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Old 05-24-2021, 08:49 AM   #1
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Guys just checking to see if I am the one out to lunch on this. We have a deer lease between Eldorado and Mertzon. We have seen quite a few rattlesnakes on this ranch. Seems as though some of our lease members going up during hunting season and the offseason and see rattlesnakes in and around our camp area where our travel trailers and barn area are located. These lease members do NOT kill these rattlesnakes. As a matter of fact this past weekend two lease members caught a rattlesnake at the camp area that had busted all its rattles off. They took the snake a little ways from camp and turned it loose ALIVE.
My thoughts are if a rattlesnake is in or around the camp area, they are killed immediately. This also goes for the area around my stand and feeders. Away from the camp area its up to the hunter if they want to kill them or let them go and do their thing. We have guys that bring their kids and grandkids to the lease and many of these kids are under 6 years old Most of these kids are city kids and not wise to the dangers of being out in the country. My concern is that a lease member or one of the young uns end up getting bit around the camp area because these lease members are not killing these camp rattlesnakes. I have been bit twice by poisonous snakes so I am more sensitive to this issue than others may be. I just wanted to ask you all am I out to lunch or do y'all eliminate camp rattlesnakes?
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Old 05-24-2021, 08:54 AM   #2
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Yes, they die
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Old 05-24-2021, 08:56 AM   #3
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Prob better of eliminating their food source around camp. In other words, get rid of the mice and rats and you want have snakes around. But killing them doesn’t offend me either.
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Old 05-24-2021, 08:56 AM   #4
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I don't kill any snakes, regardless of where they are.
Killing snakes to protect someone is kinda like wearing a mask to prevent covid .
But, it's a free country, you do you .
If it's not going to create turmoil or get you kicked off the lease, and it's what you want to do, go for it.
You're paying money like everyone else.
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Old 05-24-2021, 09:03 AM   #5
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They die !
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Old 05-24-2021, 09:05 AM   #6
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Do they kill scorpions or wasps around camp? Rattlesnakes at camp are in the same category. They die.
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Old 05-24-2021, 09:08 AM   #7
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I never give a pass to a venomous snake. No matter where it is.


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Old 05-24-2021, 09:08 AM   #8
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I don't kill any snakes, regardless of where they are.
Killing snakes to protect someone is kinda like wearing a mask to prevent covid .
But, it's a free country, you do you .
If it's not going to create turmoil or get you kicked off the lease, and it's what you want to do, go for it.
You're paying money like everyone else.
Can you elaborate on this? Not saying you are wrong just legitimately curious.
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Old 05-24-2021, 09:09 AM   #9
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We have a ranch near Fort McKavett. I have 4 sons ranging from 8yrs-5 months. You bet your *** I'm killing every rattler that feels comfortable enough to show up near our camp house! Especially rattlers with no rattles! I'll trade a snakes life for my kids life any day of the week that ends in Y....
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Old 05-24-2021, 09:11 AM   #10
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Can you elaborate on this? Not saying you are wrong just legitimately curious.
Elaborate on what?
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Old 05-24-2021, 09:35 AM   #11
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Had a lease from Mertz the Oglesby off of 190 between Eldorado a and Mertzon. Saw several around camp and one bit my dog in the face at camp. I’m not a fan I see I kill at camp!
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Old 05-24-2021, 09:41 AM   #12
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Elaborate on what?
How not killing them in camp wouldnt decrease the risk of someone getting bitten around camp. Like i said before, I am not saying you are not correct.
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Old 05-24-2021, 09:58 AM   #13
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Like said above, it's a near impossible task but first need to eliminate all vermin around camp. One of the worst things we do around camp is leaving any food or corn around. Again, a near impossible task.

Second kill all snakes around camp.

Third, repeat steps one and two.
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:02 AM   #14
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Thwack all snakes and any source of food.....but that's me!!!

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Old 05-24-2021, 10:16 AM   #15
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Thanks guys. We do make every effort to eliminate food sources that would keep rattlesnake food sources hanging around the camp area. We keep the camp area mowed and clean as possible. Just prior to us getting on this lease the guy we lease from did a bunch of work around the camp area to clear brush and trash. During this process they encountered a lot of rattlesnakes in the area. As many rattlesnakes as we have encountered in the camp area in three years on this ranch, it is just a matter of time before someone has a bad encounter. We have already had several close calls.
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:37 AM   #16
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We kill a few each year, mostly around spring Turkey season is when we see the most movement. The scary thing is that more then 90% of the ones we run into don't rattle at all...... I was trying to attach a pic of the 5 foot monster with 10 & a button that I got within about 4 feet of but for some reason I am never able to attach pics on TBH....... Needless to say you gotta keep your head on a swivel at our place because they will let you walk righ up on em.

Yes we dispatch everyone we see no matter where they are.
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:38 AM   #17
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How not killing them in camp wouldnt decrease the risk of someone getting bitten around camp. Like i said before, I am not saying you are not correct.
Snakes are mobile, they come and go.
You could kill em all, and a kid go outside 5 min later and get bit, that's all I'm saying.
I don't think you could prove it does or doesn't help to be honest.
These guys have been relocating snakes it sounds like, and not killing them.
In theory there should be a crapload around camp, and according to OP there is.
So, has anyone there ever been bitten, kids and adults like?
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:41 AM   #18
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I bet they’d feel different if they stepped out at night to take a leak and got hit by one.

Venomous snakes don’t get a pass from me.
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:49 AM   #19
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I bet they’d feel different if they stepped out at night to take a leak and got hit by one.

Venomous snakes don’t get a pass from me.
From the sound of it, probably not.
It wouldn't change my mind, but I might look a little better the next time.
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:53 AM   #20
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Snakes are mobile, they come and go.

You could kill em all, and a kid go outside 5 min later and get bit, that's all I'm saying.

I don't think you could prove it does or doesn't help to be honest.

These guys have been relocating snakes it sounds like, and not killing them.

In theory there should be a crapload around camp, and according to OP there is.

So, has anyone there ever been bitten, kids and adults like?
I don't agree with your statement. We have 3 known dens on our ranch. In early spring you will only find rattlers near and around these dens. Snakes from all over migrate to these dens every winter so the more of them we get rid of the fewer know how to get back to our ranch every winter. We have "snake hunters" come out every year and gas the dens. They live capture as many as they can.
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:54 AM   #21
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I never kill rattle snakes, figure they got a job to do by keeping the rodent population in check. If you have a lot of snakes at your camp that means only one thing. You got a lot of snake food at camp. There literally is no other reason.
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:56 AM   #22
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I don't agree with your statement. We have 3 known dens on our ranch. In early spring you will only find rattlers near and around these dens. Snakes from all over migrate to these dens every winter so the more of them we get rid of the fewer know how to get back to our ranch every winter. We have "snake hunters" come out every year and gas the dens. They live capture as many as they can.
He didn't mention having a den in camp...
Snakes are only at the den certain times of the year.
The rest of the year, they are crawling all over the place.
Not even sure how killing snakes in a den, relates to killing snakes in camp.
You might have a snakes from 15 different dens pass through your camp over the course of a yr.
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Old 05-24-2021, 11:01 AM   #23
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Old 05-24-2021, 11:09 AM   #24
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He didn't mention having a den in camp...

Snakes are only at the den certain times of the year.

The rest of the year, they are crawling all over the place.

Not even sure how killing snakes in a den, relates to killing snakes in camp.

You might have a snakes from 15 different dens pass through your camp over the course of a yr.
One of the dens is a few hundred yards from our camp. So there will be more snakes on my ranch close to my camphouse than there will be on the neighbors who doesnt have a den. We have a dry creek that runs the length of our ranch. Thats where all the dens are.
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Old 05-24-2021, 11:25 AM   #25
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I hunt out of Mertzon as well. All venomous snakes are cobras as far as I am concerned. We have a lot of kids at our place and I don't want to see any of them hit by a snake. Dogs are easy targets for snakes as well. I give my dogs regular anti venom shots and they go to snakeproofing seminars as well.
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Old 05-24-2021, 11:28 AM   #26
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One of the dens is a few hundred yards from our camp. So there will be more snakes on my ranch close to my camphouse than there will be on the neighbors who doesnt have a den. We have a dry creek that runs the length of our ranch. Thats where all the dens are.
Gotcha .
I can see that working to an extent.
Each year they come back are there less snakes in the den?
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Old 05-24-2021, 11:42 AM   #27
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I give them a pass too. Part of the ecosystem.
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Old 05-24-2021, 11:43 AM   #28
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I never kill rattle snakes, figure they got a job to do by keeping the rodent population in check. If you have a lot of snakes at your camp that means only one thing. You got a lot of snake food at camp. There literally is no other reason.
This! Anytime you have alot of predators in an area it means prey for them.
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Gotcha .

I can see that working to an extent.

Each year they come back are there less snakes in the den?
We sure do our part to make that happen! We've caught some giants!
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Old 05-24-2021, 12:06 PM   #30
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Sounds like common sense to me... the more you kill the less you will have over the years! We have killed everyone we see at camp and are seeing less and less... I normally walk camp when I get there with my kids double checking they're normal spots.
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Old 05-24-2021, 12:12 PM   #31
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I don't agree with your statement. We have 3 known dens on our ranch. In early spring you will only find rattlers near and around these dens. Snakes from all over migrate to these dens every winter so the more of them we get rid of the fewer know how to get back to our ranch every winter. We have "snake hunters" come out every year and gas the dens. They live capture as many as they can.
back in the day of the San Saba lease, there were the snake wrangles that would come on the lease and drive out with the truck squatting, they knew were the Den was and would get ton out, always come before the Rattle Snake round up.
but we always kept an eye out for sure, and dispatched any one we seen i n and around camp and of course the BIG'un in the freezer was always good for a laugh on the New guy...
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back in the day of the San Saba lease, there were the snake wrangles that would come on the lease and drive out with the truck squatting, they knew were the Den was and would get ton out, always come before the Rattle Snake round up.

but we always kept an eye out for sure, and dispatched any one we seen i n and around camp and of course the BIG'un in the freezer was always good for a laugh on the New guy...
Those frozen ones are the best! The only good snake is a frozen snake!
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Old 05-24-2021, 12:23 PM   #33
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I don't agree with your statement. We have 3 known dens on our ranch. In early spring you will only find rattlers near and around these dens. Snakes from all over migrate to these dens every winter so the more of them we get rid of the fewer know how to get back to our ranch every winter. We have "snake hunters" come out every year and gas the dens. They live capture as many as they can.
What county do you hunt in and how many acres? Sounds scary.
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Old 05-24-2021, 12:29 PM   #34
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What county do you hunt in and how many acres? Sounds scary.
Menard County, 600 acres. My uncle has 700 acres next to us. He has a cave on his place. In early spring they will find 5-6 rattlers "sunning" around the entrance.
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Old 05-24-2021, 12:59 PM   #35
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I don’t kill rattlesnakes unless they’re in my yard or living under my ground blinds.
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Old 05-24-2021, 01:15 PM   #36
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Those frozen ones are the best! The only good snake is a frozen snake!
remember when i was the new guy, dang near sh*t my pants,
for sure i no they was a bit wet....
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Old 05-24-2021, 02:02 PM   #37
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Around camp they die, out in the field I've always let em' crawl. However, my all-time favorite hunting k-9 buddy died of a RS bite 3 weeks ago, not sure how will affect my actions in the future, haven't really thought about it yet. But by all means, put out rat poison in and around the cabin on regular basis. Should be several places around that dogs can't get too.
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Old 05-24-2021, 02:09 PM   #38
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To the OP, you're not wrong, and they're not wrong. They don't owe it to you to kill the snakes. You don't owe it to them to keep them alive. I kill all venomous snakes I see, but I know some people who relocate them. So while you're not "out to lunch" on wanting to kill the snakes, you are "out to lunch" on suggesting it be a requirement for everyone to kill them, even if they don't want to.
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Old 05-24-2021, 02:53 PM   #39
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any venomous snake is a good start for a terrible day in my book . kill them all!!
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Old 05-24-2021, 03:31 PM   #40
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We've always killed them all regardless of where they were. Mostly because they were so **** big.
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Old 05-24-2021, 03:33 PM   #41
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I had a lease in Throckmorton Co. with an old pier & beam camp house and rattlesnakes lived under it. I killed 7 in one 24hour period in the yard or on the the first week in October. I'd bet that over the course of 3 years I killed 25+
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Old 05-24-2021, 03:36 PM   #42
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Last one I killed was in December,2 yrs ago.He was a small one,and he was trying to come in under the back porch door.I guess because it was warm.I generally leave them alone.
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Old 05-24-2021, 08:47 PM   #43
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How not killing them in camp wouldnt decrease the risk of someone getting bitten around camp. Like i said before, I am not saying you are not correct.
Let me preface I’m gonna kill them. That being said a lot of folks relocate them to other areas away from camp houses. They do have an important role In the ecosystem though.

I would agree either kill or relocate policy

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Old 05-24-2021, 09:19 PM   #44
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Regardless of eliminating food sources, all venomous snakes die if I come up on them.
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:03 PM   #45
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If a rattlesnake is seen at camp, he is killed.... no questions asked at our lease.
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:05 PM   #46
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I hate them with a passion, if I see one in the ranch, close to camp is a dead rattle snake. I don't mess with black indigos or rat snakes.
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:14 PM   #47
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I agree snakes keep rodent populations more in check. And I do not bother rat snakes, king snakes, coach whips or bull snakes.
All venomous snakes die. That way the snakes I like have more food for them.
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:23 PM   #48
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Menard County, 600 acres. My uncle has 700 acres next to us. He has a cave on his place. In early spring they will find 5-6 rattlers "sunning" around the entrance.
A friend used to own 3500 acres there that she raised goats on. She said the abundant rattlesnake population was always a problem for her and others that helped do work on the property.

I sure encountered a lot in Montague County close to the Red River. There are some healthy populations there for sure. A lady dr in that area told me about a little boy who bit by a rattlesnake in the area. There wasn’t sufficient anti venom and the price would easily bankrupt an uninsured snake bite victim. I don’t recall the exact details but medical professionals got together to do something to make the price of anti venom in the county more affordable.
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Old 05-24-2021, 11:35 PM   #49
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Get rid of the food source for the rats and mice and the snakes will not have a reason to come in your camp. Be particularly aware of spilled corn or food left unprotected in the camphouse. A few feral cats from the animal shelter go a long way. Just feed them once a week to keep them around.

Regarding the cost of anti-venom, my adult daughter got bit last year by a small copperhead. She spent about 6 hours in the ER in Brenham. Got four vials of anti-venom. The bill after insurance adjustment was $55K. Her part was $10K.
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Old 05-25-2021, 02:08 AM   #50
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I don't kill them but depending on where and how far you relocate a snake you may be causing that snake to die anyway. Rattlesnakes use the same dens year after year. So say you relocate one 3 miles from where you caught it in the Fall. There's a good chance that,that snake will become lost and freeze to death come Winter time.

No snake hunter that I know catches small snakes out of dens in order to leave some for seed. I know guys that have been catching them out of the same dens for 30+ years and their dad and grandpa caught them out of there long before that. Gas isn't allowed to drive snakes from the dens in Oklahoma so obviously some get skipped over and that in itself keeps a den alive. So I can't think that anyone who is having snake problems year after year, especially knowing people catch snakes out of dens on their place should think anything other than the people catching them are just picking out the ones they want to keep. Otherwise I don't think that would be a reoccurring issue.

I can see both sides to it. Personally I don't kill snakes of any kind. Even after having been bit before myself. That was my fault not the snakes. Kill them or don't. I don't think it's really going to matter. Killing one here and there won't have any real impact on the population. If there's food around more will just take their place in the camp.

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