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Looks like the OLD Man has found a new supplier for his HGH and Roids
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swing looked aesthetically fluid and healthy, his transition's were smooth and on plane, that ball never got off line much as all, his bad misses were still ok....if he stays healthy and can practice, he will 5-8 times in the next two years...he's still the smartest golfer on the course when he plays.....
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Lots of people eating Crow lately when it comes to Tiger. All those expert sports analysts that said he was done and washed up a few years ago are burying their heads in the sand. Tiger winning again is good for the game of golf, period.
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He sure looked calm out there Sunday and seems to have regained his mental toughness. Wouldn't be surprised if he contended for player of the year in 2020 and contended for world #1 again. It is great for golf and at least for me, he makes watching golf a whole lot more exciting. Would absolutely love it if he could reach 18 majors before he retires and put the GOAT argument to rest until someone new enters the equation - which is probably a decade away at the very earliest.
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Lots of people eating Crow lately when it comes to Tiger. All those expert sports analysts that said he was done and washed up a few years ago are burying their heads in the sand. Tiger winning again is good for the game of golf, period.

Like Brandle Chamblee ?
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I donít think you can label Tiger the GOAT. Yet. Heís still behind Jack in major wins. And heís behind San Sneed for most tour wins. It was good to see him win yesterday, and I donít dislike him as much now as I used to.






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His has a long road to beat Jack but is one closer. Tiger keeps people glued to the TV which equals $$.
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I sure as hell do.....

He's the only golfer and one of a very few athletes who transcended their sport to "one name fame." He drives eyeballs and that's important, very important, to help avert golf's slide back to niche' sport classification. (Which it probably will anyway once he's out the door)
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G.O.A.T and still playing at an extremely high level.
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Gets to 18 and a tie and he's the inarguable GOAT..... Until then, HIGHLY arguable....
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I donít particularly like the guy, but heís the best that has ever played the game.


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I understand that he was once one of the best ever, but... BYE!!
He's done. I listen to and watch a lot of golf and I'm sick of hearing his name. He is a washed up has been that will never win another tourney. Can we stop glossing him already. I don't care what club he's swinging, what ball he's hitting, or what shirt he's wearing. The game is going to be just fine without him.
Does anybody even care if he comes back???
Who? I was playing golf at 18 when I was not roofing houses. I have played RiverCrest and a few clubs in Tarrant County.

One day I found a bow and I never looked back. Golf is queer and my ancestors invented it. I am proud of our Border Collies though.
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Dont get me wrong, my dream was to play my age and I have a few years. lol
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Wut?
Don't get me wrong. I played golf before I picked up a bow. Bowhunting is cheaper.

I was a scratch golfer.

Golf has just turned weird.

All sports have turned weird, except bowhunting.

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Gotta win 18....just tie in overall majors.... then IMOP it's undisputed.... until then. nope
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Gotta win 18....just tie in overall majors.... then IMOP it's undisputed.... until then. nope


So 18 is the main underlying number that makes a golfer the greatest of all time?

Letís talk numbers then, first off lets just say if Tiger never broke his back or only had half of the 100+ procedures done to his body, he wouldíve had easily 12-16 more major starts

Heís winning 1-4 of those, plus he wouldíve had 100 plus tour victoryís

Second his cut streak will never be beaten, 142 cuts made is 30 better than 2nd place; this streak is one of the most underrated stat of his career

His winning percentage is 9% better than jacks

He had 3 separate hall of fame seasons

He won 9 of 12 golf tournaments twice in his career

4 majors in a row

And from 2000-2009 there hasnít been a more dominant golfer in golf history


Jack didnít get injured like tiger and was just a more consistent golfer but Tiger without a doubt was a more dominant golfer and should be considered the greatest of all time


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Hush now GG22........that is too much like true FACTS!!! Little known PGA gem.....70% or so of pro card holders have a 20+ year career and win less than 10 times in there entire career.

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So 18 is the main underlying number that makes a golfer the greatest of all time?

Letís talk numbers then, first off lets just say if Tiger never broke his back or only had half of the 100+ procedures done to his body, he wouldíve had easily 12-16 more major starts

Heís winning 1-4 of those, plus he wouldíve had 100 plus tour victoryís

Second his cut streak will never be beaten, 142 cuts made is 30 better than 2nd place; this streak is one of the most underrated stat of his career

His winning percentage is 9% better than jacks

He had 3 separate hall of fame seasons

He won 9 of 12 golf tournaments twice in his career

4 majors in a row

And from 2000-2009 there hasnít been a more dominant golfer in golf history


Jack didnít get injured like tiger and was just a more consistent golfer but Tiger without a doubt was a more dominant golfer and should be considered the greatest of all time


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Hush now GG22........that is too much like true FACTS!!! Little known PGA gem.....70% or so of pro card holders have a 20+ year career and win less than 10 times in there entire career.

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While I understand your argument, Jack himself called this pretty early in Tiger's career. I'm paraphrasing, so you'll have to trust me, but he basically said "Tiger is an amazing golfer with the ability to break my record, but ability is not always enough. Right now he's young, single and healthy. Let's see how he plays with a wife and kids at home while he's on the road and later in age when injuries start coming". That kinda proved to be prophetic.

18 has always been the standard, and I don't think it's fair to minimize it now just because Tiger may not reach it. I still think he can if he plays like he has been lately....so does Jack.
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So 18 is the main underlying number that makes a golfer the greatest of all time?

Let’s talk numbers then, first off lets just say if Tiger never broke his back or only had half of the 100+ procedures done to his body, he would’ve had easily 12-16 more major starts

He’s winning 1-4 of those, plus he would’ve had 100 plus tour victory’s

Second his cut streak will never be beaten, 142 cuts made is 30 better than 2nd place; this streak is one of the most underrated stat of his career

His winning percentage is 9% better than jacks

He had 3 separate hall of fame seasons

He won 9 of 12 golf tournaments twice in his career

4 majors in a row

And from 2000-2009 there hasn’t been a more dominant golfer in golf history


Jack didn’t get injured like tiger and was just a more consistent golfer but Tiger without a doubt was a more dominant golfer and should be considered the greatest of all time


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Ok..... before I get going I'm going to let you know something......

I have great, great respect for Tiger Woods and everything he's accomplished. I want to make that crystal clear.

Secondly, unlike many, I don't think he needs to win 19 to be the GOAT. IMOP he simply needs to tie.

Thirdly, I realize you have zero idea regarding my history with the game of golf, but, it's pretty extensive and spans 56 years. I've literally been around world class golfers my entire life.

I was mentored by 4 world class players, 3 golfers and 1 tennis player. 2 of the golfers were world top tens with one reaching the summit. The tennis player was as high as world #8. The other golfer who was a teammate of mine at the University of Houston (back when we dominated) won 5 times on the PGA Tour.

I was actually a player of some substance in my own right and have developed over 75 college players, most from ground zero and most D1. Texas Tech, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, MS State, Baylor, AZ State, among them. They've won many national junior events, TX, AR, LA state juniors, etc. I've lost count of the number of US Open, US Am, US Mid-Am qualifiers. Same for club champs, but, 2 years ago there were 7....from NJ to Houston to Little Rock, etc.
We've also developed 4 world top 1000's out of a tin barn in the middle of nowhere. Players I've worked extensively with have won in Australia, Korea, South Africa, and obviously the United States, up to and including the PGA Tour. ALL of this was accomplished without ONE word of self promotion from my mouth, Facebook ad, Twitter post, or even a website.....ALL word of mouth.

Btw, by extensive I don't mean they used my Trackman for ten minutes, I mean where I KNOW I was an integral part of their success and, most importantly, they do as well.

So, when it comes to golf, I've been around......

Now, as to your assertions.....

"There's lies, **** lies, and statistics," and that statement certainly applies to your long list of such.

Believe me, I'm as impressed as ANYone breathing with what Tiger Woods has accomplished. After all, unlike most I actually competed at a pretty high level so I KNOW how difficult it is to win ONE time at the highest level, much less 82 times.
Btw, by your logic then Sam Snead should have been considered the GOAT all these years...btw, he wasn't and isn't in the top 5 of some lists.

However, there is a reason why EVERY professional golfer I've ever known (and it's a loooooooong list) would trade 10 regular events for ONE major championship. A player is remembered in the historical golf record for winning majors, NOT for winning 10 Byron Nelson's. That's why Koepka has designed his entire career around them. (Smart guy)

It's also why every world class player I've ever known has designed their entire year around preparing for 4 tournaments. Every practice session is designed around getting their game to the highest level possible for FOUR weeks per year, not the Houston Open, John Deere, or Viking Classic. (Which are used as prep)

What most don't get is this, once you reach the elite level there are 4 tournaments that truly matter and those tournaments are how a player is measured in the historical record by fellow players.

Jack Nicklaus has 18 and Tiger has 15 so, IMOP, he needs 3 more.....nobody knows this more than Tiger does. Btw, since you're into "statistics," go do a bit of research on Jack Nicklaus's overall major record. Hint.... it's pretty good.

I could go on and on and on, but, I won't. Let's just say we'll agree to disagree and let it go at that. It's subjective anyway......

I hope you ENJOY GREAT success and enjoyment this year in the deer woods....

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Ok.....
Jack Nicklaus has 18 and Tiger has 15 so, IMOP, he needs 3 more.....nobody knows this more than Tiger does. Btw, since you're into "statistics," go do a bit of research on Jack Nicklaus's overall major record. Hint.... it's pretty good.
I already did that for him. It's in post #755 of this thread.....and it is **** impressive.
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Jack's top 7 competitors won 40 majors and 250+ tournaments and are all in the HOF...that's just the Top 7. I have another theory if you'll indulge me. While Tiger's competitors are likely just as gifted, I don't think today's players have the same heart for a simple reason....the insane amount of money that the guy finishing second, fifth or twentieth wins. Guys back then battled each other for victories. Today, if you finish second, you still win a **** King's ransom.

Another argument for Jack being the GOAT is the fact that he not only did he win 18 Majors, but he finished 2nd in 19 other Majors....Woods finish second 6 times. Jack was TOP THREE in 48 Majors....Woods in 24.

I can't argue with anyone that thinks Woods is the GOAT, he's **** hard to critique, but I can sure plead a case for Jack.
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I already did that for him. It's in post #755 of this thread.....and it is **** impressive.
Well, you removed the "joy" of more case prep from his plate.....😉

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Ok..... before I get going I'm going to let you know something......

I have great, great respect for Tiger Woods and everything he's accomplished. I want to make that crystal clear.

Secondly, unlike many, I don't think he needs to win 19 to be the GOAT. IMOP he simply needs to tie.

Thirdly, I realize you have zero idea regarding my history with the game of golf, but, it's pretty extensive and spans 56 years. I've literally been around world class golfers my entire life.

I was mentored by 4 world class players, 3 golfers and 1 tennis player. 2 of the golfers were world top tens with one reaching the summit. The tennis player was as high as world #8. The other golfer who was a teammate of mine at the University of Houston (back when we dominated) won 5 times on the PGA Tour.

I was actually a player of some substance in my own right and have developed over 75 college players, most from ground zero and most D1. They've won many national junior events, TX, AR, LA state juniors, etc. I've lost count of the number of US Open, US Am, US Mid-Am qualifiers. Same for club champs, but, 2 years ago there were 7....from NJ to Houston to Little Rock, etc.
We've also developed 4 world top 1000's out of a tin barn in the middle of nowhere. Players I've worked extensively with have won in Australia, Korea, South Africa, and obviously the United States, up to and including the PGA Tour. ALL of this was accomplished without ONE word of self promotion from my mouth, Facebook ad, Twitter post, or even a website.....ALL word of mouth.


By extensive I don't mean they used my Trackman for ten minutes, I mean where I KNOW I was an integral part of their success and, most importantly, they do as well.

So, when it comes to golf, I've been around......

Now, as to your assertions.....

"There's lies, **** lies, and statistics," and that statement certainly applies to your long list of such.

Believe me, I'm as impressed as ANYone breathing with what Tiger Woods has accomplished. After all, unlike most I actually competed at a pretty high level so I KNOW how difficult it is to win ONE time at the highest level, much less 82 times.
Btw, by your logic then Sam Snead should have been considered the GOAT all these years...btw, he wasn't and isn't in the top 5 of some lists.

However, there is a reason why EVERY professional golfer I've ever known (and it's a loooooooong list) would trade 10 regular events for ONE major championship. A player is remembered in the historical golf record for winning majors, NOT for winning 10 Byron Nelson's. That's why Koepka has designed his entire career around them. (Smart guy)

It's also why every world class player I've ever known has designed their entire year around preparing for 4 tournaments. Every practice session is designed around getting their game to the highest level possible for FOUR weeks per year, not the Houston Open, John Deere, or Viking Classic. (Which are used as prep)

What most don't get is this, once you reach the elite level there are 4 tournaments that truly matter and those tournaments are how a player is measured in the historical record by fellow players.

Jack Nicklaus has 18 and Tiger has 15 so, IMOP, he needs 3 more.....nobody knows this more than Tiger does. Btw, since you're into "statistics," go do a bit of research on Jack Nicklaus's overall major record. Hint.... it's pretty good.

I could go on and on and on, but, I won't. Let's just say we'll agree to disagree and let it go at that. It's subjective anyway......

I hope you ENJOY GREAT success and enjoyment this year in the deer woods....


I got the impression early on, that you had some fairly extensive experience in the pro game at a personal level. I really appreciate you laying it out as you have, as well. I would LOVE to have some beers with you, and hear some stories on the matter.

On the subject of majors, I have to ask your opinion on the depth of the field Jack dealt with, as opposed to Tiger. Obviously there was Arnie and a couple other guys early on. Later came Trevino, Watson, Miller, Ballesteros, and others that donít come immediately to mind.

Tiger seemed to have a few years of easy livin (as a young kid) because he was yarding the best in the game, but there were some great players who never got close then. Then after they changed the courses because of him. Earnie, DL3, Duvall, Vijay, come to mind...Phil!

Then there was the stretch where he had to beat a bunch of guys who built their game because of what he did...and he beat a lot of them.

Then there was the 9 iron to the dome, and the injuries, and the comebacks...

Kind of a lot of overlap and run on stuff, I know.

Long way to ask/say, tiger embarrassed the best in the game when he got in. Then they changed/lengthened a bunch of courses because of him, and he still beat them. Then all the kids who tried to play like him came along, and he beat them for the most part...until...the crash.

I donít think Jack had nearly the week to week competition that tiger did/does.








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If you put 25 year old Jack and Tiger together, with equal gear, on the same course.....do you really think Tiger wouldnít beat him more often than not?

I just donít think so, and I am NOT a Tiger fan..


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Luv to do it sometime Mr Dale and I'll buy.....😉👍

Saw em both up close and personal....tiger in his prime and nicklaus in his.....it's close but I'd give the nod to nicklaus in the majors....not at regular events.

Nicklaus was a MUCH better driver....
Equal with the putter....
Equal with irons....
Not as good with the wedge.....
Not as good with chipping and pitching, but it's fairly close.

What most don't understand is the tougher the tournament the more important driving becomes. Almost all professional golfers of any substance, probably 98%, will tell you the driver is, by far, the most important club in the game at the highest levels. Putting is important once you get it in play. 4 drives OUT of play over 4 days and it's almost impossible to win. It's also almost impossible to develop internal arrogance when you doubt the driver. That's why most of the games historic players were great drivers.

As for your other question regarding the competition each faced.....that ones easy to me.....


The KEY, IMOP, when comparing the latest crop to the historic figures is this.....

NOT to take ANYthing away from Tiger Woods, but, he's never had to beat the likes of Player, Watson, Trevino, Floyd, Palmer, Hogan, Seve, Norman and a BUNCH of others who wouldn't back off. (that's why they're all hall of famers) They were ALL so mentally tough and would spit the bit about once per decade.

Tigers beaten some fine players and more of em, but, those guys have never had to compete and perform to put a winter coat on their daughter. They're unimaginably spoiled and face ZERO life adversity once they reach world class level. A few years back I witnessed a PGA Tour player of no real significance ***** about the COLOR of his BMW courtesy SUV....i kid you not.

There is a BIG difference between worrying about your family eating and what color of Ferrari to buy, Gulfstream or Bombbardier, which section of their mansion to add a wing, or which free Rolex to strap on this am.

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Ok..... before I get going I'm going to let you know something......

I have great, great respect for Tiger Woods and everything he's accomplished. I want to make that crystal clear.

Secondly, unlike many, I don't think he needs to win 19 to be the GOAT. IMOP he simply needs to tie.

Thirdly, I realize you have zero idea regarding my history with the game of golf, but, it's pretty extensive and spans 56 years. I've literally been around world class golfers my entire life.

I was mentored by 4 world class players, 3 golfers and 1 tennis player. 2 of the golfers were world top tens with one reaching the summit. The tennis player was as high as world #8. The other golfer who was a teammate of mine at the University of Houston (back when we dominated) won 5 times on the PGA Tour.

I was actually a player of some substance in my own right and have developed over 75 college players, most from ground zero and most D1. Texas Tech, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, MS State, Baylor, AZ State, among them. They've won many national junior events, TX, AR, LA state juniors, etc. I've lost count of the number of US Open, US Am, US Mid-Am qualifiers. Same for club champs, but, 2 years ago there were 7....from NJ to Houston to Little Rock, etc.
We've also developed 4 world top 1000's out of a tin barn in the middle of nowhere. Players I've worked extensively with have won in Australia, Korea, South Africa, and obviously the United States, up to and including the PGA Tour. ALL of this was accomplished without ONE word of self promotion from my mouth, Facebook ad, Twitter post, or even a website.....ALL word of mouth.

Btw, by extensive I don't mean they used my Trackman for ten minutes, I mean where I KNOW I was an integral part of their success and, most importantly, they do as well.

So, when it comes to golf, I've been around......

Now, as to your assertions.....

"There's lies, **** lies, and statistics," and that statement certainly applies to your long list of such.

Believe me, I'm as impressed as ANYone breathing with what Tiger Woods has accomplished. After all, unlike most I actually competed at a pretty high level so I KNOW how difficult it is to win ONE time at the highest level, much less 82 times.
Btw, by your logic then Sam Snead should have been considered the GOAT all these years...btw, he wasn't and isn't in the top 5 of some lists.

However, there is a reason why EVERY professional golfer I've ever known (and it's a loooooooong list) would trade 10 regular events for ONE major championship. A player is remembered in the historical golf record for winning majors, NOT for winning 10 Byron Nelson's. That's why Koepka has designed his entire career around them. (Smart guy)

It's also why every world class player I've ever known has designed their entire year around preparing for 4 tournaments. Every practice session is designed around getting their game to the highest level possible for FOUR weeks per year, not the Houston Open, John Deere, or Viking Classic. (Which are used as prep)

What most don't get is this, once you reach the elite level there are 4 tournaments that truly matter and those tournaments are how a player is measured in the historical record by fellow players.

Jack Nicklaus has 18 and Tiger has 15 so, IMOP, he needs 3 more.....nobody knows this more than Tiger does. Btw, since you're into "statistics," go do a bit of research on Jack Nicklaus's overall major record. Hint.... it's pretty good.

I could go on and on and on, but, I won't. Let's just say we'll agree to disagree and let it go at that. It's subjective anyway......

I hope you ENJOY GREAT success and enjoyment this year in the deer woods....


Didnít ask about your ďgolf backgroundĒ , Iíve also looked at jacks numbers, Iíve also said jack is the most consistent golfer of all time but it really doesnít matter you could go 1a or 1b with them, theyíre cut above the rest, and I also played on mini pro tours and junior golf since I was 4 so I have a pretty solid background in golf also, was taught by my dad who was a state champion, played division 1 golf with and also played on the Nike tour(Korn ferry tour now) for a couple years
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Saw em both up close and personal....tiger in his prime and nicklaus in his.....it's close but I'd give the nod to nicklaus in the majors....not at regular events.



Nicklaus was a MUCH better driver....

Equal with the putter....

Equal with irons....

Not as good with the wedge.....

Not as good with chipping and pitching, but it's fairly close.



What most don't understand is the tougher the tournament the more important driving becomes. Almost all professional golfers of any substance, probably 98%, will tell you the driver is, by far, the most important club in the game at the highest levels. Putting is important once you get it in play. 4 drives OUT of play over 4 days and it's almost impossible to win. It's also almost impossible to develop internal arrogance when you doubt the driver. That's why most of the games historic players were great drivers.



As for your other question regarding the competition each faced.....that ones easy to me.....





The KEY, IMOP, when comparing the latest crop to the historic figures is this.....



NOT to take ANYthing away from Tiger Woods, but, he's never had to beat the likes of Player, Watson, Trevino, Floyd, Palmer, Hogan, Seve, Norman and a BUNCH of others who wouldn't back off. (that's why they're all hall of famers) They were ALL so mentally tough and would spit the bit about once per decade.



Tigers beaten some fine players and more of em, but, those guys have never had to compete and perform to put a winter coat on their daughter. They're unimaginably spoiled and face ZERO life adversity once they reach world class level. A few years back I witnessed a PGA Tour player of no real significance ***** about the COLOR of his BMW courtesy SUV....i kid you not.



There is a BIG difference between worrying about your family eating and what color of Ferrari to buy, Gulfstream or Bombbardier, which section of their mansion to add a wing, or which free Rolex to strap on this am.


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Ok.....great.....you didn't.... but I provided it to add a bit of perspective.....

But you're simply wrong.....

It's ALL about major wins in all individual sports in order to be the greatest....tennis and golf come to mind immediately.

In fact, if ya want to go down as the best in history, or one of the best, in any sport it's about winning the most important championship/championships in that sport....Daytona.....Indy....super bowl....tour de France....world series etc etc etc. You see the Astros jumping up and down about finishing 2nd last night??? Are the buffalo bills considered an all time great franchise because they won a bunch of division championships, playoff games, made it to 4 straight super bowls, and lost??

Federer and Nidal are battling it out right now.....and the ONLY thing on their minds are the 4 majors....winning em. Regular tournament wins, stats will only matter if they end up tied in major championship wins.

As I've already said a couple of times, if nicklaus and woods both end up with 18 then the GOAT award is tigers all the way IMOP.....until then, nope.

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You girls need to remember this is all opinion. There is no set standard for what makes the greatest golfer of all time. Some say major wins. Some say all time wins. Some will argue it goes much deeper than that. Either way, IT'S ALL OPINION!.
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You girls need to remember this is all opinion. There is no set standard for what makes the greatest golfer of all time. Some say major wins. Some say all time wins. Some will argue it goes much deeper than that. Either way, IT'S ALL OPINION!.
Sir, you're correct in that it's subjective.....like Brady vs Montana, etc.... and I clearly stated that up above.

However, the VAST majority of the actual PLAYERS consider all time major wins to be the single determinant. It's also the single determinant in tennis. which is the closest sport to golf. The players don't care about how many regular tournaments you've won or any other statistic, it's ALL how many times did you win in the 4 major championships.

Not only that, but, major wins in every other sport.....baseball/world series....football/super bowl.... Hockey/Stanley Cup.... Soccer/World Cup.....are the single determinant of the GOAT award amongst the VAST majority.

That is my message.....MY opinion, but also that of the vast majority of the actual participants. (and the majority of the general public)

Btw, in regards to golf, virtually no one considers all time wins other than major championships....

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Sir, you're correct in that it's subjective.....like Brady vs Montana, etc.... and I clearly stated that up above.

However, the VAST majority of the actual PLAYERS consider all time major wins to be the single determinant. It's also the single determinant in tennis. which is the closest sport to golf. The players don't care about how many regular tournaments you've won or any other statistic, it's ALL how many times did you win in the 4 major championships.

Not only that, but, major wins in every other sport.....baseball/world series....football/super bowl.... Hockey/Stanley Cup.... Soccer/World Cup.....are the single determinant of the GOAT award amongst the VAST majority.

That is my message.....MY opinion, but also that of the vast majority of the actual participants.

Btw, in regards to golf, virtually no one considers all time wins other than major championships....


I agree with the majors being the pinnacle but if you actually look at the stats Tiger was more dominant, won at a better percentage rate, the cut streak, all the records he owns itís pretty simple that Tiger was a better golfer, then jack himself Tiger was better but hey you got background in golf so what you say must be true


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This is classic, ' HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW" ??
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I agree with the majors being the pinnacle but if you actually look at the stats Tiger was more dominant, won at a better percentage rate, the cut streak, all the records he owns itís pretty simple that Tiger was a better golfer, then jack himself Tiger was better but hey you got background in golf so what you say must be true


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Hehehe.....ok..... I'm not going to get childish and petty....i don't do that in debates. (Which is what this is)

I've stated my case, credentials, and experience utilized to form my opinions and you've stated yours. (along with many others) In regards to this debate, it's now up to the readers, the "jurors" as in a court case.

I'll end my part with the following....

Tiger was more dominant over a ten year period.....I've said that for many, many years. He was also the single most important player in growing the game well beyond it's traditional fan base, which was VERY important for those of us who derive our living through golf. I'm eternally and extremely grateful for all his hard work and subsequent success.

However, we will see how many major championship wins and his "stats" in regards to his career in 2026. Then I guess we'll know.....😉

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Daggumit.......Tiger should have only played in warm-up tournaments and the majors.....since nothing else matters. He would have been the "official" GOAT fifteen years ago by that gold standard!
As far as earning a living. Times change....thank God!!! 60 years ago Tiger would not even been allowed on a course. My 88 year old dad experienced to many times to count post Korean War thru the 70's. (Thx you Charlie Sifford) In other words......"apples to apples" is a stretch when we agree to just think a little deeper. I'm thrilled the game has soooo much money that a winter coat is not a driving reason to play anymore. Those so-called spoiled PGA elites give millions to charities every year around the world and kids from every corner of the globe are benefiting........amazing work by all involved. I dont know if Tiger will get the last 4 but I dang sure know he "revolutionized" the game while creating more millionaires than the industry has ever phanthomed.

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I just don’t think you can compare them, to many years apart, to many changes to the game, start off with equipment, courses, set ups, greens, fans, social media, coaches for everything. They were both the greatest of there era, but to pin them against each other really isn’t worthy of there careers.
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I just donít think you can compare them, to many years apart, to many changes to the game, start off with equipment, courses, set ups, greens, fans, social media, coaches for everything. They were both the greatest of there era, but to pin them against each other really isnít worthy of there careers.
Yep.....that I agree with 100% . (same with the post above yours.....my first roommate at UofH was a black guy from South Philly.... changed my life forever)

As for your post, the same can be said in regards to comparing Montana vs Brady, LeBron vs Mj, etc.....but we do....😉

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He's not a tiger anymore, He's a Cheetah.
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Yes he's THE GOAT.

No one has ever played the game like he has. Or was a clutch. Or dominated like he did in his prime. If he beats Jack's record too, imo, this debate will be null and void.

No questions asked.



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Lmaooooo!!!!

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THE BEST from his first tour win till PRESENT DAY!

Tiger will be THE BEST for a long long time to come only because the interest that Tiger himself brought to pro golf. He got most of these present day stars started in golf and created this deep pool great players we have today. Today there are way too many really good players for any of them to ever catch him or Jack. No way no how!

Top 2 ALL TIME!

With advances in equipment alone not to mention physical training and course maintenance there is no way to compare yesteryears GREAT players with todays players.

He saved golf from its depression era by himself. He made a lot of other tour players richer. He made the PGA tour richer. He made golf relevant again.

He will drive interest up on the Senior tour when he moves to that platform!

To this day if he is on the leader board and in contention he drives TV ratings up. Brings more fans to the tournament. Peaks interest in the golfing community beyond comprehension!

You can use this ARCHERY HUNTING website as an example. We have had a thread about him that has been going now for a long time.
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Question: What if all of your own great errors were made public? Even the ones you hold secret?

What? Excuses? What?
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Just started reading the Tiger Woods book today, I've heard its awesome
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Good for the new Tiger. He was having fun with his captains picks yesterday. He said something like, as captain I pick Tiger Woods with the last pick. Then talked about himself in third person. The old Tiger never would have had fun with any of it. Our last pick for the good ole USA is only the sixth ranked player in the world.

GO USA!
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Who is Tiger Woods?
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Who is Tiger Woods?
Who is John Gault???

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