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Old 04-08-2019, 10:49 AM   #151
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Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite unit as the Navy SEALs who killed former Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war against the Taliban.

The warriors/heroes that took out OBL ended up being gunned down always seemed odd to me. A lot of things about it didnt make sense.

I think the corruption made it ways to the very very top, and dragging it out on the table is going to be very hard, and probably deadly for those involved.
My best friend was on that Chinook that got shot down. It was August 6th, 2011 in Wardak Province, Afghanistan. His name was Stephen "Matt" Mills. ST6 is true ****** warriors but the team that was shot down that day was a different color team than what killed OBL. I was @ his wedding in Bastrop, along w/3 other ST6 guys that died during that mission (Extortion 17) the day OBL was killed, so I know for a fact it was a different color squad. Even though they were a different color squad of ST6, I truly feel they were set up by the Obama administration as trade bait for OBL. There's been congressional hearing over that mission but the government refuses to answer any questions. Etortion 17 (odd name for that mission, isn't it) was a total crock of **** & somebody needs to pay for it.
The one they say "was ejected & still alive" was my buddy, Matt.
https://www.circa.com/story/2017/04/...-chopper-crash
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Old 04-08-2019, 01:26 PM   #152
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Thanks for posting the link and your experience. I dont doubt their has been misinformation leaked.

To me it is just odd that you would that many soldiers in a Chinook in such a hot area.
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Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite unit as the Navy SEALs who killed former Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war against the Taliban.

The warriors/heroes that took out OBL ended up being gunned down always seemed odd to me. A lot of things about it didnt make sense.

I think the corruption made it ways to the very very top, and dragging it out on the table is going to be very hard, and probably deadly for those involved.
Odd is putting it nicely unless you believe it was just coincidence!!
My question has always been "why where they assassinated? What did they know and who didn't want that to get out?? Where's the body? I put NOTHING past that addministration.. But remember the Benghazi massacre was because of a video tape!!!
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My best friend was on that Chinook that got shot down. It was August 6th, 2011 in Wardak Province, Afghanistan. His name was Stephen "Matt" Mills. ST6 is true ****** warriors but the team that was shot down that day was a different color team than what killed OBL. I was @ his wedding in Bastrop, along w/3 other ST6 guys that died during that mission (Extortion 17) the day OBL was killed, so I know for a fact it was a different color squad. Even though they were a different color squad of ST6, I truly feel they were set up by the Obama administration as trade bait for OBL. There's been congressional hearing over that mission but the government refuses to answer any questions. Etortion 17 (odd name for that mission, isn't it) was a total crock of **** & somebody needs to pay for it.
The one they say "was ejected & still alive" was my buddy, Matt.
https://www.circa.com/story/2017/04/...-chopper-crash
Extortion 17.. Wow. That fits the MO of that addmin to T. All smoke and mirrors..
Lies, lies and more lies.. Nothing but 8 years of lies. They lied about everything!!!! And still do..
Sorry to hear about your friend..
I'm 110% in agreement that those in charge at the time of this should pay..

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Old 04-08-2019, 03:21 PM   #155
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Before that I never believed they actually got OBL Most wanted man on planet earth and you keep no evidence? A blind man could see through that one.
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:16 PM   #156
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Before that I never believed they actually got OBL Most wanted man on planet earth and you keep no evidence? A blind man could see through that one.
It was the night after his wedding & I was VERY hung over. As soon as I heard, I called him. He was ****** because that was his "super bowl" & he didn't get to attend! He talked to someone that I'm not privy to & it was confirmed. He wasn't able to tell me everything about work (for obvious reasons) but I don't think he would've made up any stories about OBL. That was his entire career up to that point, was getting OBL. All ST6 (they actually go by DEVGRU but the news called them ST6 so that's what everyone knows them as) does is counter terrorism. They are EXTREMELY bad *** @ it & very effective.
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Thanks for posting the link and your experience. I dont doubt their has been misinformation leaked.

To me it is just odd that you would that many soldiers in a Chinook in such a hot area.
The same thing happened a few times during the WOT. Things don't always go as planned. All it takes is one lucky shot.
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The same thing happened a few times during the WOT.
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My best friend was on that Chinook that got shot down. It was August 6th, 2011 in Wardak Province, Afghanistan. His name was Stephen "Matt" Mills. ST6 is true ****** warriors but the team that was shot down that day was a different color team than what killed OBL. I was @ his wedding in Bastrop, along w/3 other ST6 guys that died during that mission (Extortion 17) the day OBL was killed, so I know for a fact it was a different color squad. Even though they were a different color squad of ST6, I truly feel they were set up by the Obama administration as trade bait for OBL. There's been congressional hearing over that mission but the government refuses to answer any questions. Etortion 17 (odd name for that mission, isn't it) was a total crock of **** & somebody needs to pay for it.
The one they say "was ejected & still alive" was my buddy, Matt.
https://www.circa.com/story/2017/04/...-chopper-crash
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Odd is putting it nicely unless you believe it was just coincidence!!
My question has always been "why where they assassinated? What did they know and who didn't want that to get out?? Where's the body? I put NOTHING past that addministration.. But remember the Benghazi massacre was because of a video tape!!!
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Before that I never believed they actually got OBL Most wanted man on planet earth and you keep no evidence? A blind man could see through that one.
I was on the USS Carl Vinson when we dumped his body into the ocean. Only officers were allowed to see the body, the Executive Officer had 4 90 pound dumbbells brought down from the gyms and they chained them to the body before pushing it over. The facts I can tell you is there was an Osprey and a SEAL TEAM that came with a body bag that was full. We went DIW and into a special sea and anchor detail while the autopsy was done, I was the TOP supervisor during special sea and anchor details and was called out of my rack after getting off watch an hour prior to go man this detail. Hangar bay 3 was closed and they had every entrance guarded by ship security.
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Old 04-10-2019, 11:14 AM   #161
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It was the night after his wedding & I was VERY hung over. As soon as I heard, I called him. He was ****** because that was his "super bowl" & he didn't get to attend! He talked to someone that I'm not privy to & it was confirmed. He wasn't able to tell me everything about work (for obvious reasons) but I don't think he would've made up any stories about OBL. That was his entire career up to that point, was getting OBL. All ST6 (they actually go by DEVGRU but the news called them ST6 so that's what everyone knows them as) does is counter terrorism. They are EXTREMELY bad *** @ it & very effective.

Right on because technically "SEAL team 6" is off the books. When I was stationed in San Diego I hung out at this dive bar in Imperial Beach and they had all of the SEAL teams listed and a bunch of Class pictures, skips ST6.
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Old 04-10-2019, 12:42 PM   #162
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The look on the dems face was priceless when Barr told them he knew there was spying on the Trump campaign and he was investigating.
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The look on the dems face was priceless when Barr told them he knew there was spying on the Trump campaign and he was investigating.
It was priceless and I don't think this is going to be going away anytime soon.
I'm still hopefully that heads will roll.

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Old 04-10-2019, 01:53 PM   #164
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It was a beautiful thing!
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Old 04-10-2019, 02:43 PM   #165
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I was on the USS Carl Vinson when we dumped his body into the ocean. Only officers were allowed to see the body, the Executive Officer had 4 90 pound dumbbells brought down from the gyms and they chained them to the body before pushing it over. The facts I can tell you is there was an Osprey and a SEAL TEAM that came with a body bag that was full. We went DIW and into a special sea and anchor detail while the autopsy was done, I was the TOP supervisor during special sea and anchor details and was called out of my rack after getting off watch an hour prior to go man this detail. Hangar bay 3 was closed and they had every entrance guarded by ship security.
For what reason would only certain individuals be allowed to see his body???
I'm not doubting YOUR story that a "body" was dumped but why all the viewing privilege and secrecy?? What would be the big deal around this? It makes no sense unless they were trying to hide something..
Call me sceptical but there is something very, very fishy about that and considering who was in charge at the time makes me even that much more skeptical..
Hell Sadam Hussein's bloody face was plastered all of the media for weeks..
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For what reason would only certain individuals be allowed to see his body???
I'm not doubting YOUR story that a "body" was dumped but why all the viewing privilege and secrecy?? What would be the big deal around this? It makes no sense unless they were trying to hide something..
Call me sceptical but there is something very, very fishy about that and considering who was in charge at the time makes me even that much more skeptical..
Hell Sadam Hussein's bloody face was plastered all of the media for weeks..
I don't disagree with you, there was a lot of skeptics on the ship... I just stated the facts that I know. I have no clue who was in the bag.
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If osama was still alive he would've been on the Pakistani tv the next night calling out America. Same with the 9/11 hijackers who are supposedly still alive.
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If osama was still alive he would've been on the Pakistani tv the next night calling out America. Same with the 9/11 hijackers who are supposedly still alive.
Not if he's in a bunker chained down... Or a million other places.

All I know is it's real fishy they didn't show the entire world proof that he was dead. If the entire planet ever needed proof of a death it was OBL.

And he's one of the only people where proof was not shown? Really?

None of us will ever know the truth IMO
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Not if he's in a bunker chained down... Or a million other places.

All I know is it's real fishy they didn't show the entire world proof that he was dead. If the entire planet ever needed proof of a death it was OBL.

And he's one of the only people where proof was not shown? Really?

None of us will ever know the truth IMO
Who has him chained down and why? The world would explode if it came out he was still alive. All of the Middle East, Russia, and 90% of the planet would give anything possible to expose the US with something like that.

I don't disagree some type of proof would help 1% of people. Everyone else would have the same opinion as they do now. If you believe he's dead you say, yep that's a picture of dead osama. If you believe he's alive; that's not him, body double, photoshop, stunt double, etc.
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There is a photo. Is it really him? Idk but sure looks like him.
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If osama was still alive he would've been on the Pakistani tv the next night calling out America. Same with the 9/11 hijackers who are supposedly still alive.

Naw, Not if Barry HUSSEIN Obama promised the most wanted man on the planet a new, free life, plus untold sums of cash, if he would agree to make his administration look good by agreeing to pretend to be dead and dissapear from the face of the earth forever. A total identity change... Hell he is probably living in the US running a chain of brushless car washes.. LOL Ive never believed he is dead and still don't. Why would anyone believe Hillary or Barry??

Heck with the limited amount of evidence/proof that the crookedest admin in US history provided you couldn't even get a conviction in a court of law yet millions bought it hook, line, and sinker...
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Who has him chained down and why? The world would explode if it came out he was still alive. All of the Middle East, Russia, and 90% of the planet would give anything possible to expose the US with something like that.

I don't disagree some type of proof would help 1% of people. Everyone else would have the same opinion as they do now. If you believe he's dead you say, yep that's a picture of dead osama. If you believe he's alive; that's not him, body double, photoshop, stunt double, etc.
If he came out today and could PROVE himself to still be alive 3/4 of this country would never believe it at this point.. The narrative was set in stone.. Done. Mission accomplished.. That what they do.. They bend folks minds with lies..
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There is a photo. Is it really him? Idk but sure looks like him.
A Bobcat resembles a Ocelot too.. We see how many get that totally wrong..
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I don't disagree with you, there was a lot of skeptics on the ship... I just stated the facts that I know. I have no clue who was in the bag.
I'm glad to see that there were Skeptics on the ship.. For good reason.. I would have been right there with them..
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Naw, Not if Barry HUSSEIN Obama promised the most wanted man on the planet a new, free life, plus untold sums of cash, if he would agree to make his administration look good by agreeing to pretend to be dead and dissapear from the face of the earth forever. A total identity change... Hell he is probably living in the US running a chain of brushless car washes.. LOL Ive never believed he is dead and still don't. Why would anyone believe Hillary or Barry??



Heck with the limited amount of evidence/proof that the crookedest admin in US history provided you couldn't even get a conviction in a court of law yet millions bought it hook, line, and sinker...
So you're saying Osama would choose cash over proving the biggest hoax of the century while simultaneously causing a huge ****storm for the country he hates more than any other?

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So you're saying Osama would choose cash over proving the biggest hoax of the century while simultaneously causing a huge ****storm for the country he hates more than any other?

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I'm thinking more along the lines of he chose his LIFE with the garauntee never to be hunted again because he doesn't "exist" any longer.. Erased.. It can happen..
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I'm thinking more along the lines of he chose his LIFE with the garauntee never to be hunted again because he doesn't "exist" any longer.. Erased.. It can happen..
Oh I know it can happen. I just don't think he's a guy that would go for it. He's also not a guy that can be trusted to stick to terms. Maybe if he had an ankle bracelet that would stick him with a lethal injection if he left his private island.

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I will say one thing: I am SHOCKED that pictures have never been leaked. With all of the corruption, and all of the lies, and all of the leaks of confidential and classified information during the obama administration...how were no pictures or proof of death leaked? Leaking classified information was obama’s MO, I’m just shocked no other details came out
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I do not see the deep-state crumbling, maybe some negative press, not much else.
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The only thing crumbling is the middle class. We can't continue to allow politicians to sit around DC and just line their pockets with green while the middle class carries the load of the overwhelming tax burden.
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I do not see the deep-state crumbling, maybe some negative press, not much else.
I tell myself it took a while to get built up and it will take a while to get torn down. I don't know maybe it's me wanting it more so than its going to happen.

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Lone survivor incident, Anaconda. I don't think there were AS many people on each helo, but still quite a few. Weren't they all acting as QRFs?
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Lone survivor incident, Anaconda. I don't think there were AS many people on each helo, but still quite a few. Weren't they all acting as QRFs?
Operation red wing - 19

Operaton anaconda - 8 (7 in battle)...this operation was a $h!t show
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Operation red wing - 19

Operaton anaconda - 8 (7 in battle)...this operation was a $h!t show
How many were actually in the helo that was shot down? Or were there more than one? I can't remember.
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Lone survivor incident, Anaconda. I don't think there were AS many people on each helo, but still quite a few. Weren't they all acting as QRFs?
Lone Survivor guys were QRF's, I don't think the original SEAL that was killed in Anaconda was QRF, but QRF guys ended up getting killed looking for the SEAL.
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How many were actually in the helo that was shot down? Or were there more than one? I can't remember.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Anaconda

You'll have to scroll down to March 3rd-4th..

This was a HUGE operation and when the first Chinook went in with the SEAL team they were shot, but crash landed safely. One of the SEALs fell out when it was shot. They sent in multiple QRF teams. I think a total of 2 Chinooks were "shot down" (controlled crash landings). Most of the casualties were from small arms fire. I think 3 rangers got killed getting off of the helo, and one gunner from a helo was killed as well.
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Old 04-11-2019, 08:34 AM   #187
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The saying goes cant hang yourself if you aint got enough rope... I think the same holds true if you got too much rope.

Them politicians in DC have wayyy too much rope they cant be removed. Honestly I really hope all the players of the fiasco's over the last 10 years pay for what they have done, but I wont be surprised if they don't. It's going to take the people to rise up against the tyrannical players and rid them of the earth as crazy and brutal as that sounds.
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Here we boyssss...

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Meh. Same thing they popped Manafort for. It's BS. Something tells me this is nothing more than scraps to say "see! it's all equal and fair! let's all move on now!".
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Old 04-11-2019, 08:49 AM   #190
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Meh. Same thing they popped Manafort for. It's BS. Something tells me this is nothing more than scraps to say "see! it's all equal and fair! let's all move on now!".
Or, it's possibly just the first step? The same road map the Democrats envisioned things taking with Trump? Time will tell. Odds are, you're are right though, if we go by what history tells us.
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The only thing crumbling is the middle class. We can't continue to allow politicians to sit around DC and just line their pockets with green while the middle class carries the load of the overwhelming tax burden.
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The arrest of WikiLeaks founder today may play in as well.
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I love the optimism some of you fellers have, but I just don’t think it will happen.
I will gladly eat crow if it does.
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I find this William Barr email from 2017 to a NYT reporter very encouraging.

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I find this William Barr email from 2017 to a NYT reporter very encouraging.

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Whoa..... hope it happens.
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Well it's been almost 2 months since I started this thread but I get the sense that the democrats are starting to feel the tectonic plates beneath them are starting to shift. This investigation appears to be gaining momentum as the attacks on AG Barr are ramping up and they are in panic mode.

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Well it's been almost 2 months since I started this thread but I get the sense that the democrats are starting to feel the tectonic plates beneath them are starting to shift. This investigation appears to be gaining momentum as the attacks on AG Barr are ramping up and they are in panic mode.

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Democrats are extremely nervous right now. They know a tsunami is coming and the dogs barking the loudest are likely to get swept away. Attack and deflect is all they have left.
Barr IS the Honey Badger and he don't care.
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Good Lord, I hope y'all are right!! Don't have much confidence, but I hope...
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Democrats are extremely nervous right now. They know a tsunami is coming and the dogs barking the loudest are likely to get swept away. Attack and deflect is all they have left.
Barr IS the Honey Badger and he don't care.
Yessir! This is a hilarious exchange.

Good stuff at 3:40


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