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#1 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Sep 2020
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#2 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Onalaska
Hunt In: Bermuda Triangle
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Landowner's right to sell their property.
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#3 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Powderly, TX
Hunt In: God's green earth
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Wow I grew up fishing and camping on that lake. Hope TPWD can come up with the funds to keep it!
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#4 |
Ten Point
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Magnolia
Hunt In: Leon County
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Texas is one of the most prosperous states in the US, generated a huge budget surplus and still can't figure out how to make this happen?
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#5 | |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Golden Triangle
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The developer has eyes on many millions of dollars in profit for an exclusive and private lake, golf course, million dollar homes, etc. They can legally do it and it is understandable. Had this been completely private property to begin with then one would notice or probably even care. Private property sales for private ventures is done daily. Make it public property for generations with a great outdoor spot for average people and it really hurts that money has overcome the state’s (in this case every member of the public) interest in retaining it. There seems to be an easy and legal way retain the property for the park. The problem is the funding though and I doubt that it will be done. Claim eminent domain, seize the property and pay the market value. |
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#6 |
Ten Point
Join Date: May 2010
Location: College Station
Hunt In: the road by your lease
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They got plenty of money but nobody is willing to give up their two assistants and personal secretary in exchange for purchasing more land for the public.
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#7 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Manvel, TX mostly in the Doghouse
Hunt In: My Truck at night.
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That Sucks. Its one of my favorite lakes to fish. Great Campgrounds now that all the Tilapia castnetters are gone. If they sale I might look into buying a lot up there.
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#8 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Fannett
Hunt In: Marion Co, Jefferson Co
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We’ve hunted it a couple of times through the draw system. It’s a neat place. Would hate to see them sell it, but it makes a lot of sense for a developer to buy it with all of the infrastructure already in place.
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#9 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Powderly, TX
Hunt In: God's green earth
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I assumed they would have to buy it all instead of the smaller amount the State had the park on. I had not thought about eminent domain usage.
It’s a shame our funding is so screwed up with the Tpwd funds that they don’t use them strictly for wildlife and hunting even though as hunters we fund it! |
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#10 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Flint
Hunt In: Jack
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I guess I was wrong for assuming that these parks were state owned for public use.
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#11 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Aug 2012
Hunt In: Bosque Freestone Hill McLennan Navarro Parker Counties
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Now the state is saying they have the money to purchase it but it might be too late. Somebody dropped the ball big time.
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#12 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Manvel, TX mostly in the Doghouse
Hunt In: My Truck at night.
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Sounds like TPWD was just sitting back and playing dumb waiting to see what was going to happen.
Sure hope they don't lose it. Not many state parks with boating access. Only about 1/4 of the 88 parks have Lake access. Ponds yes, but not lakes. Last edited by Hoggslayer; 01-29-2023 at 03:17 PM. |
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#13 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Powderly, TX
Hunt In: God's green earth
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What a cluster fluck for the people of Texas
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#14 |
Six Point
Join Date: Oct 2016
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Eminent domain the mf’er. Considering all the garbage they use (the ability to eminent domain) it for, surely a park, open to anyone, for fishing/camping(some hunting), ought to qualify....
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#15 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Coppell
Hunt In: Sterling Co.
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are they gonna have decent price lots? I’ll be in the market for a lake house soon
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#16 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Upper echelon at it's finest
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#17 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Celina
Hunt In: Leon/Freestone Cos
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#18 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Madisonville, Texas
Hunt In: Earth
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I’m surprised it took this long to sell, with the layout of that piece of property and its location between Houston and Dallas it’s prime for development. Doing the same thing on Hwy 7 in Leon County, I believe it’s a piece of what was the Center Ranch.
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#19 |
Ten Point
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Magnolia
Hunt In: Leon County
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Sad to see the center ranch being broken up
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#20 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Oatmeal, TX
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Yet another cluster **** brought to us by txpw.
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#21 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Sep 2020
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Well things have stalemated, Feb. 3 was supposed to be the date the park would have to turn the keys over but the park is still open. Few reports out there that state representative in Austin have been flooded with angry emails and phone calls about the public losing this to private development, and that the state is currently high-level meetings about purchasing some or all of the Luminant land.
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#22 | |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Spring
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#23 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Fort Worth, Tx
Hunt In: Jones County and Missouri
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Someone from California will outbid them.
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#24 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Burleson, Tx
Hunt In: Public/Private
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#25 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Mesquite, TX
Hunt In: Whitney / Abilene, KS
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I hate to see it go but renting land from a power company sounds like a typical bad business model for the state. TPWD has likely operated that park at a loss for the last 50 years, but when it's other people's money you can get away with it.
The State should have purchased it 50 years ago when it was 100 times cheaper and would surely be money ahead without paying lease fees for fifty years, developing the park, maintaining and staffing the park only to have it taken by the highest bidder. The power company wins, the developer wins, the State says awe shucks and the tax payer loses. I will be curious to see how many of our reps fighting to save the park end up with premium choice lots and club memberships to the golf course in a few years when they open. |
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#26 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Houston
Hunt In: Someplace, TX
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State could have bought it 50 years ago, but I'm sure "didn't have the money." Now someone shows up with money and they want to act like it's some evil plot. Like a tire kicker in the classifieds complaining that someone else bought something. Just another TPWD screw up.
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#27 | |
Six Point
Join Date: Jul 2014
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#28 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Fairfield
Hunt In: Freestone/Schleicher Counties
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So from what I understand from very reliable sources around town is that the big tract of land that was up for sale (which includes the lake and the property where the State park currently sits) has been under contract for several months with Todd Interests (development company). However Todd Interests is having issues closing the deal and may be backing out. IF they do back out and the contract is voided, then the State will have the option/ability to purchase the lake and State Park property from Vistra Energy. I have also heard that Beaver Aplin (owner of Bucee's) is backing the State with finances to purchase the property. LOTS of moving parts in this transaction..........
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#29 | |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Manvel, TX mostly in the Doghouse
Hunt In: My Truck at night.
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#30 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Fairfield
Hunt In: Freestone/Schleicher Counties
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#31 | |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Manvel, TX mostly in the Doghouse
Hunt In: My Truck at night.
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Can you provide the source of this info? Is it reported in some article or just the talk at the local cafe? |
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#32 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Fairfield
Hunt In: Freestone/Schleicher Counties
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Was told this by two guys I know that are very closely involved with the current transaction with Todd and Luminant/Vistra. Doesnt really matter where the money comes from. TPWD has stated they have the finances to purchase the property so hopefully they are given the opportunity to do so.
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#33 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Aug 2011
Hunt In: South East Texas
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The state should have never leased the land (even for $0) because it should have been understood that this day will come.
With a 50 year history of public use, I would support the use of eminent domain to acquire the property (at fair market value) for the continuation of public use. This should also be a lesson to evaluate all other land leases that the state holds. The current lack of public land and recourses available to the people of Texas is a major drawback. |
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#34 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Powderly, TX
Hunt In: God's green earth
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This could be good news
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#35 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Alvarado
Hunt In: Whitney public land
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That place is infested with hogs. Should be interesting if they turn it into a golf course
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#36 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Celina
Hunt In: Leon/Freestone Cos
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#37 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Pandora, Texas
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Would be nice if the state keeps it as a park.
I read an article about the population growth in Texas, it stated that we are losing 235 square miles of land per year to development. We are 45th in the country with public land, which is 4.2 percent total. |
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#38 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Sorry Azz Houston & Young County
Hunt In: Young County & Anywhere A Duck Flies!
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I say no to eminent domain. How many of y'all would like it if it was your land. To heck with that. Just another BIG screw up from tpwd.
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#39 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Manvel, TX mostly in the Doghouse
Hunt In: My Truck at night.
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That would be the the ****tiest thing I've ever seen if they did that. Free rent for 50 years then they steal it out from under the land owner. I'd move to Oklahoma if Texas did that to them.
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#40 | |
Six Point
Join Date: Oct 2016
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Would this property be worth as much as it is, if TPWD hadn’t “beautified” it, over the last 50 years?? No. How many folks will benefit if it goes to a private developer?? Vistra gets their asking price (which is higher than it would have been, if taxpayers hadn’t already sunk a ton of money in it, over the last half century). Taxpayers get to keep access to a beautiful state park. Wildlife benefits by not having McMansions built all over thousands of acres. Win. Win. Win. Last edited by Abctx; 02-08-2023 at 05:29 PM. |
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#41 | |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Manvel, TX mostly in the Doghouse
Hunt In: My Truck at night.
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#42 |
Six Point
Join Date: Oct 2016
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#43 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Leander / Liberty Hill
Hunt In: Kerr county & TP&W
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#44 |
Six Point
Join Date: Oct 2016
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Right now, the developer in Dallas has “dibs” (the State didn’t know, apparently, a few months ago, that they had the money to buy it, so the developer got there first). If he doesn’t back out on the deal, he’s going to get it. The only way for the State to get it, now, is for him to drop out, or to “eminent domain” it (which would knock him out, and allow the State to buy it).
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#45 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Jun 2016
Hunt In: Wisconsin, New Mexico, Colorado, Montana, Idaho
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#46 | |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Golden Triangle
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They entire intent of eminent domain is because people don’t like it. If everyone was willing to sell at a reasonable price then eminent domain doesn’t need to exist. It is like saying you need to have freedom of speech…. as long as you don’t offend anyone. |
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#47 | |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Sorry Azz Houston & Young County
Hunt In: Young County & Anywhere A Duck Flies!
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#48 | |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Golden Triangle
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#49 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Burnet
Hunt In: Texas
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#50 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Tuscola
Hunt In: Taylor County
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I have been playing Powerball religiously the last two years. That place is what I was going to buy if I won.
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