishing! What is a walleye anyway?
Delicious! Only freshwater fish I would trade crappie fillets for!!
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Old 10-03-2022, 07:39 PM   #121
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I saw a video saying these two have won over $300k in tournaments.

I think that was just last year's winnings on this tournament alone, Heck of it is without the weights they would of been in the money but got greedy.
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Old 10-03-2022, 08:35 PM   #122
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Old 10-03-2022, 08:46 PM   #123
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Why would you ask such a naive question? Of course there would be some sort of charges levied if someone attempted to rape your daughter. Those charges would be brought forward by the prosecutor not the police

You do understand that no charges have been brought against the fishermen yet? Well maybe not. And you do understand their are charges for attempted crimes such as Larceny and attempted larceny, right? Well maybe not. Or murder and attempted murder or here is an easy one for you, rape or attempted rape.

Now why are you following and going after me verbally? I didn't stick up for these guys but folks on here throw things out that don't apply. Like you bringing up rape. This case (so your are not confused, the walleye case) is about a larceny or attempted larceny plus maybe an attached charge.

Robbery or attempted robbery is an action of taking property unlawfully by force or threat of force. These two did none of that. They loaded fish with weights to try and win funds.

Now how is this me being on the fringe?
I think you just proved it with this post.
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Old 10-03-2022, 08:50 PM   #124
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Delicious! Only freshwater fish I would trade crappie fillets for!!
Might catch lead poisoning. I'll stick to crappie.
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Old 10-03-2022, 08:53 PM   #125
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Way too much time invested on Walleye fishing! What is a walleye anyway?
Lol, Walleye is one of the best Freshwater fish I’ve ever eaten. The funny thing is, the most profitable and highest marketed fishing tournaments in the country are for a “Ditch Pickle” that tastes like Shiite, compared to most any other freshwater species.
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Where was his partner? At least that guy took it on the chin, lol he was to shocked to do anything. His partner was gone, but supposedly they won a boat on a previous tournament and a lot of money. Read it was a 3rd Degree Felony.

His partner got the **** outta of there before getting a beat down


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Old 10-03-2022, 09:49 PM   #127
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I think they needed the 28+ lbs for angle of the year standings.

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They were already in first place for team of the year. It was a 2 day tournament. They were behind after the first day and needed the 28+ to win the tournament. The announcer said the 2nd place team needed to jump them by 5-6 spots to overtake them.


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Old 10-03-2022, 09:53 PM   #128
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That's the truth

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Prayers sent for the (2) men and their families…


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Old 10-03-2022, 10:37 PM   #132
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Lol, Walleye is one of the best Freshwater fish I’ve ever eaten. The funny thing is, the most profitable and highest marketed fishing tournaments in the country are for a “Ditch Pickle” that tastes like Shiite, compared to most any other freshwater species.
I know some of them there yankee’s and they’ve said it wasn’t very good table fare .
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Old 10-05-2022, 03:33 PM   #133
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https://youtu.be/Zyl9o9y2l-s
I’m aghast!!!! Never fishing again
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Old 10-05-2022, 03:55 PM   #134
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I don't think fishing is going to miss that guy. SMH
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My opinion growing up fishing up north, it's perch, bluegill, and walleye, in that order. All of them are awesome though. and regardless, I'd crush all of them at the friday night fish fry.
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Its a joke
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You have to admit that Runyon stood there and watched, and took it all in like a man. I almost think that he was relieved that what he’d done was finally exposed. He’s a POS as is his partner, but it’s over for them now.
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Akron Beacon Journal
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Two men have been charged related to allegations of cheating in a Lake Erie walleye tournament, the Cuyahoga County prosecutor announced this afternoon.

The men have been charged with cheating, attempted grand theft, possessing criminal tools and unlawful ownership of wild animals, prosecutors said.
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My opinion growing up fishing up north, it's perch, bluegill, and walleye, in that order. All of them are awesome though. and regardless, I'd crush all of them at the friday night fish fry.

Without a doubt!!!
Perch, bluegill and then walleye. In that order

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Heard one of them had their boat confiscated as well.
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Two men have been charged related to allegations of cheating in a Lake Erie walleye tournament, the Cuyahoga County prosecutor announced this afternoon.

The men have been charged with cheating, attempted grand theft, possessing criminal tools and unlawful ownership of wild animals, prosecutors said.
Excellent!
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Good news. Thanks for the update, JD.
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Perch, bluegill and then walleye. In that order

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I completely forgot about smelt runs. I remember catching drums full of those things!
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I don't think fishing is going to miss that guy. SMH
I hope he doesn’t quit his day job, and I’ll never get that 3 minutes back.
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So frustrating that they couldn't come forward and own up to what they did. But no doubt they are proceeding according to whatever their lawyer is recommending. Someone is going to try and work the system to get away with this.
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So frustrating that they couldn't come forward and own up to what they did. But no doubt they are proceeding according to whatever their lawyer is recommending. Someone is going to try and work the system to get away with this.
Don't think they are trying to get away with it , they know they were caught. If its anything like Harris or Fort Bend County it will drag on and on and the charges will be reduced to misdemeanor and a fine and they go on about their lives
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Don't think they are trying to get away with it , they know they were caught. If its anything like Harris or Fort Bend County it will drag on and on and the charges will be reduced to misdemeanor and a fine and they go on about their lives
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