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Old 05-03-2021, 07:01 PM   #1
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Default Shoalwater 23' Cat vs. Haynie 24' Cat

I've narrowed it down to these two.

Shoalwater 23' Cat with a Mercury 300 from Waypoint Marine
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Haynie 24' Cat with a Mercury 350or 400 from Chris's Marine

Which would you go with and why? Pros and Cons of each?

Plan on building new and placing order in August so that it's ready for Spring 2022.

I'm trying to stay between $80K - $90K. I've priced both of these boats the way I want it and have stayed in that range.

I'm a typical wade fisherman but not everyone that I fish with wades. My main goal for the boat is to get to my spots fast, run and get up skinny, eat chop and fish 4-6 people.
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Old 05-03-2021, 07:14 PM   #2
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If you’re wanting a shoalwater and want it for spring of 22 you better order it now.
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Old 05-03-2021, 07:28 PM   #3
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If youíre wanting a shoalwater and want it for spring of 22 you better order it now.
Waypoint told me 7 months.
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Old 05-03-2021, 07:40 PM   #4
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Haynie with the 350. Rode in this past summer that had a 300 Suzuki and it was nice. I pet that 350 would be awesome.
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Waypoint told me 7 months.
In March of 2020 they told me 12 weeks, that turned into 17 weeks. I wouldn’t be surprised to see that boat ready near the end of fall if ordered now. That being said, spending that kind of coin I wouldn’t rush the process of research, choosing options, and actually signing on the dotted line. Shoalwater is an awesome boat, I haven’t fished in the big hay or cat, only the 21ft. I don’t suppose you could go wrong with either but I chose shoalwater.
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Waypoint told me 7 months.

I wouldnít hold my breath on 7 months.


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Both boats are great. I run a 2015 23 Haynie cat. You don’t get much more boat going with the 24 vs 23 cat on the Haynie. Key slot transom on the 24 vs flat transom on the 23. Chris will likely recommend the 23 over the 24 for performance reasons.

The Haynie is gonna be heavier but feel more solid in the chop. The shoal water is gonna be lighter and faster but doesn’t feel as solid in the chop.

350 or 400 on a haynie23 will be a boss!
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I'm over 6 months waiting on Waypoint. Good luck. I've been very disappointed with their communication, or lack of. I was told 4 months, 5 tops. At least they're being more honest now by saying 7.
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For that money or any boat really, I'm riding one before I drop a deposit

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Both boats are great. I run a 2015 23 Haynie cat. You donít get much more boat going with the 24 vs 23 cat on the Haynie. Key slot transom on the 24 vs flat transom on the 23. Chris will likely recommend the 23 over the 24 for performance reasons.

The Haynie is gonna be heavier but feel more solid in the chop. The shoal water is gonna be lighter and faster but doesnít feel as solid in the chop.

350 or 400 on a haynie23 will be a boss!
Iíve fished both, this description above is pretty much how Iíd describe them. Canít go wrong with either, pick the one that feels the best to you. Have you ridden in them both with the power youíre wanting?
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I've been around them all quite a bit. I have two friends with 23 Shoalwaters and a couple of friends who have recently had Haynie cats but are now in Magnums. Just my opinion but of the two brands I think you are skipping over the best cat hull. I'd go 23 Haynie Cat with a 300 Pro XS. That would be my pick. Rides better, runs better than the 24, has a higher transom than the Shoalwater so you don't have water coming over the back in open water, drafts about the same as the 24 and the Shoalwater. To me the Haynie Cat is a better boat. The Shoalwater does look sleeker but I am more interested in how they fish than how they look.

You are probably looking at 12 months to get a Haynie if you order now.
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Old 05-03-2021, 09:00 PM   #13
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I've been around them all quite a bit. I have two friends with 23 Shoalwaters and a couple of friends who have recently had Haynie cats but are now in Magnums. Just my opinion but of the two brands I think you are skipping over the best cat hull. I'd go 23 Haynie Cat with a 300 Pro XS. That would be my pick. Rides better, runs better than the 24, has a higher transom than the Shoalwater so you don't have water coming over the back in open water, drafts about the same as the 24 and the Shoalwater. To me the Haynie Cat is a better boat. The Shoalwater does look sleeker but I am more interested in how they fish than how they look.

You are probably looking at 12 months to get a Haynie if you order now.
Appreciate the info. Last I talked to Chris's Marine, not too long ago, it was 7-8 months but I guess that could have changed.
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Appreciate the info. Last I talked to Chris's Marine, not too long ago, it was 7-8 months but I guess that could have changed.
Have you looked at the el pescador cat?

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Old 05-03-2021, 09:04 PM   #15
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Iíve fished both, this description above is pretty much how Iíd describe them. Canít go wrong with either, pick the one that feels the best to you. Have you ridden in them both with the power youíre wanting?
I've fished out of a Shoalwater 23 Cat with a Suzuki 300 and out of an older model Haynie 23 Cat with a Mercury 250. Haven't been in a Haynie 23 or 24 with a 300/350/400.
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I have looked into them, never been on one though. I'm just trying to narrow it down at this point rather than making it more difficult to make a decision. I've been on Haynie and Shoalwater and like them both and I do most of my fishing out of Corpus so Waypoint and Chris's are both right there and convenient.
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Old 05-03-2021, 09:07 PM   #17
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This. If I were buying today, Iíd go Pescador Cat. Iíve fished off of the Pescador, numerous Shoalwater and Haynie cats, as well as SCB. Pescador is best bang for buck IMO.


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This. If I were buying today, Iíd go Pescador Cat. Iíve fished off of the Pescador, numerous Shoalwater and Haynie cats, as well as SCB. Pescador is best bang for buck IMO.


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Waypoint did 95% of the service on my pescador. I would strongly recommend you go ride on a pescador.... Fast, dry and smooth!

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Appreciate the info. Last I talked to Chris's Marine, not too long ago, it was 7-8 months but I guess that could have changed.
Call and check with them. I picked my boat up a month ago and was back down there a couple weeks ago to get my trolling motor installed. Both times they told me 12 months but the wait for a cat may be shorter. I'm not sure if it varies by model. But it may.
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Old 05-03-2021, 09:23 PM   #20
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I’ve rode in both and that Haynie would get my vote
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Old 05-03-2021, 09:25 PM   #21
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So I bought a shoalwater from waypoint last year it took 6 1/2 months. They build a ton of boats it’s not a fast process. I got the 21 cat with mercury 250 four stroke. You would be amazed how well these boats ride for cat style boats. I fish Baffin mostly but occasionally fish west Galveston. I rarely get water over they back of the boat unless I’m power poled down in Baffin when it’s really rough then it’s still not much water at all. I wade fish a lot and boat fish with family shoalwater is good for boat. Boat runs 58mph with 50 gallons of fuel and 3 three people. I normally run about 40 and get really good fuel economy. I’ve got the boat over 60 with just me in in. My boat seems to ride better in rough water if I get it up on top of the waves and run alittle faster. I don’t think you can go wrong with either boat. But waypoint and Chris marine are very top notch dealers. Waypoint has been great to me so far.
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This. If I were buying today, Iíd go Pescador Cat. Iíve fished off of the Pescador, numerous Shoalwater and Haynie cats, as well as SCB. Pescador is best bang for buck IMO.


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I know this doesnít help you, but Iíd have to strongly agree here.
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Old 05-03-2021, 10:03 PM   #23
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Curious why your leaning towards the 24 Haynie vs. the newer 23 Super Cat or regular 23 Cat? Spent a lot of time on a 24 with a 250 pro xs before the 23's became popular. Seems like there's been some new found interest with Adam Nesloney's mid tower rig. Extremely nice and definitely worth looking at if you haven't. The 23 Super Cat is also seeing decent numbers with a little better hole shot than the two others rigged with a 300. The custom grey two tone (glitter) boat at Rock the Dock this year belongs to a close friend of mine. With two people light load he is seeing 60mph. Watkins Sr. is also running a 23 super cat (all black) and has been extremely pleased as well.
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Old 05-03-2021, 10:19 PM   #24
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That 23 Shoalwater, propped and run correctly, will run stupid shallow.
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Old 05-03-2021, 10:52 PM   #25
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Curious why your leaning towards the 24 Haynie vs. the newer 23 Super Cat or regular 23 Cat? Spent a lot of time on a 24 with a 250 pro xs before the 23's became popular. Seems like there's been some new found interest with Adam Nesloney's mid tower rig. Extremely nice and definitely worth looking at if you haven't. The 23 Super Cat is also seeing decent numbers with a little better hole shot than the two others rigged with a 300. The custom grey two tone (glitter) boat at Rock the Dock this year belongs to a close friend of mine. With two people light load he is seeing 60mph. Watkins Sr. is also running a 23 super cat (all black) and has been extremely pleased as well.
Iím not opposed to a Haynie 23 cat. Iíve never been on a 23 super cat so that may be an option. Only reason i was leaning towards a 24 because Iíve talked to people who have had both a 23 and 24 and they told me that the 24 drafts less, gets up shallower, rides smoother in rough stuff, and does not porpoise like the 23. Like i said, just what Iíve been told.
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Old 05-03-2021, 11:16 PM   #26
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Iíve got a 23í Haynie cat with 70 hours on it Iím about to sell just FYI. Itís a great boat but we had a kid and I never get to use it. Get ya on the water a year sooner and for under $80k.
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Old 05-04-2021, 02:44 AM   #27
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I dropped my boat off at Waypoint this past week. The guy there told me Merc engines were a 54 week wait time and Yamaha wouldn't or couldn't tell him a timeframe. I didn't even ask about Suzuki. Also, he said Shoalwater was having issues with a sub-supplier not being able to source all the material for building the gas tanks...so they have many half built boats waiting on them at their factory... He said 21 foot and under is about 6 months and 23 footers are about 9 months and this is just for the hull.

However, my vote is Shoalwater.
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Both haynie and shoalwater are nice boats, but with so many cat hulls on the market I would go ride in several others before I put a order in.

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Old 05-04-2021, 08:24 AM   #30
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Both haynie and shoalwater are nice boats, but with so many cat hulls on the market I would go ride in several others before I put a order in.

Haynie
Shoalwater
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I hear ya man. I haven't had a chance to ride in all of those boats but I have heard great things about all of them. Simmons and SCB are out of the questions for me to stay between $80K - $90K. The main reason I settled on Haynie and Shoalwater are simply due to the fact that all of the fishing I do is near Corpus so having Chris's and Waypoint right there is much more convenient. Agreed on the Dargel lol.
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I hear ya man. I haven't had a chance to ride in all of those boats but I have heard great things about all of them. Simmons and SCB are out of the questions for me to stay between $80K - $90K. The main reason I settled on Haynie and Shoalwater are simply due to the fact that all of the fishing I do is near Corpus so having Chris's and Waypoint right there is much more convenient. Agreed on the Dargel lol.

I understand on the service. Iím going to sell my ultra cat in the fall because it just doesnít perform like I want and dealing with Ron Hoover makes me rather have another vasectomy.

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This. If I were buying today, Iíd go Pescador Cat. Iíve fished off of the Pescador, numerous Shoalwater and Haynie cats, as well as SCB. Pescador is best bang for buck IMO.


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This. I run an SCB and the Pescador is the closest thing to it for a lot less money. I was about to order one when I found my scb lightly used.
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I’m not opposed to a Haynie 23 cat. I’ve never been on a 23 super cat so that may be an option. Only reason i was leaning towards a 24 because I’ve talked to people who have had both a 23 and 24 and they told me that the 24 drafts less, gets up shallower, rides smoother in rough stuff, and does not porpoise like the 23. Like i said, just what I’ve been told.
I agree on all points made for the 24. Even though it's only a foot longer off the transom, it feels like a much larger boat. Very surprising to me how shallow such a heavy boat would actually float. I was never impressed with the hole shot but I'm spoiled running a totally different style boat. Yes the 23 will porpoise and believe the new super cat is even a little more sensitive. Every cat I've spent time on will porpoise.

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I donít think you can get an el pescador in this price range unless itís pretty much factory options only. We looked at them and the Mowdy c25 (great boats) and to get what we wanted we were knocking on 100 for both and that was after a lot of haggling and getting some Rock The Dock price specials.
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Old 05-04-2021, 08:59 PM   #35
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I would go Haynie over shoalwater. It’s a smoother ride.

If I was buying today I would be looking at the JH 25’ outlaw or the 24’ Pescador.
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Old 05-04-2021, 11:28 PM   #36
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Neither IMHO. Majek Reaper is a beast and skinny. Awesome boat. After that is the Majek Illusion. Quality boat builder like no other. Holds value better and performs flawlessly. Congrats either way.


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The Majek reaper is a RC24 hull with a Majek cap.


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Old 05-05-2021, 08:21 AM   #38
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Neither IMHO. Majek Reaper is a beast and skinny. Awesome boat. After that is the Majek Illusion. Quality boat builder like no other. Holds value better and performs flawlessly. Congrats either way.


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I've been on quite a few Majek Illusions, before the M2. Wasn't a huge fan. Very wet and rough ride. M2 may be a different story, I've heard good things. What's the price point on the Reaper? I recall someone saying it was up near $100K. I've also heard a lot of great things about the JH Outlaw. Can't say I've ever been on one, but the only thing that kept me from looking into that one was the location/distance.
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Old 05-05-2021, 08:29 AM   #39
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I can’t speak much for the cat hull.... but I run a 23’ Haynie Bigfoot and have been very pleased with Chris’s Marine from ordering to pickup. They have also fixed a couple small issues very timely. Always answer the phone and emails etc....I picked up mine in January of this year after a 7 month wait.
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Old 05-05-2021, 08:31 AM   #40
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I run a 23' shoalwater... everything above is true. Haynie handles the rough stuff better and still gets stupid shallow. Shoalwater will run faster. Anything sub 6" and I stop measuring... both will run it.
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Old 05-05-2021, 09:24 AM   #41
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Out of all these cat hulls y'all are referencing, which one handles rough water the best?
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Neither IMHO. Majek Reaper is a beast and skinny. Awesome boat. After that is the Majek Illusion. Quality boat builder like no other. Holds value better and performs flawlessly. Congrats either way.


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I'd pass on the m2 and illusion over those 2 cat hulls . Have run both multiple times and yes they will run skinny as hell but they will beat your teeth out. Wouldn't mind taking a ride on the reaper though I've heard some good things about them.
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Out of all these cat hulls y'all are referencing, which one handles rough water the best?
Out of the shoalwater and Haynie the haynie will handle rough water better. Little heavier little longer that being said I got a shoalwater over a haynie.

I havent ran many of the other ones in rough conditions so not sure on those
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