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Old 10-02-2022, 06:44 PM   #51
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More lions are in Texas now that 50 years ago. They do well enough when left alone. Keep things the way they are and they will do just fine.

Really? I am an old hunter and only seen 4. (Mom and two cubs 45 years ago)
Lots more hunters, traffic snd cameras now. And it is still rare to know someone who recently saw one.
Yea really. I know more about lions in Texas than most. I’ve got some personal history with keeping up on them since I was a kid.
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Old 10-02-2022, 06:50 PM   #52
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agreed. Never understood why it was nongame anyway. There's a season for them in every other state that allows hunting them.
And the population has skyrocketed in most of them which is bad news. There’s plenty of big cats in Texas. Current system is fine. We are mostly private land. Almost all of the states you reference are not. Big difference.
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Old 10-02-2022, 06:51 PM   #53
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agreed. Never understood why it was nongame anyway. There's a season for them in every other state that allows hunting them.
Same reason there’s no season on coyotes and bobcats. They are predators not game animals. Pretty soon you won’t be able to hunt anything except for a couple of months out of the year. We’ll be just like California.
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Old 10-02-2022, 06:58 PM   #54
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agreed. Never understood why it was nongame anyway. There's a season for them in every other state that allows hunting them.
You can hunt lions now. Making them a game animal with a season will not increase hunting opportunities. In fact, probably decrease opportunity because of time restraints due to “season”.

More lions=less deer, elk, aoudad, sheep etc to hunt.
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Old 10-02-2022, 07:26 PM   #55
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Best case scenario is that this study shows just what you see Gary, an increasing population. No need for protection of any kind. That is what the non hunting groups are really pushing , hoping a study shows low numbers so they can start with limiting take then saying they need protection down the line.
I still think you need some but not to the detriment of other wildlife and domestic livestock.

Get your voices heard with TPW, don't just vent on here.
Comment on this proposal.
Enough hunters stepping up and commenting will get noticed.
Document sightings, trail cam pics etc.
Evidence of a healthy population is what they need to see.
Study could show a huge lion population and it would not matter to the people behind this petition. They have an agenda, and if tpwd does not give in to them, they will try other ways to get this passed.

Lions populations are thriving between absentee landowners, less trapping, less hound hunting, less cattle ranchers etc.

Sharing pictures with these people, not a chance. And I get a picture a week of a different lion at least.
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Old 10-02-2022, 09:08 PM   #56
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Study could show a huge lion population and it would not matter to the people behind this petition. They have an agenda, and if tpwd does not give in to them, they will try other ways to get this passed.

Lions populations are thriving between absentee landowners, less trapping, less hound hunting, less cattle ranchers etc.

Sharing pictures with these people, not a chance. And I get a picture a week of a different lion at least.
Let me come kill one! I’ll bring beer and food
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Old 10-02-2022, 09:34 PM   #57
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If the population is thriving there is no need for government intervention, I.e regulations.


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Old 10-03-2022, 07:24 AM   #58
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Old 10-03-2022, 09:16 AM   #59
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If this is allowed, you open a Pandera's Box for other "Non-Hunter" (anti-hunter) groups to infiltrate Texas with Regulations intent on the obstruction of hunting anything. The Friends of Coyotes Coalition, Feral Hogs United, The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty of Racoons, etc, etc! Do not California my Texas!!!
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Old 10-03-2022, 10:52 AM   #60
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More lions are in Texas now that 50 years ago. They do well enough when left alone. Keep things the way they are and they will do just fine.

Really? I am an old hunter and only seen 4. (Mom and two cubs 45 years ago)
Lots more hunters, traffic snd cameras now. And it is still rare to know someone who recently saw one.

Yes, really.

There are a lot more deer in Texas today than have ever existed here…ever. Deer is the main prey of lions.

Ranchers don’t kill as many lions as they used to because there are more deer for lions to eat. Healthy lions don’t kill livestock if they have deer to eat.

Texas is, effectively, all privately owned. Hunting pressure on lions is limited to that which a landowner allows. That’s a whole lot less pressure that western public lands get.

More preferred food, less targeted lion killing and severely limited opportunistic lion killing equals more lions. Habitat-gobbling urban sprawl is non-existent in prime lion country in Texas.

Lions are doing fine in Texas and folks clamoring about them becoming over-populated and wiping out deer populations are just as silly as those on the other side


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Old 10-03-2022, 11:43 AM   #61
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We just got one on camera just North of Uvalde
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Old 10-03-2022, 11:56 AM   #62
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it was about 18 months ago when TPW sent an alert out that mountain lions could no longer be shot from a helicopter. I believe it was march 1 2021, because we flew our place on march 2 that year, and the pilot said it just came out the day before.
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Old 10-03-2022, 11:57 AM   #63
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You can hunt lions now. Making them a game animal with a season will not increase hunting opportunities. In fact, probably decrease opportunity because of time restraints due to “season”.

More lions=less deer, elk, aoudad, sheep etc to hunt.
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Study could show a huge lion population and it would not matter to the people behind this petition. They have an agenda, and if tpwd does not give in to them, they will try other ways to get this passed.

Lions populations are thriving between absentee landowners, less trapping, less hound hunting, less cattle ranchers etc.

Sharing pictures with these people, not a chance. And I get a picture a week of a different lion at least.
Exactly, Jim. The people behind this don't care about lion populations. They just want to find a way to start chipping away at hunting and trapping and landowner rights to protect livestock. This proposal should get ZERO support from hunters and rational people in general.
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Old 10-03-2022, 12:10 PM   #64
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Im sure the Deep in The Heart Documentary that was released this summer also helped spread the propaganda of trapping/killing of mountain lions.

It was a good film about Texas and its species but they were certainly spreading an agenda.

***Edit - just realized this was covered in an earlier post**
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Old 10-03-2022, 12:33 PM   #65
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Yea really. I know more about lions in Texas than most. I’ve got some personal history with keeping up on them since I was a kid.
I've searched for your story but either it's gone or I suk at searching (probably the later).
Could you please re-post your story.

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Old 10-03-2022, 01:17 PM   #66
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I was the first person to be attacked in Big Bend National Park when I was a kid. Took 14 operations to put back in one piece.
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Old 10-03-2022, 01:51 PM   #67
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It's the creation of a broad spectrum advisory committee that bothers me. This is how they all start - animal rights wackos join the committee and slowly push out the factual biologists, landowners, etc. Then they start recommending more and more restrictions on hunting certain species, then they recommend changes in the laws. Whether or not the committee goes forward, we need to be diligent in making sure our reps and TPWD KNOW where we stand on all issues.
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Old 10-03-2022, 05:22 PM   #68
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I don’t know anything about mountain lions.
So I’m out of this. But I don’t think there are too many in this goat/sheep area Of central Texas.

For the record, I kill every varmint, predator and fawn/turkey killer I can on our place.
Last cougar I saw was in Webb County 3 yrs ago. Really big ranch. Ranch manager was surprised and shocked as I was.
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Old 10-03-2022, 10:42 PM   #69
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It's the creation of a broad spectrum advisory committee that bothers me. This is how they all start - animal rights wackos join the committee and slowly push out the factual biologists, landowners, etc. Then they start recommending more and more restrictions on hunting certain species, then they recommend changes in the laws. Whether or not the committee goes forward, we need to be diligent in making sure our reps and TPWD KNOW where we stand on all issues.
I totally get where you're coming from but also expect this will likely go the same way the bow fishing studies did. TPWD is know for doing a study, tossing the data in the trash and doing what they wanted to from the get-go.
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Old 10-04-2022, 09:32 AM   #70
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The fact that people from "non hunting" groups are on the committee should tell you what's going to happen.
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Old 10-04-2022, 10:08 PM   #71
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`If TPWD is doing it then it will get screwed up. Our tax dollars are paying for their screw up with the small mouth bass/Guadalupe bass fiasco right now.
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Old 10-05-2022, 06:16 AM   #72
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More lions are in Texas now that 50 years ago. They do well enough when left alone. Keep things the way they are and they will do just fine. This is California come to Texas crap.
100% this, Plenty of cats but does not mean your kids will ever see one!
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Old 10-05-2022, 09:33 AM   #73
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If this is allowed, you open a Pandera's Box for other "Non-Hunter" (anti-hunter) groups to infiltrate Texas with Regulations intent on the obstruction of hunting anything. The Friends of Coyotes Coalition, Feral Hogs United, The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty of Racoons, etc, etc! Do not California my Texas!!!
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I totally get where you're coming from but also expect this will likely go the same way the bow fishing studies did. TPWD is know for doing a study, tossing the data in the trash and doing what they wanted to from the get-go.
Don't let past performance confuse future predictions. Society is in a constant state of flux and just because the laws went one way several years ago doesn't mean it will continue on the same path.
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Old 10-05-2022, 03:53 PM   #74
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Don't let past performance confuse future predictions. Society is in a constant state of flux and just because the laws went one way several years ago doesn't mean it will continue on the same path.
Speaking of the word hope, anyone know anything about the new guy running TPWD? Is he gonna be better than the last guy? Won't take much.
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Old 10-05-2022, 04:07 PM   #75
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Speaking of the word hope, anyone know anything about the new guy running TPWD? Is he gonna be better than the last guy? Won't take much.
Is this him?


https://www.statesman.com/story/news...b/10037167007/
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Old 10-05-2022, 04:11 PM   #76
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If this is allowed, you open a Pandera's Box for other "Non-Hunter" (anti-hunter) groups to infiltrate Texas with Regulations intent on the obstruction of hunting anything. The Friends of Coyotes Coalition, Feral Hogs United, The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty of Racoons, etc, etc! Do not California my Texas!!!
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Old 10-05-2022, 04:14 PM   #77
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Jackson County better not have a limit. Place is overran with mountain lions.
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Old 10-05-2022, 04:23 PM   #78
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Jackson County better not have a limit. Place is overran with mountain lions.
I've only seen cougars down there.
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Old 10-05-2022, 04:50 PM   #79
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I think this may be him:

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Old 10-05-2022, 04:57 PM   #80
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There’s going to be a Whole lot of ground shrinkage and a lot of dead feral cats.
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Old 10-05-2022, 09:45 PM   #81
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agreed. Never understood why it was nongame anyway. There's a season for them in every other state that allows hunting them.
How much public land is in Texas? How many NF and state biologists do we have per game unit? How many of those states wildlife management decisions are made via general population ballot biology.

TX has the correct ML management plan in play, it’s called land owner tolerance or not.

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Old 10-05-2022, 09:50 PM   #82
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Really? I am an old hunter and only seen 4. (Mom and two cubs 45 years ago)
Lots more hunters, traffic snd cameras now. And it is still rare to know someone who recently saw one.
Where do you hunt?
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