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Old 05-17-2019, 06:18 PM   #1
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Can I swap my upper and stock and be legal without any paper work?

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Old 05-17-2019, 06:28 PM   #2
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:32 PM   #3
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I say....constitutionally, all firearms area legal. Suck it, ATF!
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:37 PM   #4
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False. It is illegal to change a factory rifle to a pistol.
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:40 PM   #5
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False. It is illegal to change a factory rifle to a pistol.
Technically BearStrike is correct. Doesnít seem to be a issue these days, but he is right.
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:41 PM   #6
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I sell guns for a living. I hope I know what I'm talking about lol
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:48 PM   #7
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My question is: why would you want to do that?
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:50 PM   #8
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My question is: why would you want to do that?
Because i want to....

Edit: If it was legal why not? I could just swap whenever I felt.

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Old 05-17-2019, 06:51 PM   #9
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False. It is illegal to change a factory rifle to a pistol.
That's a very important clarification. If you built from a stripped lower, you don't have a problem. If you bought a complete rifle, you should avoid converting to a pistol. Save yourself the trouble and just buy a new stripped lower.
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:51 PM   #10
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I sell guns for a living. I hope I know what I'm talking about lol
So you must start with a lower registered as a pistol?
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:52 PM   #11
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That's a very important clarification. If you built from a stripped lower, you don't have a problem. If you bought a complete rifle, you should avoid converting to a pistol. Save yourself the trouble and just buy a new stripped lower.
That's what I was wanting to know. Want to stay legal so I wanted to ask the question.
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:53 PM   #12
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That's a very important clarification. If you built from a stripped lower, you don't have a problem. If you bought a complete rifle, you should avoid converting to a pistol. Save yourself the trouble and just buy a new stripped lower.
Can it be a complete lower or do you have to start with it stripped?
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:54 PM   #13
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My question is: why would you want to do that?
exactly...the original configuration was a superior set up anyway for any and all applications.
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So you must start with a lower registered as a pistol?

Yes. Stripped or simi-built, lower must be registered as a pistol.
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Old 05-17-2019, 07:00 PM   #15
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Yes. Stripped or simi-built, lower must be registered as a pistol.
Thanks.
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Old 05-17-2019, 07:19 PM   #16
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You know what they say about AR pistols..
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:07 PM   #17
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False. It is illegal to change a factory rifle to a pistol.
Good info, but I read it in Dwight's voice from "the office" good chuckle!

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Old 05-17-2019, 08:20 PM   #18
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Yes. Stripped or simi-built, lower must be registered as a pistol.
Partially correct. It needs to be listed on the 4473 form as pistol or other (which is pistol or rifle). Stripped lowers usually are listed as other unless explicitly roll marked as pistol. If the gun came to you or the original buyer listed as a rifle on the 4473, then that is illegal to covert it to a pistol. Rule of thumb is you can go from pistol to rifle, but cannot convert from rifle to pistol.

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Yes. Stripped or simi-built, lower must be registered as a pistol.
Registered as a Pistol? Thought all stripped lowers are classified as 'other'.
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Partially correct. It needs to be listed on the 4473 form as pistol or other (which is pistol or rifle). Stripped lowers usually are listed as other unless explicitly roll marked as pistol. If the gun came to you or the original buyer listed as a rifle on the 4473, then that is illegal to covert it to a pistol. Rule of thumb is you can go from pistol to rifle, but cannot convert from rifle to pistol.

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Old 05-17-2019, 09:17 PM   #21
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Partially correct. It needs to be listed on the 4473 form as pistol or other (which is pistol or rifle). Stripped lowers usually are listed as other unless explicitly roll marked as pistol. If the gun came to you or the original buyer listed as a rifle on the 4473, then that is illegal to covert it to a pistol. Rule of thumb is you can go from pistol to rifle, but cannot convert from rifle to pistol.

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Old 05-17-2019, 10:30 PM   #22
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The fact that we have such absurd uncertainty on a matter that should be straightforward since it's covered by a 27-word Constitutional Amendment that includes the phrase "shall not be infringed" and comes second behind only the fundamental right of speech, religion, press, and assembly, should **** off every freedom-loving American to no end.
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Looks like a good excuse to just build another gun.
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Yes, I as know.
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False. It is illegal to change a factory rifle to a pistol.
You are correct

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Partially correct. It needs to be listed on the 4473 form as pistol or other (which is pistol or rifle). Stripped lowers usually are listed as other unless explicitly roll marked as pistol. If the gun came to you or the original buyer listed as a rifle on the 4473, then that is illegal to covert it to a pistol. Rule of thumb is you can go from pistol to rifle, but cannot convert from rifle to pistol.

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False. It is illegal to change a factory rifle to a pistol.
Donít Ask. Donít Tell
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My question is: why would you want to do that?


Maybe he has several and wants something different? Guns can be fun.


But in this case OP shouldnít do that unless he wants to risk the possibility of gaining a new long term boyfriend.


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Maybe he has several and wants something different? Guns can be fun.


But in this case OP shouldnít do that unless he wants to risk the possibility of gaining a new long term boyfriend.


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Agreed. As an owner of more than one, I understand the wanting of something different, or for a specialized purpose/task.
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ATF has as many loopholes as laws. These are partial truths above. Or part of the laws as we know them to be. Here is another one.

As long as the lower is marked as "multi" caliber. It can be built as a pistol.
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Partially correct. It needs to be listed on the 4473 form as pistol or other (which is pistol or rifle). Stripped lowers usually are listed as other unless explicitly roll marked as pistol. If the gun came to you or the original buyer listed as a rifle on the 4473, then that is illegal to covert it to a pistol. Rule of thumb is you can go from pistol to rifle, but cannot convert from rifle to pistol.

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Iím glad I read this. Cause I was about to change to rifle stock on my Radical 224 to the sba3 brace & run my pistol Grendel upper on it. I guess Iíll just have to built another lower. 😏😏😏😏
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ATF has as many loopholes as laws. These are partial truths above. Or part of the laws as we know them to be. Here is another one.

As long as the lower is marked as "multi" caliber. It can be built as a pistol.


I donít believe that is correct.

If you are referring to a rifle with a ďmultiĒ marked lower.


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