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Old 01-04-2019, 12:12 PM   #1
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Wood arrows are expensive even for the "entry level" ones on 3Rivers.
But if one chooses poorly the cost is a whole lot more. That said I need some input so I can make an informed purchase decision.
Basically I'm looking only to buy arrows to shoot at TBOT shoots. Of course practice for those as well. I'm not looking for precision use although reliable consistency is needed. I have no intention of tooling up for straightening, precision tapering and all of the stuff that goes with it. I currently don't have the space for all of that.
So can I get set up fairly simply to do this or is it more to do that than I am willing to put into it?

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Old 01-04-2019, 12:23 PM   #2
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Contact an arrow smith which there are several. Plan to pay between 120-150 a dozen which is similar to carbons. Donít scrimp on arrows they are the most important part of your setup


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Old 01-04-2019, 02:00 PM   #3
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call 3 rivers tell them your set up they are easy o work with they will cut taper or even mount heads if you want
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All Wood arrows 608-501-5913 or google em
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So can I tell 3Rivers or an arrow smith was I'm shooting and expect them to cut to the proper length and spine arrows that will work?

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A good arrowsmith can come really close. My last set was built by JEFFRO, I just gave him all the info and he came up with the right combo. They fly perfectly.
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:28 PM   #7
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Yeah I e spoken with him briefly once. Don't do the book of faces though.

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lost nation makes a great wood arrow
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:56 PM   #9
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I would make sure to get arrows with the tapered rear 9" or so. They just fly and tune so much better.
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Old 01-05-2019, 06:11 AM   #10
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I would make sure to get arrows with the tapered rear 9" or so. They just fly and tune so much better.
Trimming and turning isn't part of the equation. Like I said I'm not set up to do that so if it's not a situation I can just buy and shoot I probably won't.

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Old 01-05-2019, 03:01 PM   #11
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Gary, try contacting Carson at Surewood Arrow Shafts. Tell him the draw weight of your bow , what your actual draw length is , what grain points you will use, and how long you want your shaft to be . He is very knowledgeable and will hook you up. If you want give me a call at+13616883086.
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Old 01-05-2019, 03:19 PM   #12
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you can use the wood arrow chart 3 rivers has and pick your spine, length and draw weight. if in between go stiffer you can always add broad head weight
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Old 01-05-2019, 07:20 PM   #13
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Trimming and tapering is super simple, cheap, and may be needed to achieve proper tune!
Don’t let it intimidate you. Buy from a reputable dealer and they will get you close.
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It's not about being intimidated. It's about space and investment. I shoot carbon arrows for the most part. I have an arrow saw and it's useful for both traditional and compound use. For friends who need arrows worked as well. I've always had a fletching jig as well.
I don't intend to hunt with wooden arrows. They wood just be for shoots only. (See what I did there?)
Messing with trimming, head weight and so on just isn't worth it to me at this time. If it takes all that I understand and can make the informed decision to pass on it for now.
I believe I can shoot a recurve open and longbow open class with carbon arrows and get a couple rounds in that way and not mess with it right now if that is what it takes.
Maybe when the spare room is actually mine to use for such things and not a store room for grandkid toys, teacher clutter and a young second lieutenant's stuff he can't carry with him from school to school then I can branch out some and have a little more room to work and store my stuff.

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Old 01-05-2019, 09:19 PM   #15
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Gary, If you REALLY want perfect flight, wood is a tinkering process. BUT that being typed, you can get good shooting woods without all the mess. As stated above. Contact a real arrow smith. Give them your specs, and most likely they will send you a product you will want more of. In the words of my Yankee friends, "Wood is Good, and has a soul."
Let me know if you get serious and I will find out what a friend of mine is getting on a dozen now.
Side note to this conversation. There are LOTS of woods which make very nice heavy hunting arrows, but jut daily shooters a solid set of POC is hard to beat.
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Old 01-06-2019, 06:02 AM   #16
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Lol. Okay thanx. I will just contact an arrow smith and go from there. Thanx all.

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Old 01-07-2019, 08:42 AM   #17
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Lot of great arrow suppliers out there. They all will cut to your length and taper both the nock and point end. I would buy some tapered shafts and they will fly pretty close to your carbons. By tapered I mean tapered at nock end for about 10 inches or so with the nock taper ground on.
125 gr points and almost any arrow will work for you.
You need to know how long your arrow is from back of the point to the nock throat. A good arrowsmith can help with the right spine based on the type of bow you shoot.
Check out Raptor Archery or google wood arrow shafts for good companies to order from.
You can get some nice lightweight softwoods for shoots, port orford cedar, doug fir , spruce all shoot very well.
Never paid anywhere close to $ 120 /dozen for plain wood shafts. That sounds like a footed shaft price to me.
Good arrow smith will spine and weight match your shafts and they should be straight if you buy good quality ones.
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Old 01-07-2019, 10:46 AM   #18
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Here is how to do it, and save some money, without much effort and basically no setup:

1 Use a spine chart and buy shafts from 3 rivers or nocking point, NOT EBAY.

2 Can be cut with a hacksaw, probably no investment there

3 Pencil sharpener type taper tool, a few bucks

4 100 and 125 grain tips for tuning

5 Simple wipe on or spray poly

6 Glue tips,feathers, nocks and such as usual

7 done
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Old 01-07-2019, 10:49 AM   #19
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So all you use on wood arrows is light heads?

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Old 01-07-2019, 10:58 AM   #20
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So all you use on wood arrows is light heads?

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Itís no different than carbons, except with less options. You use the head weight that creates the correct tune. I canít figure them out. The only time I shoot wood arrows is for 3D, so I donít care about them all that much, and after many fruitless hrs of trying to tune them, have given up!! I just get one that I think flies halfway decent and go with that. And it shows most of the times in my scores!!!

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Old 01-07-2019, 11:02 AM   #21
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So all you use on wood arrows is light heads?

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Pretty much, wood is heavy. Front loading really came about with carbons. I don't know if Bear razor heads were made in any weights over 125-150, but someone on here can correct me on that i am sure. You could always buy heaver/lighter tips if you wanted, but 125ish seems about the standard to me
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Interesting.

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Old 01-07-2019, 01:02 PM   #23
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I would suggest talking to Jeffro at 10 Again Arrows. He can not only suggest actual spine, length, and point weight that will work, but will make closely matched arrows that will shoot like you want them to in tournaments. They ain't cheap, but if you just use them at TBOT shoots, they will cost a lot less than the gas you burn going to very many shoots.
Larger places like 3-Rivers (I love them) just can't produce as precise a product as Jeff can.
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Old 01-07-2019, 02:06 PM   #24
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He was at Cowtown last year so I'll see him there if he comes again.

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Old 01-07-2019, 02:12 PM   #25
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If you'll get your shafts from someone who makes finished arrows you will find better products to choose from. They will weigh and spine each shaft so they match.
Wapiti Archery has pre finished shafts for sale you can fletch and install points yourself.They also sell test kits of finished arrows or shafts.

We shoot only 125 gr fixed blade broadheads on our wooden shafts. I shoot footed shafts and the spouse shoots Spruce or doug fir. The 125 gr heads have taken bull elk, bull moose, deer and antelope. Most with a complete pass through.
Cedar are easiest to determine if they are cracked due to smell, doug fir and spruce seem to be more durable for us. My footed shafts are bombproof it seems.
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Broadheads aren't a concern. I will want to buy finished shafts and I can refletch down the road as needed.

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Old 01-07-2019, 04:24 PM   #27
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Broadheads aren't a concern. I will want to buy finished shafts and I can refletch down the road as needed.

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You probably wonít have to worry about trying to reflect them (which is a PITA, btw)! Theyíll most likely be broken before they need to be refletched!!!

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Old 01-07-2019, 04:40 PM   #28
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Oh sh1t!

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Gary, you have a PM.

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Old 01-07-2019, 07:24 PM   #31
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Unfortunately Bisch is telling the truth. Only a couple of cedars have had the need for new Fletchings. The rest break before they get to that old. I have a few cedars that look rather mangy at the moment, but they still fly so good I hate to remove what works.
I also have a NICE set of Ash arrows. Heavy and took a little to get more comfortable with them, but they do fly well and like RJH1 Stated, extreme FOC came with Carbon. Some shoot heavier heads now with woods, but ultimate tune can be done with basic 100, 125, or 150 grain field tips. My best hunt came because of a very well tuned Cedar with a 145 Eskimo.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:27 PM   #32
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Awesome. Well I have a plan. Guess we'll see how it works.

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Thanks for asking Gary. Ive been thinking about tuning some for some shoots. I happened upon some woodies and Im gonna loose them. Mr Cody had some at the last AAC TBOT shoot that had aluminum headers (footed?...not sure on verbage)...and said they seemed a bit more durable when target shooting regularly.

Good luck on the endeavor Senor.
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Soap your woods before shooting every target in 3d. You will lose way fewer tips, and you will be considerably less likely to break one while pulling. Won't help if you miss the target and hit the rocks behind the target though haha
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I have to hit the rocks to save Bisch' toes.

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Old 01-09-2019, 04:07 PM   #36
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A good arrowsmith can come really close. My last set was built by JEFFRO, I just gave him all the info and he came up with the right combo. They fly perfectly.
https://www.facebook.com/JEFFRONEETZ/
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Jeffro can be reached here on TBH. I don't know of anyone who isn't happy with his arrows. Mine fly so true that even Bisch would fall in love with them!!
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gary for what it is worth carbon is obviously more durable easier to tune and we probably all have killed more animals with them. Wood is just romantic. Years ago i ordered some expensive footed spruce shafts that were tapered ( always better) and killed a couple elk and some deer with them but as Bisch says they don't hold up. I got the itch again this year like you and ordered some from 3 rivers cut and Tapered 28 in 50-55 with 125 grain zwickeys and had 3 rivers taper them then i put heads on with epoxy and broadhead spinner and honestly they shoot like darts with my carbons that are much heavier from foc standpoint. all 6 spin perfect. You need thicker serving but i have couple bows that i already have double serving on. My heavier bows dont shoot them well because not enough spine. Also your release needs to be perfect or they can misbehave. I say do it if you are thinking about it. arrow smith can do the same just more expensive. good luck
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Just thinking I could shoot two rounds carbon one day and two rounds wood the next on two day shoots and enjoy more meaningful rounds.

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Talk to Jeffro over in Red Oak. He's part of the Texad State Longbow group that shoot in Fort Worth.
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Jeffro or Wyatt Webb. Both at Longbow Shoot . Vanderpool and Chester. I love Three Rivers for most all products but not wood arrows. Arvin
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