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Old 07-05-2019, 12:28 PM   #1
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Ok, not sure this will belong here, as I found only a few car projects on here. I did read the rules and will do my best to adhere.

The Project: take the body off my 1947 International KB5 1 1/2ton truck and place it on the drivetrain of a 1997 Dodge Dakota. And, voila, you have a frame swap! However, it doesn't happen that fast.

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Old 07-05-2019, 12:36 PM   #2
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Default and here is the Dakota

I can't figure out how to make it right side up. Any help is appreciated.
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Old 07-05-2019, 12:43 PM   #3
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I should state upfront that the idea of a frame swap was put to me by my 19 year old son as an "easy" way to get the old 1947 back on the road....nothing is ever easy. However, I am fully into it, and really want to see this through. I have really enjoyed working on this project with him.

So here is my progress to date. Finished cutting off the front fenders and moving/removing stuff under the hood. About to start cutting back the cab to just the floor and firewall.
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Old 07-05-2019, 12:47 PM   #4
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This is going to be interesting to watch. Good luck.
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Old 07-05-2019, 12:58 PM   #5
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In for this!
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Old 07-05-2019, 12:58 PM   #6
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and one with the hood raised. If you look close at the firewall area, there are some red sharpie marks on the passenger and driver sides. This is approximately where I am going to cut off the firewall to, in order to make the cab of the 47 fit. Wish me luck.
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Old 07-05-2019, 01:46 PM   #7
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This is going to be an awesome build . I have always wanted to put an old Apache on a blazer frame . Or build a old Willis truck .
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Old 07-05-2019, 02:32 PM   #8
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Looking forward to this one. What about axles it’s gonna take a lot of tire to fill the wheel wells are you gonna keep it daul rear wheel truck.
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Old 07-05-2019, 02:45 PM   #9
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all in on this!
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Old 07-05-2019, 03:07 PM   #10
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:58 AM   #11
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Sweet! My dad has a '47 KB2. He plans to build it in the near future.
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Old 07-06-2019, 11:02 AM   #12
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Great thread. Best way in the world to make a Dodge look good
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Awesome keep us updated this is going to pretty cool
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Old 07-08-2019, 06:39 AM   #14
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Following this one.
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Old 07-08-2019, 11:26 AM   #15
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Is a Dodge Dakota frame going to be stout enough to hold up an actual truck? Is it narrower, and that makes it fit better? Just curious.
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Old 07-08-2019, 12:39 PM   #16
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Wow, didn't really expect such an overflowing of feedback. Didn't get around to working on the Dakota this past weekend--had to do a timing belt/water pump on wife's van.

Hoping to get back to it this week. To answer a few questions: No rear duallies with the swap. The cab and front end are actually fairly light, so the dakota should be able to handle it fine. I actually have no idea what tire size I will use to fill the wheel well on the KB5. I have experimented with some 22 inch rims, but will just have to wait and see. The tire diameter of the originals were around 35 inches.
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Old 07-08-2019, 12:50 PM   #17
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Looks like a great project. Also wondering how you picked the Dodge. Have you seen it done before or was it the only one available? what motor is in the dodge?
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Old 07-08-2019, 01:34 PM   #18
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Lots of folks use S10 frames for frame swaps on the old truck, because believe it or not, our full size trucks of today are much larger than those of the 40s and 50s. However, if you go the S10 route of some of these trucks, the stance is a bit narrow. So, there is a line of folks that have been using the Dakotas since they are a mid-size between full size and compact truck frames. I liked the wider stance of the dakota, my son found a cheap dakota locally, and that was the decision matrix I used.

And there are several groups on Facebook that show the dakota swap, along with others.

Mine has a 5.2l V8 and auto trans with AC. Gotta have AC here in Texas....
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Old 07-08-2019, 03:56 PM   #19
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I look forward to following along! Good luck and keep us posted.
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Old 07-09-2019, 08:09 AM   #20
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With enough time & money, anything can be grafted onto anything else. There's a guy in Australia working on putting a '48 Willys Pickup onto an '08 Grand Cherokee body pan and drive train (Hemi).
Grandwillys Project It's a 10+ year endeavor, but lot's of body panel shaping. Good read for some motivation.

I love the look of the older trucks like yours. I think it's awesome that you're saving it and plan to drive it. Never did consider myself a "stock" kind of guy so I really like projects.

I'm in for the build!
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Old 07-09-2019, 12:18 PM   #21
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Old cab on late model frame?


Never heard of such.....
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Old 07-09-2019, 12:38 PM   #22
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Thanks. I have taken some heat from the purists that say I am messing up a good thing and should restore it. The truck restored would top out around 45-50 and would be lacking in the steering/suspension/braking department to me--but that is just me. I did restore a 1942 Willys MB and drove it for years with similar issues of top speed/steering/suspension/braking.

With this it will be a project--but doable. I guess anything is doable if you have an angle grinder, welder, and a big tube of caulk....and determination.
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Build it! Don't worry about what others think.
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Old 07-09-2019, 12:41 PM   #24
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Awesome. I’m in for this
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Old 07-09-2019, 08:30 PM   #25
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I think its a helluva good idea!

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Old 07-09-2019, 08:45 PM   #26
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With enough time & money, anything can be grafted onto anything else. There's a guy in Australia working on putting a '48 Willys Pickup onto an '08 Grand Cherokee body pan and drive train (Hemi).
Grandwillys Project It's a 10+ year endeavor, but lot's of body panel shaping. Good read for some motivation.

I love the look of the older trucks like yours. I think it's awesome that you're saving it and plan to drive it. Never did consider myself a "stock" kind of guy so I really like projects.

I'm in for the build!
Thanks for the link. Thatís the best build thread Iíve ever seen. Mad skills at a whole other level.
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Thanks for the link. Thatís the best build thread Iíve ever seen. Mad skills at a whole other level.
No doubt. What an undertaking! Great work. Just spent 45 minutes going through it. You donít spell like you are from College Station. Where is the motherland?
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Old 07-10-2019, 07:56 AM   #28
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^Lol

Cool thread, OP. Following along.
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Old 07-10-2019, 05:43 PM   #29
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You can drop a mild cam and a 4 barrel carb on a dodge 318 and make it a pretty stout lil motor. Friend of mine that works out at TMS has a 1933 Dodge Pu that he restored and put a 318 4 barrel and cam and that little buggy hauls pretty good. Fine lookin machine too.
I don't know what can be easily done with an injected 318 other than cam and headers.
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Lots of folks use S10 frames for frame swaps on the old truck, because believe it or not, our full size trucks of today are much larger than those of the 40s and 50s. However, if you go the S10 route of some of these trucks, the stance is a bit narrow. So, there is a line of folks that have been using the Dakotas since they are a mid-size between full size and compact truck frames. I liked the wider stance of the dakota, my son found a cheap dakota locally, and that was the decision matrix I used.

And there are several groups on Facebook that show the dakota swap, along with others.

Mine has a 5.2l V8 and auto trans with AC. Gotta have AC here in Texas....
Makes sense. Can't wait to see it transform.
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In. Great project
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:21 PM   #32
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In as well.
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:15 PM   #33
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Ok so not much was done this weekend. I had hoped to start cutting down the cab, and thought all I had to do prior to that was pull the seats and carpet--yeah right. Well... I started with the passenger side seat and it would not budge. Had to move it forward to access the rear bolts holding it down. Looked underneath and the runners were wrapped in heavy electrical wire due to some malfunction with their slider mechanism. Cut all the wires, hit the runner with a 3pd hammer and nothing. Got out Mr. Sawsall and went to town on the seat frame. Finally got all the seats out and jerked out the carpet. One fully sweat soaked Tshirt, and I was done for the day. Just a couple lousy interior pics of 2 hrs worth of work.

Kind of a funny side story. So I was about to move the Dakota back off the driveway to its spot of glory near our driveway after working on it, when my wife came out. At this very moment, I had the realization that I had no seat to sit on anymore. Hmm...I grabbed a 1 gallon paint can and rode on that. She thinks (and knows) that I am nuts.
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:18 PM   #34
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Oh, and it pains me to tell this part of the story. After having it posted on Craigslist for months and several FB groups with zero interest, I finally decided to just send the 1947 KB5 frame and drive train to the scrap yard. My son and I moved it out to the road and he had a buddy come with a trailer and haul it off. Happy to have the space back at the house, but kinda shed a tear for the old girl. My son sent me this pic.
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:19 PM   #35
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Here is one before they came to get her.
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I went out Sunday afternoon (should have stuck with keeping the Sabbath holy) to work some on it. It would not idle. Would start and then die. Start and die. Had to keep it above 1k rpms. Was very frustrated and confused. Had I cut a necessary wire? Was it the plug wires, throttle butterfly, plugs, old fuel, distributor cap, rotation of the earth?

The battery would barely turn it over. Finally would just click the solenoid. Frustrated I threw the new trolling motor battery in that I knew was fully charged.

Cranked it--it started--it idled like a champ!!! I read later that night on a dodge forum that some of the computers require like 13.1 V or they wig out. I would not have believed it had I not experienced it.

After I "fixed" it, I forgot my paint bucket and drove it back to its place of glory just sitting on the floor and barely looking over the dash.
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:50 PM   #37
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Oh, and it pains me to tell this part of the story.
Consider it kind of like a hip or knee replacement. You're replacing the parts that don't work well anymore, but your still keeping the old body up and moving!

Can't wait to see it finished.
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Old 07-18-2019, 04:48 PM   #38
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super cool idea
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Here is one before they came to get her.
Should of kept the wheels at least
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Should of kept the wheels at least
Those would have looked really cool cleaned up and powder coated matte black and chrome nuts with a new set of shoes
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Thread potential level: epic.

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