Got A Good One For You

[Dknut]

I got on this lease a couple years ago with a couple friends of mine. They gave me ample warning about the land owner but I decided to move forward with the lease anyhow. Well, they were not exaggerating! Things continue to get worse every year. We've put up with it because we've harvested some pretty nice trophies. Over the years the trophies have dwindled (no coincidence the decline after he got off MLD). This past season the trophy buck were all but gone (only one was harvested).

I understand that the landowners are just that. They own the land and can do what they want with it, but some of this stuff that he's doing makes me think that's he's trying to run us off. Last year he shredded a part of a pasture during our hunt, not but 200 yards away from one of our more popular stand. We confronted him about this and he promised he would get all shredding done before/after deer season in the future. Fast forward to this season. He had been great this year. No confrontations, very pleasant to be around, and seemed like a new man. Then December came. In the middle of the rut we get a report from a lease member that he is pushing up and burning brush piles within 200 yards of his stand. A couple weeks later he shreds and plows a pasture, literally 50 yards past one of our feeders. I have pictures on my game cam of him driving past our feeders after 4:30PM. He waits till 3:00 every day to go out and feed his cattle and have even run into him at my blind as he was driving through the hunting pasture (no reason for him to be passing through there).
When confronted about this he gets defensive and will redirect with some silly complaint (like a shotgun shell he found on the ground in camp).

As a land owner in prime whitetail country you'd think he would be doing everything he could to promote a good hunting environment. The bigger his herd gets, the more in demand his lease would get. To me he seems to be doing everything he can to run his bucks into hiding and doesn't want them shot.

Everyone is more than likely leaving the lease this year due to the issues with the owner. It sucks, I really enjoy having a place to take my kids and have an opportunity to harvest a nice buck.

Anyone else have experiences with a landowner similar to this?

[Bayouboy]

Well, I leased a place in Groveton near Davey Crockett for 3 years from a guy who supposedly owned it. Needless to say he did not own it

I put a lot of work into the place until I found that out and left.

[ramrod]

So your saying there is an opening? :-)

[muzzlebrake]

I've been told that farming and ranching goes on 365 days a year and don't stop for a deer season. Lease money is bonus mailbox money to the landowners. If they depended solely on lease money then they in the wrong bidnez. Gonna be hard to find a place that don't have livestock or crops growing that need to be tended to year around unless it's some real small acreage somewhere.

[WItoTX]

Volunteer your time to get the tasks he is doing during deer hunting hours, next to your stand, done at more conducive times, and explain why you want to help.

If he says no, I think you know why, and make your decision from there.

[bowhunterhelm]

I have an exceptional land owner but our place is a working cattle ranch first and a deer lease second. If cows need to be moved or fed etc, they will be tended to first. Hasn't been much of a problem, the deer on our lease are pretty stupid as far as deer go. They see him and his trucks etc in the pastures every day and are used to it. Him working cattle doesn't seem to bother the hunting.

[Bucknaked]

It stinks but you were warned before you got on it !

[Dknut]

Originally Posted by muzzlebrake

I've been told that farming and ranching goes on 365 days a year and don't stop for a deer season. Lease money is bonus mailbox money to the landowners. If they depended solely on lease money then they in the wrong bidnez. Gonna be hard to find a place that don't have livestock or crops growing that need to be tended to year around unless it's some real small acreage somewhere.

There aren't any crops and about 80 head of cattle. I understand the work needed for cattle, but not shredding new senderos (when there are already plenty).

[RiverRat1]

Why would big bucks disappear just because he drops MLD?

Deer are not that bothered by ranchers burning brush and shredding. Ranchers can only burn when burn bans are lifted. Now if he walks up and lights a fire on a Saturday morning with a guy in the blind LOL

[Dknut]

Originally Posted by WItoTX

Volunteer your time to get the tasks he is doing during deer hunting hours, next to your stand, done at more conducive times, and explain why you want to help.

If he says no, I think you know why, and make your decision from there.

Yeah, we've done this. We shredded in years past in all our hunting areas and even areas he asked us to do. This work he was doing in December was new senderos not associated with hunting areas. Just random.

And he's not short on time. He has a ranch hand that he constantly struggles finding things for him to do, that's why it's extremely annoying that hunting season is when he has him shredding. Why not have him shred in September when he is looking for work?

Just doesn't make sense.

[coker737]

Leased Land in Erath County many year back. Oil and Gas companies were hitting up land owners big time. A week before opening day Gun season the owner let oil and gas in to do some THUMPING. How I found out was opening morning heading to our stands we see cords and sending boxes everywhere.

No one saw anything that morning. We confronted the landowner, and that’s when he informed us that they had machinery that was thumping the ground looking for oil and gas a few days ago. Needless to say we didn’t see any deer for at least a month. We were very disappointed.

[Dknut]

Originally Posted by RiverRat1

Why would big bucks disappear just because he drops MLD?

Deer are not that bothered by ranchers burning brush and shredding. Ranchers can only burn when burn bans are lifted. Now if he walks up and lights a fire on a Saturday morning with a guy in the blind LOL

I don't think they are disappearing because he dropped MLD. In the few years this place has been removed from MLD the amount of trash walking around has increased significantly. We are taking out the trash by what the lease allows us to but it's not enough to keep up. We're harvesting 5 culls when we should be harvesting 20. When we were on MLD we'd be allowed to harvest 15-20 trash bucks per season. Now that we're off, the trash is taking over.

As for the burning brush piles. I'd have to disagree. Deer are bothered by smoking piles of brush. What was once one of the most deer populated stand was desolate when he started burning the brush piles. And yes, the brush piles were still smoldering/smoking during the hunt.

[Smokeater]

Prolly has someone else wanting to lease it or thinks/knows he can get more money if y'all get mad and leave. Y'all have a contract?

We have cattle on our place too but he don't feed or do bs like that till after 10:00. If he see's our truck parked somewhere he goes and feeds somewhere else. Yeah, farming/ranching goes on year round but they don't have to be chickenscat about things.

[Smart]

Originally Posted by bowhunterhelm

I have an exceptional land owner but our place is a working cattle ranch first and a deer lease second. If cows need to be moved or fed etc, they will be tended to first. Hasn't been much of a problem, the deer on our lease are pretty stupid as far as deer go. They see him and his trucks etc in the pastures every day and are used to it. Him working cattle doesn't seem to bother the hunting.

Same here....Cows first....Hunters somewhere down the line. Our landowner is very friendly and courteous but if something needs to be done at that specific time, it needs to be done no matter who is on stand. Chalk it up and move on to the next day or weekend.

And agree with the mailbox money analogy. I try to keep that in mind when something interrupts my hunt.

[Drycreek3189]

Originally Posted by Dknut

I got on this lease a couple years ago with a couple friends of mine. They gave me ample warning about the land owner but I decided to move forward with the lease anyhow. Well, they were not exaggerating! Things continue to get worse every year. We've put up with it because we've harvested some pretty nice trophies. Over the years the trophies have dwindled (no coincidence the decline after he got off MLD). This past season the trophy buck were all but gone (only one was harvested).

I understand that the landowners are just that. They own the land and can do what they want with it, but some of this stuff that he's doing makes me think that's he's trying to run us off. Last year he shredded a part of a pasture during our hunt, not but 200 yards away from one of our more popular stand. We confronted him about this and he promised he would get all shredding done before/after deer season in the future. Fast forward to this season. He had been great this year. No confrontations, very pleasant to be around, and seemed like a new man. Then December came. In the middle of the rut we get a report from a lease member that he is pushing up and burning brush piles within 200 yards of his stand. A couple weeks later he shreds and plows a pasture, literally 50 yards past one of our feeders. I have pictures on my game cam of him driving past our feeders after 4:30PM. He waits till 3:00 every day to go out and feed his cattle and have even run into him at my blind as he was driving through the hunting pasture (no reason for him to be passing through there).
When confronted about this he gets defensive and will redirect with some silly complaint (like a shotgun shell he found on the ground in camp).

As a land owner in prime whitetail country you'd think he would be doing everything he could to promote a good hunting environment. The bigger his herd gets, the more in demand his lease would get. To me he seems to be doing everything he can to run his bucks into hiding and doesn't want them shot.

Everyone is more than likely leaving the lease this year due to the issues with the owner. It sucks, I really enjoy having a place to take my kids and have an opportunity to harvest a nice buck.

Anyone else have experiences with a landowner similar to this?

Yep. I had a 1,406 acre lease near Ballinger, very few really good bucks, but a ton of deer and always a chance for a mid 30s buck to be taken. Plenty of turkeys, quail if it rained enough. My landowner, who was a great guy, died in the spring of year 5, and his wife took over.

The first couple years were ok, then I think she began to get advice from others and began implementing rules. No moving stands, no travel trailers, watch how much water we used, feeding cows at peak hunting times, and raising the price every 3/4 years. By the time I had been there 18 years the drive was getting long and she was wearing on me. She then wanted to go up on the price again and I told her I was gonna leave because I had bought a place close to home to hunt. She offered the lease without the raise, I declined, and she literally cried. I knew a guy who wanted the lease and I sold him the stands and feeder pens, and the lease truck, traded the cabin I had built for future turkey hunting, gathered up our personal stuff and the feeders, and came home.

The guy that took it stayed five years, and the straw that broke his particular camel’s back was when she had a hoe and a dozer clearing a cross fence line on opening day of general season. That ended my turkey hunting………I miss it a little.

[Dknut]

Originally Posted by Smokeater

Prolly has someone else wanting to lease it or thinks/knows he can get more money if y'all get mad and leave. Y'all have a contract?

We have cattle on our place too but he don't feed or do bs like that till after 10:00. If he see's our truck parked somewhere he goes and feeds somewhere else. Yeah, farming/ranching goes on year round but they don't have to be chickenscat about things.

Yeah, we have a contract in place for the next few years.

I honestly don't mind him feeding his cows. It's the shredding/plowing/burning brush piles in the middle of rut that has got everyone ticked off.

Plus the neighbors have told us repeatedly that they watch the place during the week and notice no work is done in the hunting pasture during the week. They have told us that the second we show up, they get on their equipment and head out into the pasture.

I firmly believe he likes our money but doesn't want us shooting his deer.

[Death from Above]

If a LO is taking your money, there needs to be a curtesy. You are not doing them a favor, you are making a business transaction.

I am fortunate to have had some great LO in the past.

[SaintBlaise]

We lost a lease that was held by our group for 55 years. The only thing that we could come up with for the reason was something during a late Summer work weekend. A trapper had traps out for coyotes, but instead had 2 goats caught in the metal traps. So, about 6 guys went over to them and did what they could to free the goats. Well, a few weeks later the landowner blew a gasket on the lease boss...seems like the trapper was upset because he couldn't find two $5 traps. At the end of the season the lease boss met with the LO to formally hand the lease off to another member, he declined to renew the lease.

[The4Cs]

Sounds to me like he’s selling hunts when you’re not around! He gets your lease money, then sells “ package hunts” during the week. Double the money! That would explain why he does everything he can to keep the mature bucks alive while you’re hunting for them. That or he owns adjacent land he hunts on or sells package hunts on. Y’all pay for the protein and raise good deer so he can sell them on his other ranch?


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[Dknut]

Originally Posted by The4Cs

Sounds to me like he’s selling hunts when you’re not around! He gets your lease money, then sells “ package hunts” during the week. Double the money! That would explain why he does everything he can to keep the mature bucks alive while you’re hunting for them. That or he owns adjacent land he hunts on or sells package hunts on. Y’all pay for the protein and raise good deer so he can sell them on his other ranch?


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The topic of 'Day Hunts' have definitely come up in camp conversations!

[tpack]

I`ve had similar problems. Landowners should know that they are going to mess up hunters when they some of the things listed above. We had a landowner bull doze the thickest part of our lease (200 acres) the 2nd week of the season. I never saw a buck that season and left after the season without telling landowner. When someone takes your money for deer hunting, they should try and work with the hunters when it comes to shredding, burning brush and such. Tending cows is a different story and is 365 days a year, most hunters probably understand that as well. We have a great landowner where we hunt now and feel blessed.

[tgil]

I was walking to my tripod one year for a morning hunt. I got to noticing things had changed. That week they had dozed for a new fencline. My tripod just happened to be in the treeline they took out.
Not a phonecall "hey, sorry we didn't see it" or anything. Just moved the bent mess over to the side.
He knows if he can run you off, he will make more off of the next group.

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[Snowflake Killa]

Do lease from a paper company

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[Spearchunker]

I feel your pain.

I had an extremely miserable experience on the Chainey Mountain Ranch in Childress. As soon as the check cleared he was an absolute nut job of an alcoholic butz wipe.. He ruined lease life for me. Never again will I lease. Either own it or hit public. Best of luck. We spend too much money to have a crappie time.

[Snowflake Killa]

Don't

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[W E H]

i went to my blind before the season to get it ready a few years after i got on my lease. and noticed that the oil company had thoughtfully moved it about 50 yards from where i had it. because they were drilling a new well where it was and were making the pad. not much i could do. been on the lease for 30 years. great friends with the land owner and we have a great time together.

[RifleBowPistol]

Originally Posted by Dknut

I got on this lease a couple years ago with a couple friends of mine. They gave me ample warning about the land owner but I decided to move forward with the lease anyhow. Well, they were not exaggerating! Things continue to get worse every year. We've put up with it because we've harvested some pretty nice trophies. Over the years the trophies have dwindled (no coincidence the decline after he got off MLD). This past season the trophy buck were all but gone (only one was harvested).

I understand that the landowners are just that. They own the land and can do what they want with it, but some of this stuff that he's doing makes me think that's he's trying to run us off. Last year he shredded a part of a pasture during our hunt, not but 200 yards away from one of our more popular stand. We confronted him about this and he promised he would get all shredding done before/after deer season in the future. Fast forward to this season. He had been great this year. No confrontations, very pleasant to be around, and seemed like a new man. Then December came. In the middle of the rut we get a report from a lease member that he is pushing up and burning brush piles within 200 yards of his stand. A couple weeks later he shreds and plows a pasture, literally 50 yards past one of our feeders. I have pictures on my game cam of him driving past our feeders after 4:30PM. He waits till 3:00 every day to go out and feed his cattle and have even run into him at my blind as he was driving through the hunting pasture (no reason for him to be passing through there).
When confronted about this he gets defensive and will redirect with some silly complaint (like a shotgun shell he found on the ground in camp).

As a land owner in prime whitetail country you'd think he would be doing everything he could to promote a good hunting environment. The bigger his herd gets, the more in demand his lease would get. To me he seems to be doing everything he can to run his bucks into hiding and doesn't want them shot.

Everyone is more than likely leaving the lease this year due to the issues with the owner. It sucks, I really enjoy having a place to take my kids and have an opportunity to harvest a nice buck.

Anyone else have experiences with a landowner similar to this?

You are very likely looking at things wrong, meaning you probably don't understand why he does what he does. If he is truly an old rancher, he really does not care much about growing big deer. But he will understand that some guys get a bit crazy over big deer, but most likely does not realize how obsessed some guys get about trying to kill big deer.

There is a strong chance he is just working his property like he always has. Probably some years ago some other land owner told him he could make extra money every year leasing his property out to hunters. So he started leasing it at some point. If he stared leasing it 30 years ago or so, the people he was leasing to, were not going to be so obsessive about growing and killing big deer. He and those hunters would have been more on the same line of thinking. He probably still thinks the same way, but many hunters are quite obsessed with growing and then shooting big deer. He probably don't give a rat's *** about all that nonsense, all he wants is that big chunk of extra money each year.

Then again it's his property and he likely has worked his land all by himself or mostly by himself most of his life and ran his ranch how he wants to run it. He is probably much more worried about making sure his cattle are healthy than, that the guys leasing his land have big deer to shoot at.

I grew up around ranching, grew up around many ranchers. I remember hearing them talk between themselves about the crazy money that hunters would pay to lease their land to hunt on, back 30 plus years ago, back when you could lease land cheaply.

I knew ranchers, who started out as ranchers and still were ranchers, but at some point, oil companies started drilling for oil, and they went from barely getting by. To being very well off. But they would still spend most of their time working their cattle and running their properties as cattle ranches, that's the life the knew, that's just what they do, even once they are making more money than they know how to spend.

I would bet he greatly enjoys working on his ranch by himself. Probably does not like like people out running around on his property, acting like his property belongs to them, then telling him, they don't like what, he does, or how and when he does things, and that he should change when, and or how he does things. Old people and more so old ranchers don't like people telling them they should change how and when they have been doing things for most of their life. Remember you are a guest on his property and his way of life. You should try to fit into his world and not try to tell him, he should change how he has been doing things probably since before you were born.

[asu-indian]

Put me in line if someone leaves.

[lovemylegacy]

Originally Posted by RifleBowPistol

You are very likely looking at things wrong, meaning you probably don't understand why he does what he does. If he is truly an old rancher, he really does not care much about growing big deer. But he will understand that some guys get a bit crazy over big deer, but most likely does not realize how obsessed some guys get about trying to kill big deer.

There is a strong chance he is just working his property like he always has. Probably some years ago some other land owner told him he could make extra money every year leasing his property out to hunters. So he started leasing it at some point. If he stared leasing it 30 years ago or so, the people he was leasing to, were not going to be so obsessive about growing and killing big deer. He and those hunters would have been more on the same line of thinking. He probably still thinks the same way, but many hunters are quite obsessed with growing and then shooting big deer. He probably don't give a rat's *** about all that nonsense, all he wants is that big chunk of extra money each year.

Then again it's his property and he likely has worked his land all by himself or mostly by himself most of his life and ran his ranch how he wants to run it. He is probably much more worried about making sure his cattle are healthy than, that the guys leasing his land have big deer to shoot at.

I grew up around ranching, grew up around many ranchers. I remember hearing them talk between themselves about the crazy money that hunters would pay to lease their land to hunt on, back 30 plus years ago, back when you could lease land cheaply.

I knew ranchers, who started out as ranchers and still were ranchers, but at some point, oil companies started drilling for oil, and they went from barely getting by. To being very well off. But they would still spend most of their time working their cattle and running their properties as cattle ranches, that's the life the knew, that's just what they do, even once they are making more money than they know how to spend.

I would bet he greatly enjoys working on his ranch by himself. Probably does not like like people out running around on his property, acting like his property belongs to them, then telling him, they don't like what, he does, or how and when he does things, and that he should change when, and or how he does things. Old people and more so old ranchers don't like people telling them they should change how and when they have been doing things for most of their life. Remember you are a guest on his property and his way of life. You should try to fit into his world and not try to tell him, he should change how he has been doing things probably since before you were born.

Very good description.

[Hills of Texas]

Ranch work happens everyday 365 days a year. Just another day for the animals that live there.

[tpack]

Originally Posted by RifleBowPistol

I would bet he greatly enjoys working on his ranch by himself. Probably does not like like people out running around on his property, acting like his property belongs to them, then telling him, they don't like what, he does, or how and when he does things, and that he should change when, and or how he does things. Old people and more so old ranchers don't like people telling them they should change how and when they have been doing things for most of their life. Remember you are a guest on his property and his way of life. You should try to fit into his world and not try to tell him, he should change how he has been doing things probably since before you were born.

I agree with some of what you said. But when the landowner takes your money and cashes that check, he just gave you permission to be on his property for a price. Not really a guest at that point in my opinion. If a landowner isn`t willing to try and not ruin or interrupt hunts from hunters who have taken time off from work and drove lots of mile they shouldn`t take the money. Things are going to happen from time to time and that just goes with leasing land to hunt on but there are landowners who just want to take your money and then they don`t want you on it. I`ve been on one like that so I know that it happens. I had a landowner drive between me and my feeder in his truck with his friend @ 5pm with guns sticking out the window.

[Dknut]

Originally Posted by RifleBowPistol

You are very likely looking at things wrong, meaning you probably don't understand why he does what he does. If he is truly an old rancher, he really does not care much about growing big deer. But he will understand that some guys get a bit crazy over big deer, but most likely does not realize how obsessed some guys get about trying to kill big deer.

There is a strong chance he is just working his property like he always has. Probably some years ago some other land owner told him he could make extra money every year leasing his property out to hunters. So he started leasing it at some point. If he stared leasing it 30 years ago or so, the people he was leasing to, were not going to be so obsessive about growing and killing big deer. He and those hunters would have been more on the same line of thinking. He probably still thinks the same way, but many hunters are quite obsessed with growing and then shooting big deer. He probably don't give a rat's *** about all that nonsense, all he wants is that big chunk of extra money each year.

Then again it's his property and he likely has worked his land all by himself or mostly by himself most of his life and ran his ranch how he wants to run it. He is probably much more worried about making sure his cattle are healthy than, that the guys leasing his land have big deer to shoot at.

I grew up around ranching, grew up around many ranchers. I remember hearing them talk between themselves about the crazy money that hunters would pay to lease their land to hunt on, back 30 plus years ago, back when you could lease land cheaply.

I knew ranchers, who started out as ranchers and still were ranchers, but at some point, oil companies started drilling for oil, and they went from barely getting by. To being very well off. But they would still spend most of their time working their cattle and running their properties as cattle ranches, that's the life the knew, that's just what they do, even once they are making more money than they know how to spend.

I would bet he greatly enjoys working on his ranch by himself. Probably does not like like people out running around on his property, acting like his property belongs to them, then telling him, they don't like what, he does, or how and when he does things, and that he should change when, and or how he does things. Old people and more so old ranchers don't like people telling them they should change how and when they have been doing things for most of their life. Remember you are a guest on his property and his way of life. You should try to fit into his world and not try to tell him, he should change how he has been doing things probably since before you were born.

I'd understand it this were a new thing for him (leasing to deer hunters) but as far as I know he's been doing it for 15 years plus. He runs off a group and has no issues bringing on a new group. He talks like the is the great white hunter but he contradicts his own words every time you turn around. For instance, His lease talks about how important it is for us not to drive the property during rut, but he's out there with a shredder and burning brush piles right in the middle if it.

It just doesn't make sense.

[Dknut]

Originally Posted by asu-indian

Put me in line if someone leaves.

You don't want this... Trust me. There is a reason he's filling spots every single year.

[breederbuck33]

Wait till you get to deal with a LO's son who lives on the property. We had the pleasure of doing that last season. I'm pretty sure he is out there because he is a liability if he is in town. Creepy dude! My wife only went down there 2 times because she was not comfortable at the camp at all. On a side note, I killed my PB and got out of there. lol Lots of fun stuff to talk about from our one year on that place. I'm so sick of the drama, I think I'm ok with doing a Nilgai hunt and fishing more this year. Good places with good LOs are so hard to find. I'm sure good groups of hunters are hard to find too for a good LO.

[Dknut]

Originally Posted by breederbuck33

Wait till you get to deal with a LO's son who lives on the property. We had the pleasure of doing that last season. I'm pretty sure he is out there because he is a liability if he is in town. Creepy dude! My wife only went down there 2 times because she was not comfortable at the camp at all. On a side note, I killed my PB and got out of there. lol Lots of fun stuff to talk about from our one year on that place. I'm so sick of the drama, I think I'm ok with doing a Nilgai hunt and fishing more this year. Good places with good LOs are so hard to find. I'm sure good groups of hunters are hard to find too for a good LO.

You must be hunting in Tilden!


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[Rigging Cooks]

I hunted 800 acres in Kimble County northwest of Junction, and our landowner had helicopter flying over shooting yotes the Friday afternoon before opening day of bow season. Guess how many deer I saw that weekend???

[gtsticker]

Sneak up and hunt during the week. Hunt more early season and late rut. I think LO like this are what drives the package hunt places. No drama just have fun and kill a nice deer and probably less money by far. You could probably do a couple package hunts for else’s than your lease and expense on that place.


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[breederbuck33]

Originally Posted by Dknut

You must be hunting in Tilden!


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Reading through this thread, I think we were neighbors! hahaha

[wdtorque]

Originally Posted by WItoTX

Volunteer your time to get the tasks he is doing during deer hunting hours, next to your stand, done at more conducive times, and explain why you want to help.

If he says no, I think you know why, and make your decision from there.

[Dknut]

Originally Posted by breederbuck33

Reading through this thread, I think we were neighbors! hahaha

Hahaha! Two of the worst LO's sharing a fence line. Go figure.

[breederbuck33]

Originally Posted by Dknut

Hahaha! Two of the worst LO's sharing a fence line. Go figure.

It is a shame too because that area is awesome!

[hog_down]

Originally Posted by Dknut

Plus the neighbors have told us repeatedly that they watch the place during the week and notice no work is done in the hunting pasture during the week. They have told us that the second we show up, they get on their equipment and head out into the pasture.

I firmly believe he likes our money but doesn't want us shooting his deer.

I think this tells you exactly what you need to hear.

[TxxAgg]

You sound like a pain in the ***.

He's doing ranch work.

[Trapper76]

Life is too short to pay for a headache!! Leases are hard to find, but I’d rather not have a place to hunt than deal with those issues.

[S-3 Ranch]

Originally Posted by coker737

Leased Land in Erath County many year back. Oil and Gas companies were hitting up land owners big time. A week before opening day Gun season the owner let oil and gas in to do some THUMPING. How I found out was opening morning heading to our stands we see cords and sending boxes everywhere.

No one saw anything that morning. We confronted the landowner, and that’s when he informed us that they had machinery that was thumping the ground looking for oil and gas a few days ago. Needless to say we didn’t see any deer for at least a month. We were very disappointed.

I’ve had thumper trucks and guys on 4wheelers running lines before
Luckily it was on the bottom 8,000
New wells drilling
Helicopter moving cattle
Not much you can do about it, usually the deer are used to it on a briscoe ranch

[Dknut]

Originally Posted by TxxAgg

You sound like a pain in the ***.

He's doing ranch work.

You pay out around $10,000 a year for a lease and have the LO shred right behind your feeder during rut and you'd be OK with that? You sound like an idiot.

[dgilbert]

Deal with it or move on, nothing said here is going to change nothing.

[tpack]

Originally Posted by TxxAgg

You sound like a pain in the ***.

He's doing ranch work.

Originally Posted by Dknut

You pay out around $10,000 a year for a lease and have the LO shred right behind your feeder during rut and you'd be OK with that? You sound like an idiot.

I wouldn`t be OK with it at all. Must have hit a nerve or close to home with TxxAgg. Some landowners are just ****** bags and use the farming excuse to screw up the hunting. Once they get your money you see their real personality. I`ve had both types of landowners over the past 30 years of leasing. There not going to change. Best thing to do is fill as many tags as you can and get your stuff off asap after the end of the season.