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Old 01-25-2021, 12:37 PM   #1
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Hi! I have been drawn for Segment B and I have only one public land hunt under my belt so I have a few questions for the experts:

I have only hunted hogs previously with semi-auto rifles and have only hunted birds with a shotgun. Would you recommend OO vs Slug? I'm not sure I'll feel comfortable enough with a bow yet.

My prior hog hunts have been eradication hunts on friends' large ranches where we sometimes just leave them where they lay. Is there a requirement to extract/dispose a harvested animal on a NWR?

Thanks!

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Old 01-25-2021, 01:08 PM   #2
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Got to use non lead in whatever gun you use. I drew the same Hunt but will use my bow. My son is using his Crossbow. I think a slug would work better but I'd test them for accuracy.
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Old 01-25-2021, 01:14 PM   #3
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Thanks. I chatted with the biologist and these are the bullet points:
  1. Can leave them where they drop as long as not on a trail or road.
  2. They did an aerial eradication a couple weeks ago and killed 300. She estimates that was less than 1/4 of the total population.
  3. Around only 60 people paid for the tag so shouldn't be crowded.
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Old 01-25-2021, 01:22 PM   #4
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Non toxic shot only, don't show up with lead for you muzzleloader or shotgun, they're afraid some duck is gonna make it its breakfast...

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Old 01-25-2021, 10:01 PM   #5
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if you can get dialed in with some slugs, that would be my pick. have killed them with muzzleloader, but have also had times where more shots would have been beneficial. have had mixed results with buckshot, but could be user error (too far , bad shot, etc.); plenty of folks do kill lots o hogs with buckshot. double check whether slugs are allowed this year though ... the regs didn't include them as written for the draw, could have been an error since corrected though.
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Old 01-25-2021, 10:04 PM   #6
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snag a semi auto shotgun which holds 3.5s, load it with 00 or 000 buckshot and let er rip... within 30ish yards
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if you can get dialed in with some slugs, that would be my pick. have killed them with muzzleloader, but have also had times where more shots would have been beneficial. have had mixed results with buckshot, but could be user error (too far , bad shot, etc.); plenty of folks do kill lots o hogs with buckshot. double check whether slugs are allowed this year though ... the regs didn't include them as written for the draw, could have been an error since corrected though.
Looks like the regs have been updated to address all buckshot as well as including slugs.

Shotguns with buckshot or non-toxic slugs, muzzleloaders, archery
equipment, airguns, and arrow guns may be used.

https://www.fws.gov/uploadedFiles/20...mit%20Hunt.pdf
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Looks like the regs have been updated to address all buckshot as well as including slugs.

Shotguns with buckshot or non-toxic slugs, muzzleloaders, archery
equipment, airguns, and arrow guns may be used.

https://www.fws.gov/uploadedFiles/20...mit%20Hunt.pdf
good to know. i got a slug gun setup for the hunt last year, but didn't draw this year. first time in ~8yrs I won't be harassing the swine up there
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Old 01-26-2021, 05:37 PM   #9
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Razor, you left out a very important part.



"Only federally approved non-toxic shot (steel, bismuth, copper or tungsten) may be used for shotgun, muzzleloader, or airgun projectiles"


You know how some people are about "Well, the people on the internet said...".

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That is why I linked to the actual document.
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Old 01-27-2021, 09:47 AM   #11
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Hi! I have been drawn for Segment B and I have only one public land hunt under my belt so I have a few questions for the experts:

I have only hunted hogs previously with semi-auto rifles and have only hunted birds with a shotgun. Would you recommend OO vs Slug? I'm not sure I'll feel comfortable enough with a bow yet.

My prior hog hunts have been eradication hunts on friends' large ranches where we sometimes just leave them where they lay. Is there a requirement to extract/dispose a harvested animal on a NWR?

Thanks!
Put in the miles through the thick stuff and you'll find them. If you have issues finding non-toxic shot, let me know. I'm in McKinney and stocked up for the last hunt. Would be happy to sell you a few boxes for what I paid for it if you're having trouble finding ammo.
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Put in the miles through the thick stuff and you'll find them. If you have issues finding non-toxic shot, let me know. I'm in McKinney and stocked up for the last hunt. Would be happy to sell you a few boxes for what I paid for it if you're having trouble finding ammo.
Nice gesture. Do they actually check you or is it just the risk of being checked by a federal warden and the ticket for toxic shot thats deterrent?
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Old 01-27-2021, 11:40 AM   #13
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Nice gesture. Do they actually check you or is it just the risk of being checked by a federal warden and the ticket for toxic shot thats deterrent?
They did check mine one year. Can't remember if it was at check in or what.

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Why risk being checked at all? And/or possibly getting a ticket or worse? Do the right thing. Follow the rules. Live with a clear conscience. And have a great time.
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Old 01-28-2021, 12:25 AM   #15
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I've stopped using lead broadheads and have switched to steel. I'm worried about penetration though, especially at distances over 30 yards...

Looking forward to this hunt. If I were you I'd go through your vehicle and bags with a fine tooth comb. I've heard horror stories of people with a few corn kernels stuck in the pickup bed getting a ticket. I know I've got some squirrel loads in the camper.
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Old 01-28-2021, 02:54 PM   #16
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I've stopped using lead broadheads and have switched to steel. I'm worried about penetration though, especially at distances over 30 yards...

Looking forward to this hunt. If I were you I'd go through your vehicle and bags with a fine tooth comb. I've heard horror stories of people with a few corn kernels stuck in the pickup bed getting a ticket. I know I've got some squirrel loads in the camper.
I had a full bag of corn (unopened, from the weekend before leftover after feeders were filled) at the hagerman deer hunt. Shot a buck and brought the deer to check in and they did not care for that at all. No ticket or trouble, but I did get a side eye and a few questions. If it had been opened, I think an accusation may have been made. I hadn't given it a second thought because I often drive around with a bag or two of corn in the bed.

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Old 01-28-2021, 09:54 PM   #17
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The folks at Hagerman are pretty easy-going, the asst manager as well as the guys that run the shop are good judges of humanity, do right- and it will be fine, do wrong and you may have issues.
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Old 01-28-2021, 09:59 PM   #18
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Good to know. Most of the managers I've run into are good. It's the federal game wardens that have a reputation. But, I suspect they see a lot.
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Good to know. Most of the managers I've run into are good. It's the federal game wardens that have a reputation. But, I suspect they see a lot.
One in particular for sure, the one I am thinking about is as crooked as they come
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Old 02-01-2021, 07:30 AM   #20
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Went stomping around out there yesterday for the first time. Entered around the Meadow Pond Trail and went about a mile into the jungle near but not on the creek. It was thick and everything was dead. I'm have no idea how one should put on a stalk. I felt like I sounded like a commercial excavator moving every step in there. Not surprised I didn't see much but did scare a bunch of mallards in a small pond which I would have love to have seen on my duck hunt the day before.
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Old 02-02-2021, 08:57 PM   #21
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Did some stomping myself the other day, anyone else ever found the cemetery in Goode?
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Old 02-02-2021, 09:40 PM   #22
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Did some stomping myself the other day, anyone else ever found the cemetery in Goode?
Only cemetery I'm aware of borders Goode. Pics?
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Old 02-08-2021, 01:57 PM   #23
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Lots of pigs in there even after the helo eradication. They don't come close to getting them all.
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Old 02-18-2021, 01:59 PM   #24
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Went stomping around out there yesterday for the first time. Entered around the Meadow Pond Trail and went about a mile into the jungle near but not on the creek. It was thick and everything was dead. I'm have no idea how one should put on a stalk. I felt like I sounded like a commercial excavator moving every step in there. Not surprised I didn't see much but did scare a bunch of mallards in a small pond which I would have love to have seen on my duck hunt the day before.

I sneak/spot & stalk pigs with bow on public all the time. I donít kill nearly as many as Iíd like, but itís usually not too tough to get into archery range once you find them. The biggest thing is the wind. Keep it in your favor and you might be surprised what you can get away with.

If they are feeding they tend to make a bunch of noise and arenít anything like as spooky as a whitetail. If they are bedded you might have to be more sneaky, but archery range is doable. The thick stuff you find them in presents real problems with archery shots. While scouting for the deer hunt I got within 25 yards of multiple pig groups, and one sow was leading her brood right toward me before she took a different trail at around 3-4 yards.

Iím still holding out a bit of hope to find some non-toxic buck shot, but if bit my group will just tote out bows.


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Old 02-18-2021, 11:19 PM   #25
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The way I read it we don't have an orientation. Just be there after start time on first day and hunt away. Anybody have anything different?
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No orientation, but the email I received said check in/out is through an app.

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"Due to COVID, check-in, check-out, and reporting of hogs taken will be done electronically through an app called GroupMe. You can download the app at www . groupme . com, or find it on the app store. It is free and will be a closed group specific only to your hunt segment then deleted the following day."
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No orientation, but the email I received said check in/out is through an app.

From the email:
"Due to COVID, check-in, check-out, and reporting of hogs taken will be done electronically through an app called GroupMe. You can download the app at www . groupme . com, or find it on the app store. It is free and will be a closed group specific only to your hunt segment then deleted the following day."
GroupMe seemed to work well during the deer hunts. I used it on a laptop (at the checkstation) as I couldn't access the app store on my old iPhone5.
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Yíall check your email for some good news.


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Old 03-05-2021, 01:34 PM   #29
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Cool. Thanks for the heads up. I missed the email. Still not going back to lead broadheads though.
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For the shotgun hunters using shot, TSS is some bad to the bone shot, if you can find some large enough. I'd suggest #2, or larger if you can find it. Almost twice the density/weight of lead. Also very expensive.
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Good to know. Most of the managers I've run into are good. It's the federal game wardens that have a reputation. But, I suspect they see a lot.
I've only had one encounter with a federal game warden up there. I was sitting in my truck at one of the parking lots outside of one of the unit gates after scouting before a turkey hunt. He drove up behind me and got out and walked over. He was wondering what I was doing so I told him. Then I picked his brain about where he had seen turkey around the H. He loosened up and I got some good info.
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I'm not drawn, so no email- spill it.

They lifted the requirement for non-toxic ammo for the pig hunts this year because of the ammo shortage. My sense is this is a one of so any future visitors to this thread be forewarned they are likely going back.


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That is a good deal, I've often wondered if some type of waterfowl could eat a shotgun slug, buckshot- and I've never seen waterfowl in areas other than the planted fields or water.
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Anyone do any good on the first weekend?

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Me and a buddy got four in two days


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Anyone do any good on the first weekend?
"only 29 of a possible 85 hunters actually hunted during Segment A, but 83 hogs were harvested"
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Saw that email from Hagerman. good news all around. Looking forward to it with a little cooler temps.
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Were the ticks bad out there?
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Were the ticks bad out there?
I was out there over the weekend walking around with the kids and found a tick on my shirt after I got home. Really did not go into the thick stuff so they are definitely still out there.
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Were the ticks bad out there?

Permethrin on your clothing and you won't have to worry about them, ever, until you need to reapply it 6-8 weeks later. Once it dries, it's oderless too. And it can be washed.
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Iíll second the permethrin. I used it on my clothing before the hunt and had no issues (as usual) during the hunt.


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Slow day...walked 10 miles and did not see one. Back at it tomorrow.
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Well, I saw piggies but not close enough to target with my bow. Put in a good 9 miles. Quite a bit for an old fat guy. Didn't hunt sat evening or Sunday. Figured the hoggies had pretty much fled the state. Heard alot of shotguns go off, especially Friday morning. My clothes were already sprayed so no little buggers. Saw a few snakes and deer but no turkeys. Did see some enormous tracks though. There's a huge tom in them woods. Any bigger and I would have guessed velociraptor. I'll go back next year. This was kind of a scouting trip anyway. Marked some oaks that produced and some rub lines.
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Anyone know where this is?

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Based on that hull number, somewhere in the mid-Atlanticís states


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