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Old 05-03-2021, 09:07 AM   #1
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Anyone have experience using Accubonds vs. Ballistic Tips out of a 7mm Rem. Mag for whitetail up to 200 lbs.? This would typically be for distances inside of 150 yards, but potentially out to 300.

I have historically used Core Lokts but am interested in trying these and not sure which would be best at these ranges. I'm also trying to determine if 140 or 160 grain would be best.
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In my experience in high velocity cartridges the Accubonds hold up much better than the Ballistic tips.


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Ive been shooting the Winchester 150 gr. BST in 7mm Mag and they are nasty. Never had a whitetail take a step. Shot a red stag last year at 150 yds and it made it 40 yds.
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Thank you. That was my understanding as well.

Any idea whether a faster, lighter bullet (140 grain) would be better than a (marginally) slower, heavier bullet (160 grain)?

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Ive been shooting the Winchester 150 gr. BST in 7mm Mag and they are nasty. Never had a whitetail take a step. Shot a red stag last year at 150 yds and it made it 40 yds.
That's good to know too. 150 grain Core Lokt is what I had used historically but with ammo supplies being what they are I can't find 150 grain Nosler BT's anywhere.

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Old 05-03-2021, 09:26 AM   #5
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7 mag is a sizzler and doesn’t do a good job of expanding ( unless hitting bone) until you get out past the 150-200 yd mark! 140’s are great but if you want expansion within those ranges then they will need to be loaded down ! Accubonds are awesome though!
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7 mag is a sizzler and doesnít do a good job of expanding ( unless hitting bone) until you get out past the 150-200 yd mark! 140ís are great but if you want expansion within those ranges then they will need to be loaded down ! Accubonds are awesome though!
So when you say "loaded down" are you saying 160 grain would be more ideal?
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So when you say "loaded down" are you saying 160 grain would be more ideal?
Iím sorry for not clarifying: loaded down is if you are a hand loader -less powder and slower burn rate!

I think that you are wanted factory cartridges though correct?
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I’m sorry for not clarifying: loaded down is if you are a hand loader -less powder and slower burn rate!

I think that you are wanted factory cartridges though correct?
Yes sir, factory ammo.

If I had my druthers I'd keep you using my 7mm-08 and shoot 140 grain BT's out of it, but Nosler seems to not be in any kind of hurry to manufacture these.
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Yes sir, factory ammo.
For distances Inside of 150 : Barnes TTSX 140- solid copper and shoot like 160ís
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Yes sir, factory ammo.

If I had my druthers I'd keep you using my 7mm-08 and shoot 140 grain BT's out of it, but Nosler seems to not be in any kind of hurry to manufacture these.
I use the Barnes TTSX out of my 7-08 - perfect expansion every time to 325 yds to date! But I also neck shoot soooo... anything would work

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For distances Inside of 150 : Barnes TTSX 140- solid copper and shoot like 160ís
That Barnes has a hard time expanding in anything.



OP. 180 Berger VLDs have performed flawlessly in mine for years. Accubond is a fantastic hunting Bullet. That or a partition is what Iíd choose in any caliber for most all hunting if you donít need long range flight performance.
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That Barnes has a hard time expanding in anything.



OP. 180 Berger VLDs have performed flawlessly in mine for years. Accubond is a fantastic hunting Bullet. That or a partition is what I’d choose in any caliber for most all hunting if you don’t need long range flight performance.
Good to know. I appreciate that information too.

And just to get your opinion on the bullet size, if you were going to use Accubonds would you personally use 140 or 160 grain?
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That Barnes has a hard time expanding in anything.



OP. 180 Berger VLDs have performed flawlessly in mine for years. Accubond is a fantastic hunting Bullet. That or a partition is what Iíd choose in any caliber for most all hunting if you donít need long range flight performance.
Not my experience at all ! Vldís are sizzlers and donít do well inside of 150! I shoot Vldís out of a .243 and now my 300 win mag and they are awesome, but when people start talking about 7 mags itís a different ball game in My humble experiences.
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150 grain ballistic siivertips do a number on deer and hogs, 95% fall in their tracks
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Not my experience at all ! Vldís are sizzlers and donít do well inside of 150! I shoot Vldís out of a .243 and now my 300 win mag and they are awesome, but when people start talking about 7 mags itís a different ball game in My humble experiences.
Iím running that 180 at 3075 in my 7. Had em at 3050 on my 300. And 3040-3050 in my 6.5-284. The faster a Berger goes the more explosive it is up close. They do some nasty things at 300+ on critters too haha.
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Good to know. I appreciate that information too.

And just to get your opinion on the bullet size, if you were going to use Accubonds would you personally use 140 or 160 grain?
160 at a minimum. 140s were built for 7-08 in my opinion.

Others may have different experience but donít waste your time with the ABLR. Super finicky Bullet.
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7 mag is a sizzler and doesnít do a good job of expanding ( unless hitting bone) until you get out past the 150-200 yd mark! 140ís are great but if you want expansion within those ranges then they will need to be loaded down ! Accubonds are awesome though!


I donít buy into this theory AT ALL. Velocity is what makes a traditional Bullet expand, thatís why they have a minimum velocity expansion threshold. The upper velocity threshold represents the maximum velocity that the bullet would hold together.


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Guys I appreciate all the input. This gives me a couple of directions to consider.
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I was a hunting guide for 3 years! I had to track more animals - long distances that were shot with a 7 mag within 150 yds- through and through with no expansion on exit- with so many different brands of cartridges! I cringed when they showed up with the 7ís! In the end itís shot placement no matter what your throwing at them ! I have a 7 - great gun but like I said, I neck shoot!
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I was a hunting guide for 3 years! I had to track more animals - long distances that were shot with a 7 mag within 150 yds- through and through with no expansion on exit- with so many different brands of cartridges! I cringed when they showed up with the 7ís! In the end itís shot placement no matter what your throwing at them ! I have a 7 - great gun but like I said, I neck shoot!
Maybe because you recommended they shoot that **** Barnes?
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Maybe because you recommended they shoot that **** Barnes?
Bwahahahaha... that was way before I started with Barnes
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Bwahahahaha... that was way before I started with Barnes
I heard the same about the 7 mag. Ironically from Mike D himself . I have not had that experience. I suppose a high quality bonded Bullet and a shooter aiming for the lungs on a whitetail size animal would do that. Shoulder shots are all I do besides pigs and the occasional doe. Canít run far with 2 busted shoulders.
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I was a hunting guide for 3 years! I had to track more animals - long distances that were shot with a 7 mag within 150 yds- through and through with no expansion on exit- with so many different brands of cartridges! I cringed when they showed up with the 7ís! In the end itís shot placement no matter what your throwing at them ! I have a 7 - great gun but like I said, I neck shoot!


Well good for you.

But Iím not a fan of the 7mag but it ainít from bullet failure. If a bullet fails to expand its a **** poor bullet design, not a cartridge specific issue.

Roy Hines does agree with you about the 7 mag and wounding though.

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Well good for you.

But Iím not a fan of the 7mag but it ainít from bullet failure. If a bullet fails to expand its a **** poor bullet design, not a cartridge specific issue.

Roy Hines does agree with you about the 7 mag and wounding though.

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No need to be sarcastic! Well, maybe you have the need

The proof is in the puddin : real life hunting and not at the range!

I hope that you have a very blessed day along with everyone else!
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Ive been shooting the Winchester 150 gr. BST in 7mm Mag and they are nasty. Never had a whitetail take a step. Shot a red stag last year at 150 yds and it made it 40 yds.
This! Same here, they have all been drt!
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No need to be sarcastic! Well, maybe you have the need



The proof is in the puddin : real life hunting and not at the range!



I hope that you have a very blessed day along with everyone else!


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This! Same here, they have all been drt!
If I'm not mistaken Winchester uses Nosler BT's in their ammo, so I'd be opened to those too. But like actual Nosler BT's I can't find Winchester BT's either.

It sounds like BT's may be a good option regardless, IF I can find them.


For what it's worth I do know exactly what y'all are talking about as far as 7 mag. expansion issues at short ranges. Typically I'll shoot them through the shoulder though, so hitting bone seems to help mitigate that.

We have some big bodied bucks at our place so I'm hesitant to use my .243 and was thinking if push comes to shove and I can't get 7mm-08 BT's I may have to dust of my 7 Mag.

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I know others here may like BTs. But man they are sketchy. Explosive. Like a grown up Vmax. Hard pass here!
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I shoot the 140 grain Accubonds out of my 7 mag have had great success with them almost all of our shots are 150 yards and in.

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I know others here may like BTs. But man they are sketchy. Explosive. Like a grown up Vmax. Hard pass here!
See and that's what I'm leery of out of a 7 Mag. They do wonders out of my -08, but it's not moving as fast either.
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I shoot the 140 grain Accubonds out of my 7 mag have had great success with them almost all of our shots are 150 yards and in.
Have ever used them beyond that range? I have shots that can be taken out to 300 yards so I have to be mindful of that as well.
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7 mag with them cheap old Rem Cor-lokt psp boolits do unimaginable things to critters. They blow the guts right out of them and destroy half the meat no matter what distance. Dead is dead however.

Nosler BT's have a thinner jacket and disrupt easier than an accubond which has a tapered jacket that is thicker at the base. Both are good bullets but the Accubond is better at range and thru bone. I use both plus Barnes TSX and TTSX in my .338WSM custom all in 185gr and 200gr and all of them put big hogs on their butts no matter where they get hit. The BST's do much more meat damage than the others especially thru the shoulder shots.
My 338WSM can send 185 barnes out at 3240 fps and 200's at 3050 but I load them down to 2800-2900 for hunting. 26" Shilen barrel.
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I have not we have a few places that you could shoot out well over 300 yards if the opportunity presented itself but I don't hunt those areas much. I would not think twice about it though.
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OP, if you typically shoot through shoulders as you state above, the Accubond would be a much better choice over the more frangible Ballistic Tip. And, I'd personally favor the heavier bullet, regardless of range. I have both 160gr Accubond and Partition loads developed for my 7RM. I do use Ballistic Tips, but only in 100gr in my .257AI and restricted to heart/lung shots. I also have a 110gr Accubond load for that rifle that is my primary hunting load for it.

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I 100% agree... It's bullet design and velocity everyday, all day.. I have been hunting with a 7MM mag for 30+ years and guiding for many more than 3 and have never seen the crap I'm reading in this thread.. I can shoot any deer in this state with a 140
Grain Sierra GK and kill it every time.. Granted 2 of my 7mags like 160's better but they kill also.. The last bullet I would try to hunt deer with is a Barnes... Especially the heavier Barnes.. Bullet choice is all about alpication.... The right application and the correct shot placement will kill them every time you pull the trigger.. Usually it is latter happening when Mr Hindes has to be called or both..
If you want to blow a deer off of his feet hit him with a 120gr Sierra traveling 3400fps..
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Maybe because you recommended they shoot that **** Barnes?
Agree with Bucknaked. I've reloaded the barnes TTSX for my 7mag and use a 120gr bullet. Accuracy kills and these bullets are very accurate once you get the right load. What these bullets do to the internals is amazing, they don't waste hardly any meat, but are devastating to the heart/lungs (Hydrostatic Shock). I also neck shoot... Love them! See ballistic gelatin video on the barnes bullets...

Stxbuckman,

The Accubonds are a blend of the ballistic tips. The first part of the Accubond acts like a balistic tip and the other half is bonded together for penetration kind of like the old partition bullet, but without the shank. The ballistic tip is awesome and very accurate if you are shooting past the 300yd + mark. My 30+ years of reloading has giving me some great insight both on the reloading bench, target range and on the game that I harvest...




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I 100% agree... It's bullet design and velocity everyday, all day.. I have been hunting with a 7MM mag for 30+ years and guiding for many more than 3 and have never seen the crap I'm reading in this thread.. I can shoot any deer in this state with a 140
Grain Sierra GK and kill it every time.. Granted 2 of my 7mags like 160's better but they kill also.. The last bullet I would try to hunt deer with is a Barnes... Especially the heavier Barnes.. Bullet choice is all about alpication.... The right application and the correct shot placement will kill them every time you pull the trigger.. Usually it is latter happening when Mr Hindes has to be called or both..
If you want to blow a deer off of his feet hit him with a 120gr Sierra traveling 3400fps..
What ammo manufacturers use Sierra Game Kings bullets?
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I shoot both in 7mm-08, 7mm and used to in a 270wsm. For whitetails, If you are shooting shoulder go with Accubonds and if you are going for lungs/heart ballistic tips.
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I wish somebody would have told me that a 7mm mag don't kill worth a crap sooner. Over 40 years shooting one and it has worked just fine for me. And with cup and core bullets at that. But I don't gut shoot. I don't know what the best bullet for doing that happens to be. Hit them in the right place and down they go. Hit them in the shoulder and that bullets works great. Hit them in the gut and blame that sorry azz bullet for not working right.
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https://www.sierrabullets.com/produc...n-tgk-b-c-545/


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Agree with Bucknaked. I've reloaded the barnes TTSX for my 7mag and use a 120gr bullet. Accuracy kills and these bullets are very accurate once you get the right load. What these bullets do to the internals is amazing, they don't waste hardly any meat, but are devastating to the heart/lungs (Hydrostatic Shock). I also neck shoot... Love them! See ballistic gelatin video on the barnes bullets...

Stxbuckman,

The Accubonds are a blend of the ballistic tips. The first part of the Accubond acts like a balistic tip and the other half is bonded together for penetration kind of like the old partition bullet, but without the shank. The ballistic tip is awesome and very accurate if you are shooting past the 300yd + mark. My 30+ years of reloading has giving me some great insight both on the reloading bench, target range and on the game that I harvest...




Barnes Triple Shock Bullet Devastates Ballistic Gel - YouTube
The 120 would probably be good but my son shot a black buck with a 150gr TSX out of his 7mm Mag and we were able to retrieve the bullet.. Expansion was very minimal at best.. The BB was DRT though..
It would be a great Elk, Oryx or Aoudad bullet..
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i shot the 140 grain ballistic tip in mine.

Performance was fine. For deer i would not use an accubond
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Old 05-04-2021, 12:56 PM   #45
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Well...your shooting whitetails, so I really don't see the point in spending the extra $$ messing with the other factory ammo. Dead is dead, and Corp Lokts will kill a deer just fine in the situations your asking about. I use them for Aoudad, and had no issue knocking down the 31.5 in Ram hanging on my wall. Shot several Whitetail as well, and aimed behind the shoulder to save meat. I'm not sure why you're looking at the other to loads unless you're just bored. If it ain't broke....
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Barnes 127 LRX through an Elk. Was hoping for much, much more...!!
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Old 05-04-2021, 01:19 PM   #47
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Barnes 127 LRX through an Elk. Was hoping for much, much more...!!


Wow you donít typically see them lose petals like that.

What cartridge and distance?


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Old 05-04-2021, 01:38 PM   #48
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Wow you donít typically see them lose petals like that.

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6.5 PRC, 486 yards, estimated impact velocity around 2350FPS. Straight through the lungs in Unit 10, New Mexico.
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Old 05-04-2021, 02:10 PM   #49
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I shoot Barnes exclusively in my big game calibers. they are not made to expand as has been mentioned above, beyond the 4 petals curling back. Barnes bullets are designed to drive hard through an animal. I also shoot high shoulder shots, or drive the bullet right through the front shoulders. It is a lot different shooting an elk standing at the edge of a deep nasty canyon where you want to drop him in his tracks versus shooting a whitetail standing next to a feeder down a sendero.

If you want expansion (as in the bullet coming apart and disintegrating in small pieces), shoot a Berger, or something else that explodes on impact. Either one will kill the animal, I just have had such good luck with Barnes that I don't look elsewhere.

But, to the OP's question, between the Accubond and BT, I will take the Accubond over the BT. And, the 7mm Mag shoots a 140 gr bullet really well.
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6.5 PRC, 486 yards, estimated impact velocity around 2350FPS. Straight through the lungs in Unit 10, New Mexico.
You typically don't recover a Barnes bullet inside an animal, especially shooting them through the lungs but after seeing the distance you shot him at with the 6.5 PRC, I can understand why you recovered it.
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