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Old 05-30-2019, 07:45 PM   #1
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Straight to the point. Is it legal for a citizen to present themselves as a LEO? Is it legal for a citizen to present themselves as a retired LEO and say that they have been retired for so many years and that they worked at a certain police department? I am pretty sure that I know the answer to the first question but I dont know about the answer to the 2nd question. Yes, I know about GOOGLE and looking it up in the Penal Code, but was looking for a quick response. Thanks.
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Old 05-30-2019, 07:51 PM   #2
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No idea, but you could always do this.
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Old 05-30-2019, 07:52 PM   #3
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Donít think there is stolen valor for retired or former Leoís. Representing yourself as a current leo is against the law though. PC 37.12


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Old 05-30-2019, 08:10 PM   #4
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It is clearly against the law for a citizen to impersonate a peace officer. 37.11 Penal Code Impersonating a Public Servant is a 3rd degree felony. As far as retired peace officers, they are allowed certain peace officer authority but they have to keep up to date on some training and firearms qualifications. They will be issued a retired peace officer ID card.
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:13 PM   #5
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Was the person using this to obtain anything that is LEO privileged? People claim to be all sorts of things, go by any academy gun bar, shooting range, or gun show.


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Old 05-30-2019, 08:22 PM   #6
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It is clearly against the law for a citizen to impersonate a peace officer. 37.11 Penal Code Impersonating a Public Servant is a 3rd degree felony. As far as retired peace officers, they are allowed certain peace officer authority but they have to keep up to date on some training and firearms qualifications. They will be issued a retired peace officer ID card.
But is it illegal for them to impersonate a retired LEO.

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Was the person using this to obtain anything that is LEO privileged? People claim to be all sorts of things, go by any academy gun bar, shooting range, or gun show.


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Yes. They were using it as "authority" in a situation.
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:31 PM   #7
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We retired LEOís have no more powers of arrest than the normal citizen, only a better understanding of the law. We do conceal carry if we qualify and carry the appropriate ID. That being said lots of gray area when it comes to 30:06 with retirees since we fall under LEOSA. Lots of what if and stuff!!


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Old 05-30-2019, 08:41 PM   #8
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But is it illegal for them to impersonate a retired LEO.



Yes. They were using it as "authority" in a situation.
What was the authority? Need more info for an answer
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:42 PM   #9
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The answer to 1. It's illegal. I was told that by a police officer
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:48 PM   #10
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Was the person using this to obtain anything that is LEO privileged? People claim to be all sorts of things, go by any academy gun bar, shooting range, or gun show.


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LEO privilege? Only thing I get is to pay my taxes and a $400 glock every year or two. Sound to me like the dumb a referred to is by the OP is just that.
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:56 PM   #11
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Lots of places give first responders (and retirees) discounts on stuff like your Glock some other gun manufacturers and shooting supplies, I even get my costas at a substantial Leo discount cause they ask at check out when I say Iím retired they ask if I had ID I show it to them and Iím good to go. Even in San Diego California at the USS Midway the person selling out tickets saw my wife badge pendant and asked if I or my wife were Leoís I said no Iím retired he asked if I had proof I said yes and showed him my id/badge and he let me in at a discount.


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Old 05-30-2019, 08:58 PM   #12
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Schlitterbahn is having first responder discount this week, great wolf lodge also has a Leo discount advertised on their website just FYI for my brothers in blue


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Old 05-30-2019, 09:07 PM   #13
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So, what specifically did this person do, and we could better answer your question.
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Old 05-30-2019, 09:09 PM   #14
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What was the authority? Need more info for an answer
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Old 05-30-2019, 09:11 PM   #15
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So, it looks like my original question has gotten off topic. That was not my intent and I dont want the bashing to start.Just want to know if it is illegal for a person to impersonate a retired LEO.

Q: Are you law enforcement?
A : Yes. Well, I am a retired police officer with ______ PD. I have been retired for 38 years.
Q: Can I leave?
A: No (as he moves in front of vehicle and impedes the progress of said vehicle. Continues to stand in front of vehicle and will not let person drive away).

("Retired" LEO moves to the side and when person gets back in vehicle to leave, retired LEO moves back in front of vehicle, impeding the person from leaving)

Legal or illegal on the part of the "retired" LEO?

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Old 05-31-2019, 06:17 AM   #16
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Not illegal.

He was not impersonating an LEO. He stated that he was retired.

Was he attempting a citizenís arrest?


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Old 05-31-2019, 06:40 AM   #17
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Its illegal to impede a person’s travel and can be met with deadly force
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Old 05-31-2019, 06:43 AM   #18
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It is not illegal to just tell someone you are a cop. There must be " intent to induce another to submit to his pretended official authority or to rely on his pretended official acts."
Telling someone you are retired, meaning no longer a law enforcement officer, is not illegal.
Let it go and move on.
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Old 05-31-2019, 06:45 AM   #19
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Its illegal to impede a personís travel and can be met with deadly force
Nice! That means I can shoot slow drivers in the left lane?
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Old 05-31-2019, 06:58 AM   #20
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Illegal to impersonate-

As far as above would have to know details. Could be an offense depending on situation
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Old 05-31-2019, 08:34 AM   #21
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Nice! That means I can shoot slow drivers in the left lane?
Christmas done come early!
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Its illegal to impede a personís travel and can be met with deadly force
You win dumbest comment of the day. Congratulations!
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Old 05-31-2019, 08:42 AM   #23
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Its illegal to impede a personís travel and can be met with deadly force
Please cite your source.
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Old 05-31-2019, 08:43 AM   #24
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Nice! That means I can shoot slow drivers in the left lane?
Well hot dang!! Calling Shotgun just got a whole lot better!!

Obviously passenger has to shoot, to hard for driver to drive, surf TBH, drink beers, and shoot at slow drivers camped in the left lane.
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Old 05-31-2019, 08:48 AM   #25
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If he's been retired 38 years, was he impeding the vehicle with his walker?!?
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Old 05-31-2019, 08:49 AM   #26
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Why did you kill that guy?


He got in my way!
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Old 05-31-2019, 08:52 AM   #27
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A lot of officers that quit, get fired, or didn't make the cut and were asked to leave or be fired like to tell people that they "retired from law enforcement".
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Old 05-31-2019, 09:26 AM   #28
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Old 05-31-2019, 10:03 AM   #29
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Well hot dang!! Calling Shotgun just got a whole lot better!!

Obviously passenger has to shoot, to hard for driver to drive, surf TBH, drink beers, and shoot at slow drivers camped in the left lane.
nah.... East TX roadhunters do it frequently
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Old 05-31-2019, 11:07 AM   #30
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So, it looks like my original question has gotten off topic. That was not my intent and I dont want the bashing to start.Just want to know if it is illegal for a person to impersonate a retired LEO.

Q: Are you law enforcement?
A : Yes. Well, I am a retired police officer with ______ PD. I have been retired for 38 years.
Q: Can I leave?
A: No (as he moves in front of vehicle and impedes the progress of said vehicle. Continues to stand in front of vehicle and will not let person drive away).

("Retired" LEO moves to the side and when person gets back in vehicle to leave, retired LEO moves back in front of vehicle, impeding the person from leaving)

Legal or illegal on the part of the "retired" LEO?
An Leo thread that got off topic???

Say it ain't so

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Old 05-31-2019, 11:38 AM   #31
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So dude said he’d been “retired” for 38 years? In the absolute best circumstances I can think of that makes the guy at least 76 years old. I’m not sure on the legality of claiming to be retired LEO but I’m sure something was illegal about his blocking a vehicle.
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Old 05-31-2019, 12:05 PM   #32
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I was never a LEO but was in Seal Team 5. I do not believe he can stop a vehicle. A vehicle is thousands of pounds and can run over him. He would be hurt or dead. Or dyin...

I'm quoting law from my Seal training from during the 8 years I was with the Easter Seals. "No one beats a car or truck". "Especially no walker"!! Period

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Old 05-31-2019, 12:20 PM   #33
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He can claim to be retired LEO all he wants. No harm in that. Doesn't give him the right to detain you for any reason. He would have a hard time detaining me without me calling the cops on him.
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A lot of officers that quit, get fired, or didn't make the cut and were asked to leave or be fired like to tell people that they "retired from law enforcement".


you nailed it Bobby


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In the next year or two I will retire and I bet unless someone looks me up when I move they will not know what I retired from. With the internet these days it is going to be hard because just looking my name up it has plenty of hits.
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In the next year or two I will retire and I bet unless someone looks me up when I move they will not know what I retired from. With the internet these days it is going to be hard because just looking my name up it has plenty of hits.
Retire from law enforcement........ is that really possible?
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In the next year or two I will retire and I bet unless someone looks me up when I move they will not know what I retired from. With the internet these days it is going to be hard because just looking my name up it has plenty of hits.
So does mine. But it was from those wild college years and I needed the money. I can live with that

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Old 05-31-2019, 03:32 PM   #38
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So, it looks like my original question has gotten off topic. That was not my intent and I dont want the bashing to start.Just want to know if it is illegal for a person to impersonate a retired LEO.

Q: Are you law enforcement?
A : Yes. Well, I am a retired police officer with ______ PD. I have been retired for 38 years.
Q: Can I leave?
A: No (as he moves in front of vehicle and impedes the progress of said vehicle. Continues to stand in front of vehicle and will not let person drive away).

("Retired" LEO moves to the side and when person gets back in vehicle to leave, retired LEO moves back in front of vehicle, impeding the person from leaving)

Legal or illegal on the part of the "retired" LEO?

Sounds like Unlawful Restraint to me.
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Old 05-31-2019, 04:22 PM   #39
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Why was he not wanting you to leave wherever you were at?


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Old 06-02-2019, 09:29 PM   #40
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When he said he was retired I would have left when I wanted to

Unless you were involved in an accident I can't think of any reason any old goat can make me do anything I don't want to
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So, it looks like my original question has gotten off topic. That was not my intent and I dont want the bashing to start.Just want to know if it is illegal for a person to impersonate a retired LEO.

Q: Are you law enforcement?
A : Yes. Well, I am a retired police officer with ______ PD. I have been retired for 38 years.
Q: Can I leave?
A: No (as he moves in front of vehicle and impedes the progress of said vehicle. Continues to stand in front of vehicle and will not let person drive away).

("Retired" LEO moves to the side and when person gets back in vehicle to leave, retired LEO moves back in front of vehicle, impeding the person from leaving)

Legal or illegal on the part of the "retired" LEO?
Too many "what ifs".

Yes.

No.

Anyone, in very limited situations, has detention or arrest authority... but very limited.
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Old 06-02-2019, 09:55 PM   #42
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Sounds like Unlawful Restraint to me.
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When he said he was retired I would have left when I wanted to

Unless you were involved in an accident I can't think of any reason any old goat can make me do anything I don't want to
If someone in Texas witnesses either a felony or someone’s safety being put in danger, they can make a citizen’s arrest. If they are wrong about that alleged crime then they could be held liable for false imprisonment.

I don’t think the retired Leo has any additional authority than any other citizen in this instance.
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