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Old 12-09-2019, 03:48 PM   #51
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Maybe he has some Wolverine or Deapool like powers. can just heal himself instantly lol
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Old 12-09-2019, 03:54 PM   #52
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That is some kind of crazy. Poor kiddo has probably been losing his mind. At least this should give him some peace of mind to sleep at night.
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Old 12-09-2019, 04:00 PM   #53
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Only thing I got is that he may have had his head down feeding when shot. When he heard the shot, his head may have gone almost between his two front legs while dipping to push off. This would have pushed his vitals way back, allowing the arrow to still go through both shoulders, but in front of the good stuff. Just a theory.
This is my thought as well. If he really loaded up to run/jump his shoulders (which float with respect to the rib cage) may have been much higher and further forward than the vitals
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Old 12-09-2019, 04:12 PM   #54
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This is my thought as well. If he really loaded up to run/jump his shoulders (which float with respect to the rib cage) may have been much higher and further forward than the vitals
I think this is possible. Check out these deer jumping the string. Look how far forward the shoulders go when the second deer drops. Good theory.
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Old 12-09-2019, 04:14 PM   #55
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Old 12-09-2019, 04:16 PM   #56
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Dull head

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Old 12-09-2019, 05:58 PM   #57
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I wanted to say this but was afraid I'd be crucified by the masses. I think the vitals were just missed. Just my opinion.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:09 PM   #58
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This is my thought as well. If he really loaded up to run/jump his shoulders (which float with respect to the rib cage) may have been much higher and further forward than the vitals
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:11 PM   #59
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Too far forward and high.....but I'm sure that was said already.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:25 PM   #60
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So much for the "deadly V"..lol
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:27 PM   #61
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It's not high enough to be in the void
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:28 PM   #62
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A field point should kill with that shot placement
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Old 12-09-2019, 08:54 PM   #63
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So much for the "deadly V"..lol


I hope he gets this buck this week. I just gotta know. I mean obviously no vitals were hit, but my gosh that looks like a dead deer shot in those pictures. Hell he has a video on his cell phone of the kill shot. That night we went over and over that video and were convinced this buck was dead. Just amazing. Personally if I hadnít seen these pics I would not believe it.


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Old 12-09-2019, 10:32 PM   #64
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Interesting. Hope you get another chance at him
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Old 12-09-2019, 10:42 PM   #65
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Only thing I got is that he may have had his head down feeding when shot. When he heard the shot, his head may have gone almost between his two front legs while dipping to push off. This would have pushed his vitals way back, allowing the arrow to still go through both shoulders, but in front of the good stuff. Just a theory.


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Old 12-09-2019, 10:59 PM   #66
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That looks high and forward to me.


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Agree, especially in the 2nd pic. He's probably limping pretty good.
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Old 12-10-2019, 12:17 AM   #67
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Keep telling yourself it exists
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Old 12-10-2019, 05:11 AM   #68
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Vitals missed. Easy.
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Old 12-10-2019, 06:51 AM   #69
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Dull blades on the broadhead!


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Old 12-10-2019, 06:54 AM   #70
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It was sharp enough to be a complete pass through


You can pass a field point through but it wont cause enough bleeding to finish that deer off.


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Old 12-10-2019, 08:41 AM   #71
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It's funny how folks don't understand how import a shaving sharp broadhead is.

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Old 12-10-2019, 08:50 AM   #72
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I hear folks all the time talk about how "tough" critters are. There is nothing tough about any of them if you cut through enough of their vascular system. Nothing is tough without adequate oxygen being transported to the brain.

Shot looks good. Obviously the blades did not deploy and not much of significance was cut or torn. Sucks.
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:54 AM   #73
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Yep right in the void!
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:56 AM   #74
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:57 AM   #75
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I hope he gets this buck this week. I just gotta know. I mean obviously no vitals were hit, but my gosh that looks like a dead deer shot in those pictures. Hell he has a video on his cell phone of the kill shot. That night we went over and over that video and were convinced this buck was dead. Just amazing. Personally if I hadnít seen these pics I would not believe it.


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Our friend hit a doe in the "sweet spot" of the highly touted deadly v over Thanksgiving. She went pretty far. No blood trail. Luckily the dog found her. He barely nicked the front of the lung. A half inch forward and we wouldn't have recovered her at all.

I'm in favor of the average bowhunter aiming for a spot on a broadside or quartering away whitetail that gives him the highest probability of making a lethal and recoverable shot, while minimizing the risk of hitting the scapula, brisket or leg.

No argument from me...the ">" is an extremely lethal shot. Especially on larger game and certain species where the vitals are higher up in the body but the margin for error is smaller with that shot. It's easy for the deer to be turned a certain way or his leg position to be slightly forward or back that can alter the perceived aiming point. Same can happen when aiming for the crease behind the shoulder but the kill zone is larger. Worst case scenario, you get back of lung, liver, or paunch and it's still recoverable.

I'm not a fan of shooting them "in the shoulder" with a bow but that's just me. Gun is a different story.
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Old 12-10-2019, 11:59 AM   #76
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Old 12-10-2019, 12:17 PM   #77
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The mythical void that gets blames when people make a bad shot....basically.

There is a long held belief that there is a gap between the lungs and the spine. There is not. That is not how breathing works. People do not realize how low the spine is and shoot over it and blame it on the void. That is not the case in this scenario.
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Old 12-10-2019, 12:19 PM   #78
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What void?
You know, the one that doesn't exist in their anatomy.

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Old 12-10-2019, 02:14 PM   #79
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zombie buck!
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Old 12-10-2019, 02:16 PM   #80
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You know, the one that doesn't exist in their anatomy.

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They do have lobes, maybe it slipped or just nicked that interface between the lobes.
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Old 12-10-2019, 03:04 PM   #81
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It's funny how folks don't understand how import a shaving sharp broadhead is.

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It's funny how people don't understand how pneumothorax works.
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Old 12-10-2019, 03:16 PM   #82
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It's funny how people don't understand how pneumothorax works.
Exactly what I was thinking! After I looked up that crazy word. Still think itís a Super Fluke!
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Old 12-10-2019, 03:45 PM   #83
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Exactly what I was thinking! After I looked up that crazy word. Still think itís a Super Fluke!
Something weird happened but it wasn't do to a dull broadhead.
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Old 12-10-2019, 03:58 PM   #84
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I think this is possible. Check out these deer jumping the string. Look how far forward the shoulders go when the second deer drops. Good theory.
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She is clearly Shooting way high in that video..
The arrow is past the deer, over its back, before it ever gets close to the center of the projected circle.. She was shooting high by 10"-12". The bow was not the issue.. Shooting skills were the issue..
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Old 12-10-2019, 04:18 PM   #85
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Old 12-10-2019, 04:18 PM   #86
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So this buck I killed two years ago, he was a 7 year old buck. In the trail cam pictures you can see a white dot on either side of his body. After I killed him I inspected these areas to find a three blade broad head scar. The wound was old at least over a year old. Void?







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Old 12-10-2019, 04:35 PM   #87
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So this buck I killed two years ago, he was a 7 year old buck. In the trail cam pictures you can see a white dot on either side of his body. After I killed him I inspected these areas to find a three blade broad head scar. The wound was old at least over a year old. Void?







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Nothing in that area that will kill them.
Saw one several years ago with an arrow just below those scars with the arrow still in him and he was full speed chasing does
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Old 12-10-2019, 04:48 PM   #88
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So this buck I killed two years ago, he was a 7 year old buck. In the trail cam pictures you can see a white dot on either side of his body. After I killed him I inspected these areas to find a three blade broad head scar. The wound was old at least over a year old. Void?
Refer to the image I posted above. The previous shot on that buck was most likely above the spine, so primarily damaged backstrap and nothing vital.
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Old 12-10-2019, 04:50 PM   #89
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Refer to the image I posted above. The previous shot on that buck was most likely above the spine, so primarily damaged backstrap and nothing vital.
Correct.
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Old 12-10-2019, 04:51 PM   #90
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They do have lobes, maybe it slipped or just nicked that interface between the lobes.
Not likely. The lungs are in a vacuum chamber within the chest, so while there are lobes separating parts of each lung there's not really any space between them in the chest.
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Old 12-10-2019, 05:00 PM   #91
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Old 12-10-2019, 05:10 PM   #92
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If that was a 3D foam deer, I'd give it to you. IMO Too high of a spot to aim with a bow. Great rifle shot entry/exit.

My guess, based on the 2 holes I think I am supposed to be looking at and the fact that it is still alive is a completely ducked/loaded deer who has both shoulders load high up and forward with your arrow passing through where the backstrap meets the neck muscle.

next time you have a warm dead deer on the skinning rack, take both shoulders and roll them forward and you can see the alignment I am talking about. Remember, the shoulder isn't actually physically attached to the animal by another bone... just ligaments and muscle... it is what makes them ninjas!!!
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Old 12-10-2019, 05:27 PM   #93
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She is clearly Shooting way high in that video..
The arrow is past the deer, over its back, before it ever gets close to the center of the projected circle.. She was shooting high by 10"-12". The bow was not the issue.. Shooting skills were the issue..
the point of the video was to show how far forward the shoulders move in relation to the chest when the deer drop at the sound of the shot.....still doesn't explain a sucking chest wound on both sides if in fact there is a hole in the chest cavity, the lungs should collapse.
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Old 12-10-2019, 05:29 PM   #94
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Let me guess... Rage?




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Old 12-10-2019, 05:34 PM   #95
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Deer has crazy weird anatomy or photoshop prank.....guys saying it's to high and forward, i'm not seeing it.
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Old 12-11-2019, 06:25 AM   #96
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Well heís headed to the blind this morning hope he gets him.


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Old 12-11-2019, 08:54 AM   #97
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Old 12-11-2019, 09:04 AM   #98
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I wanted to say this but was afraid I'd be crucified by the masses. I think the vitals were just missed. Just my opinion.
Yup, looks too far forward to me as well.

Good luck getting on him again.

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Old 12-11-2019, 09:18 AM   #99
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Very bizarre.
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Old 12-11-2019, 10:16 AM   #100
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Looks touch high and a touch a couple inches forward. My guess above the heart and ahead of the lungs, luckily for the deer missed any arteries. Could of killed him but 1/100000 shot that just missed anything vital.


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