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Old 09-28-2022, 09:00 PM   #1
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Anyone that has experienced the Stand By Hunt Process at any of the Draw Hunts could you explain how you were picked? Did they put names in a hat, did you Draw Straws or Cards or did the Hunt Director decide on his own who got picked. Just wondered if you thought it was a fair process and if each person had a fair opportunity for selection!!
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Old 09-28-2022, 10:06 PM   #2
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I have only ever done the standby for duck hunts and yes they are very fair to me. Take everyone’s name and info and give them a number of a ball. Put the ball in a bucket and at the cut off time someone will draw out of the bucket. I personal have been picked 4 times on standby out of probably 10 try’s. Odds depend on how many’s spots are open and how many show up for standby. I personal would be there early and get a low ball but that’s me
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Old 09-28-2022, 10:22 PM   #3
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Some are more fair than others, they can draw names but call whomever they want. I've heard of some places where the same locals get "picked" every time and nobody else seems to draw. IME they're all a little different process but I have no reason to believe anything's been unfair.
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Old 09-28-2022, 10:39 PM   #4
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The only one where I went where they had to draw was back when you filled out the application and mailed it in, it was the same form they used for stand by. Then they folded them up and put in a bucket (I think) and drew out what they needed to fill spots.
About 3 years ago, I drew the Chap. They basically did the same thing there.
Your best bet for stand by is get yourself and 3 more on the same card instead of 4 separate cards.
The other hunts that I went in for stand by, I got to hunt being that I was the only one there. One time they only had 2 spots and there were 3 of us. They decided to open up a spot they wasnít planning on hunting and let us all in.
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Old 09-29-2022, 09:36 AM   #5
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I went standby once and it was so hot and miserable hardly any of the regular hunters showed up so everyone on standby got to hunt. But it has always been name in a hat at others. I think it is fair and I don't think there's a bunch of dishonest guys working for TPWD all over the state running questionable hunt and standby drawings. Some of the local standys I've talked to at hunts show up for the standby drawing every time there's a hunt so the odds are they do get drawn more often based on the number of times they try.

Some people have to have conspiracy theories for everything it seems. Same ones that don't understand the math behind the draw hunts and always complain about those drawings are the ones that are the loudest about unfair standby drawings.
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Old 09-29-2022, 10:08 AM   #6
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The Matador standby hunters all got in last year. There were probably like 5-6. Seemed like the office needed to take into account how many drawn hunters there were, how many didn't show, how many standby hunters there were and made a game time decision from there. The hunt was archery only in October last year but seemed like anyone standby there would have a pretty good chance. But I don't know.
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Old 09-29-2022, 11:46 AM   #7
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Expect to go home on popular hunts and you won't be disappointed. Best system I've seen was applications folded put in a can. Random person in the crowd drew first card. The winners drew the next. Applications were up to four people. Cards were drawn until Standby number was filled or exceeded. Example 10 standbys available. First three applications were 9 people total. Next draw whether 1, 2, 3 or 4 get to hunt. Some hunts buddying up on an application helps draw odds especially if there are no assigned compartments/units. Some people don't want to share a unit and won't buddy up on an application to increase the odds of being drawn. That is fine.
Last thing about the Warden's buddies being drawn. Many of the people that show up for these hunts have been doing this for many years and have met the staff and know them of a first name basis along with other hunters from past drawings and hunts. For a new person to standby hunts to see one of these groups drawn, it would look like favorites or local buddies are being drawn. Or it might be a cousin or BIL.

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Old 09-29-2022, 12:49 PM   #8
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I went standby once and it was so hot and miserable hardly any of the regular hunters showed up so everyone on standby got to hunt. But it has always been name in a hat at others. I think it is fair and I don't think there's a bunch of dishonest guys working for TPWD all over the state running questionable hunt and standby drawings. Some of the local standys I've talked to at hunts show up for the standby drawing every time there's a hunt so the odds are they do get drawn more often based on the number of times they try.

Some people have to have conspiracy theories for everything it seems. Same ones that don't understand the math behind the draw hunts and always complain about those drawings are the ones that are the loudest about unfair standby drawings.

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Old 09-29-2022, 02:38 PM   #9
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Every time I've watched or been in the drawing it has just been names in a hat and most times they let a kid draw the names if there are any there.
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Old 09-29-2022, 05:21 PM   #10
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The draws I have been to have been fair. Names on cards, cards into a bucket, a drawn hunter or kid from the crowd draws the cards out.
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Old 09-29-2022, 10:33 PM   #11
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I went to a what seemed like a very questionable draw once, not sure of the staff was paying attention to the numbers game being played, it got called out by someone. The next stand by at same place they changed how did it, then it was totally fair.


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Old 09-29-2022, 11:59 PM   #12
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It helps to know the staff. I was drawn on a hunt which claimed to have no stand-by positions. Someone local showed up and was known by the staff. Well, since you're the only stand-by you can hunt.
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:48 AM   #13
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We know the staff at Gus, RC and Big Lake very well and I can guarantee we do not have any advantage over anyone else in the standby drawings.
Dad has been hunting Gus since it opened (1968?)

Staff at some of the other WMAs might be shady (I highly doubt it) but the ones at the above are fair and honest
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Old 09-30-2022, 03:40 PM   #14
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It has been fair for me on multple occasions. One time everybody put their names on a small piece of paper and I put mine first in the bowl and the guy barely moved the bowl around so my flat piece of paper was sitting on bottom and I did not get picked. I suggest crumbling up the paper into a ball if this situation happens again.
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Old 10-01-2022, 09:24 PM   #15
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Assuming that you get picked for a Stand By Position, What type payment will the Area Manager accept for your hunt? Check, Cash or Credit/Debit Card?
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Old 10-01-2022, 09:53 PM   #16
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Don't go to any standbys your wasting your time. They will not accept cash.
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Old 10-01-2022, 09:56 PM   #17
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I went to a what seemed like a very questionable draw once, not sure of the staff was paying attention to the numbers game being played, it got called out by someone. The next stand by at same place they changed how did it, then it was totally fair.


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It happens, seen it at Richland creek more than once.
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Old 10-01-2022, 11:06 PM   #18
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Assuming that you get picked for a Stand By Position, What type payment will the Area Manager accept for your hunt? Check, Cash or Credit/Debit Card?
I think itís CC. When I drew Devils River, they wouldnít do any stand by. They said they couldnít accept cash and had no way to run a credit card. Which is sad because on that hunt, only 5 people had paid for the permit. This was before they started the 2nd draw process.
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Old 10-02-2022, 03:40 AM   #19
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I think itís CC. When I drew Devils River, they wouldnít do any stand by. They said they couldnít accept cash and had no way to run a credit card. Which is sad because on that hunt, only 5 people had paid for the permit. This was before they started the 2nd draw process.
I will call a few of the WMA's and ask ahead of time. If they had no way to accept payment, they should have let you hunt for free!!!
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Old 10-02-2022, 03:43 AM   #20
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Don't go to any standbys your wasting your time. They will not accept cash.
Sarchasm alert! LOL
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Old 10-02-2022, 09:27 AM   #21
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I will call a few of the WMA's and ask ahead of time. If they had no way to accept payment, they should have let you hunt for free!!!
Well, I had already paid for my permit.
I also hunted Fort Boggy 3 times as a stand by. I donít remember how I paid the first 2 times but I know on the 3rd time it was with CC. That was when the check in station had a new facility.
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Old 10-02-2022, 08:01 PM   #22
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We know the staff at Gus, RC and Big Lake very well and I can guarantee we do not have any advantage over anyone else in the standby drawings.
Dad has been hunting Gus since it opened (1968?)

Staff at some of the other WMAs might be shady (I highly doubt it) but the ones at the above are fair and honest
I agree. Kyle assigns a number, you watch that numbered ping pong ball go in the bucket. A random drawn hunter picks the first ball. It's shown to the standbys and that hunter picks the next one. You know how any spots are avaliable before the draw starts.

The only issue I had was some came from the early draw at RC and made the BLB draw. I don't think there's a rule against it. Kyle told them if they made it by the cutoff they could draw. I'm not really upset about it but RC should have had their draw the same time as BLB. I see both sides. If I didn't draw one place why shouldn't I be able to put in at another. What if they were a day apart? Why would that change things from same day. The other side would be we need to maximize the chances for someone to draw and if there on the same day pick one and see how it goes.

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Old 10-02-2022, 09:37 PM   #23
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I've seen them look around at the folks who showed up, look at their board and said we all hunt. Or all the kids hunt.

I've seen the folks at Chap(previous management) crunch up all the cards and put them in the bucket & shake the fool out of it. About as random as you can get.

I've seen folks put them in buckets flat and they shake it a little and pick from the top.

It is all relative & is what it is. I am happy that some places still have physical stand by spots.

Next year I will be retired and goto ALL of them .
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Old 10-08-2022, 08:41 AM   #24
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I was talking to dad about this thread Thursday

He said he remembered at one hunt they used marbles of different colors
Said if there were 5 spots and 25 trying to get them they would put 5 marbles of one color and 20 of another.
Each person reached in and drew a marble. Ones with the right color got to hunt
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