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Old 09-30-2022, 04:18 PM   #1
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I heard about this on the radio yesterday:

TPWD to create a work group to create a plan to manage Texas mountain lions. This was from the August 25, 2022 hearing.

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On June 13, 2022, TPWD received a petition for rulemaking from the Texans for Mountain Lions Coalition. Mountain lions in Texas are classified as a nongame species under Parks and Wildlife Code, chapter 67 and TPWD does not regulate their take. The petition requested that TPWD promulgate the following specific regulations:
1) a requirement that mountain lions intentionally taken for any reason be presented to the department within 48 hours of take,
2) a 36-hour trap check requirement,
3) a regional bag limit of five mountain lions per year in South Texas, and
4) prohibition of “canned hunting” of mountain lions.

The petition also requested that TPWD:
1) initiate a statewide study to identify the abundance, status, and distribution of the mountain lion populations in Texas, and
2) form an ad hoc stakeholder advisory group composed of representatives from hunting organizations, livestock organizations, wildlife conservation organizations (non-hunting), outdoor recreation organizations (non-hunting), animal welfare organizations, independent mountain lion biologists, TPWD biologists, and TPWD policy managers to collaborate with TPWD to write a mountain lion management plan for Texas.
I know many may think I'm overreacting, but these work groups tend to lead to more and more regulations and eventually outlawing the activity. It happened in several western states. Be diligent. Watch this group closely.
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Old 09-30-2022, 05:00 PM   #2
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I agree, it leads to more regulations.
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Old 09-30-2022, 05:15 PM   #3
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The group is actually tasked to find a way for the state to make money on Mt lions. Out come will be more regulations.
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Old 09-30-2022, 05:22 PM   #4
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Why not just ban mountain lion hunting altogether. It worked out well for California. Better bring Fido in the house at night though.
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Old 09-30-2022, 05:30 PM   #5
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Mountain Lion stamp on your hunting license will be next. Tack on $7 more.
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Old 09-30-2022, 05:32 PM   #6
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Thanks for bringing this up, I hadn't heard of it. The filmmaker behind it all (strike 1) lies through his teeth in the newspaper pieces they've put out.
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I am an avid hunter, conservationists and Texan. Personally, I believe we do need some form of study to determine if regulation is necessary for Mountain Lions in Texas. With more and more population growth, habitat is increasingly diminishing and I’d venture to say the number of hunters in the woods are increasing as well, especially with the growing “organic food” movements. I’d really like the opportunity to see mountain lions survive so my kids and their kids have that opportunity. If you believe we should have seasons, bag limits and regulations on Whitetail deer, why the heck wouldn’t you ant one on Mountain Lions?
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Old 09-30-2022, 05:37 PM   #8
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Won’t be long and we’ll have a mountain lion stamp. Or some other way to milk some money out of people.
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Old 09-30-2022, 05:38 PM   #9
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The group is actually tasked to find a way for the state to make money on Mt lions. Out come will be more regulations.
That’s what I’m thinking. The various governments just can’t get enough of our money.
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Old 09-30-2022, 05:40 PM   #10
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I am an avid hunter, conservationists and Texan. Personally, I believe we do need some form of study to determine if regulation is necessary for Mountain Lions in Texas. With more and more population growth, habitat is increasingly diminishing and I’d venture to say the number of hunters in the woods are increasing as well, especially with the growing “organic food” movements. I’d really like the opportunity to see mountain lions survive so my kids and their kids have that opportunity. If you believe we should have seasons, bag limits and regulations on Whitetail deer, why the heck wouldn’t you ant one on Mountain Lions?
I agree with you that I support a study if there's not one already ongoing.

To answer your last sentence, without data there's nothing to say it's necessary. They might get along fine anyway, being an elusive species in no danger of broader extinction. I don't support limits for limits' sake, that's no more scientific than no limits for freedom's sake.
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Old 09-30-2022, 05:51 PM   #11
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We can thank Ben Masters for this most likely. The way he portrayed mountain lions and the trapping in his movie “Deep in the Heart” was pretty ugly and inaccurate.


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Old 09-30-2022, 06:35 PM   #12
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Won’t be long and we’ll have a mountain lion stamp. Or some other way to milk some money out of people.
Have you ever seen any on your South Texas place?
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Old 09-30-2022, 06:37 PM   #13
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and whats next after this , regulating coyotes , tags for hogs (like in cali ) just another way for them to be up our butts and in our wallet and have more goverment jobs for lazy .
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Old 09-30-2022, 07:19 PM   #14
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Have you ever seen any on your South Texas place?
Never have. Only ones I have seen in the wild were down around Encinal. Parks and Wildlife had a collaring program. I got to go along when they collared some kittens.
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Old 09-30-2022, 07:31 PM   #15
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More lions are in Texas now that 50 years ago. They do well enough when left alone. Keep things the way they are and they will do just fine. This is California come to Texas crap.
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Old 09-30-2022, 07:51 PM   #16
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Mountain Lion stamp on your hunting license will be next. Tack on $7 more.
For the opportunity.........im in!
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I am an avid hunter, conservationists and Texan. Personally, I believe we do need some form of study to determine if regulation is necessary for Mountain Lions in Texas. With more and more population growth, habitat is increasingly diminishing and I’d venture to say the number of hunters in the woods are increasing as well, especially with the growing “organic food” movements. I’d really like the opportunity to see mountain lions survive so my kids and their kids have that opportunity. If you believe we should have seasons, bag limits and regulations on Whitetail deer, why the heck wouldn’t you ant one on Mountain Lions?
Agreed wholeheartedly. If it helps TPWD and conservation activities it works for me.
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We can thank Ben Masters for this most likely. The way he portrayed mountain lions and the trapping in his movie “Deep in the Heart” was pretty ugly and inaccurate.


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I saw that movie is showing at Stephen F. Austin University later in October. Did not know anything about it but i got an invitation and was actually considering checking it out..........NOPE!
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:04 PM   #17
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I am an avid hunter, conservationists and Texan. Personally, I believe we do need some form of study to determine if regulation is necessary for Mountain Lions in Texas. With more and more population growth, habitat is increasingly diminishing and I’d venture to say the number of hunters in the woods are increasing as well, especially with the growing “organic food” movements. I’d really like the opportunity to see mountain lions survive so my kids and their kids have that opportunity. If you believe we should have seasons, bag limits and regulations on Whitetail deer, why the heck wouldn’t you ant one on Mountain Lions?
I think it would be good to take a closer look at lion management.

I’m also greatly confused as to why lions, elk, and bison are non-game animals (even though they’re all native), and pheasants have a season and are regulated.
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:16 PM   #18
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From some of the deer torn up in trail camera pics they are alive and well in our area in Leakey and same at buddy of mines place in Rock Springs
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:08 PM   #19
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I think it would be good to take a closer look at lion management.

I’m also greatly confused as to why lions, elk, and bison are non-game animals (even though they’re all native), and pheasants have a season and are regulated.

This has always drives me crazy. Those **** birds are put on a pedestal and worshipped when who’s knows how much damage they have caused to native species. Need eradicated like feral hogs.


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Old 09-30-2022, 09:17 PM   #20
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Have you ever seen any on your South Texas place?
No but I have in Burleson County.
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:27 PM   #21
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I don't think you can compare a mountain lion to another species, it is unique. I have no problem with hunting them but they do need to be managed. There are a lot of folks out there being irresponsible with their methods.
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:45 PM   #22
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I am cool with a 1 annual limit and permit , and a depredation license!
And lots of species that need monitoring that don’t due to stolen funding
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:48 PM   #23
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Will this regulate all the black panthers too?
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:54 PM   #24
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Will this regulate all the black panthers too?
THAT may be a great way to manage the lion population, you have to kill a black lion before the less common brown ones! I personally think they’re doing just fine now, but I have no data to back that up with……
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Old 09-30-2022, 10:04 PM   #25
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THAT may be a great way to manage the lion population, you have to kill a black lion before the less common brown ones! I personally think they’re doing just fine now, but I have no data to back that up with……
If that happens then how long before a black barn cat gets shot?
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If that happens then how long before a black barn cat gets shot?
I’m sure that ship has sailed many, many times .
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Old 09-30-2022, 10:21 PM   #27
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Dems gonna control more and more !
Gotta put a stop to it.
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Never have. Only ones I have seen in the wild were down around Encinal. Parks and Wildlife had a collaring program. I got to go along when they collared some kittens.
I saw one one Margie’s place the last day we were on the lease. Elton and I made one last pass through the place after we had loaded all our crap, topped a hill and there one stood at the bottom of the hill, we stopped, it looked at us, we looked at it and in about two bounds, it was gone….
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Old 09-30-2022, 10:55 PM   #29
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The group is actually tasked to find a way for the state to make money on Mt lions. Out come will be more regulations.
I think TPWD would prefer this issue go away.

Authors of this petition have an agenda, and they definitely do not represent the vast majority of landowners that are actually effected by lions.

It doesn’t look like this petition wish list is going anywhere anytime soon, except for the creation of advisory committee. Lion population is thriving, maybe better than ever.

Issue definitely isn’t going to die though.
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Old 09-30-2022, 11:02 PM   #30
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"Thank you for your petition"

(slams door and throws it in the trash)
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Old 10-01-2022, 12:32 AM   #31
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It is imperative that this **** is stopped before it gets started. Under no circumstances can we allow "stakeholder advisory groups" to decide our hunting regulations and policies. Allowing "wildlife conservation organizations (non-hunting), outdoor recreation organizations (non-hunting), animal welfare organizations (non-hunting" to control hunting is exactly the kind of bull**** that has destroyed hunting in liberal states. Get the *uck out of our state. I'm so god*amn sick of these people. And I'm equally sick of the people who are too passive, weak, and lazy to stop it.

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Old 10-01-2022, 08:07 AM   #32
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It is imperative that this **** is stopped before it gets started. Under no circumstances can we allow "stakeholder advisory groups" to decide our hunting regulations and policies. Allowing "wildlife conservation organizations (non-hunting), outdoor recreation organizations (non-hunting), animal welfare organizations (non-hunting" to control hunting is exactly the kind of bull**** that has destroyed hunting in liberal states. Get the *uck out of our state. I'm so god*amn sick of these people. And I'm equally sick of the people who are too passive, weak, and lazy to stop it.

Start lobbying against them, Chief. You seem to have the passion.


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Old 10-01-2022, 09:06 AM   #33
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Nope. The only management lions needs is folks “managing” to shoot one when they see it. We absolutely do not need more regulations on this.
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Old 10-01-2022, 10:10 AM   #34
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Boy howdy it doesn't take much to get some of you all riled up.

I think you would welcome the chance to voice your opinions to TPW on regulations.
We get the chance up here to respond as stakeholders in whet regs are passed and changed, it actually makes a difference.
No doubt the folks behind this issue are looking to get your cats not hunted, voice your opinions and let TPW know you want responsible management, not a ban on hunting them. They are an integral part of the ecosystem but need to be managed for the benefit of your deer herds.

We have seasons and quotas up here, our lions are doing fine and we do have issues in some areas with too many. They are good money for outfitters that hunt them so take is regulated.
Some folks seem to think they are very rare but I would hope their study would show otherwise. Mt lions can be the alpha predator in an area and really hurt a local deer population, but I don't think you really want all of them gone. They have their place in nature.
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Old 10-01-2022, 10:20 AM   #35
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Not sure I see the need for us to pay for another study. I am 69 years old and promise you that there are more lions in Texas today than at any time in my life. I agree with Chance and see no need for more regulations. If the lion is expanding it's range and populations are increasing????
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Old 10-01-2022, 10:34 AM   #36
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More rules, laws and regulations always solve the problems we didn’t have to begin with. Makes total sense said no man ever with any common sense…. These people have to attempt to justify their jobs by coming up with solutions to non existent issues,,, let me guess the outcome————- “You will have to buy a tag” 100% Pure Idiots!!!!
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Not sure I see the need for us to pay for another study. I am 69 years old and promise you that there are more lions in Texas today than at any time in my life. I agree with Chance and see no need for more regulations. If the lion is expanding it's range and populations are increasing????
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Best case scenario is that this study shows just what you see Gary, an increasing population. No need for protection of any kind. That is what the non hunting groups are really pushing , hoping a study shows low numbers so they can start with limiting take then saying they need protection down the line.
I still think you need some but not to the detriment of other wildlife and domestic livestock.

Get your voices heard with TPW, don't just vent on here.
Comment on this proposal.
Enough hunters stepping up and commenting will get noticed.
Document sightings, trail cam pics etc.
Evidence of a healthy population is what they need to see.
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Old 10-01-2022, 01:04 PM   #38
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I think TPWD would prefer this issue go away.

Authors of this petition have an agenda, and they definitely do not represent the vast majority of landowners that are actually effected by lions.

It doesn’t look like this petition wish list is going anywhere anytime soon, except for the creation of advisory committee. Lion population is thriving, maybe better than ever.

Issue definitely isn’t going to die though.
Agree.
This is just the start , they will eventually want it banned.
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Old 10-01-2022, 01:35 PM   #39
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With the way Texas parks and wildlife runs things I’d expect it to turn into joke promptly.
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Old 10-01-2022, 02:20 PM   #40
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Good luck seeing them in the wild unless you are trapping. Most elusive critter out there!
Hunted my whole life (Im 42yrs old) and we own property in NM unit 34 since the late 70s. Seen 2 on hunts for a split second and the rest on property trail cam 30 mins after we exit the property at the water tank. Amazing cat that will decimate the deer population. Especially when the tree huggers have relocation plan in the zone you hunt so hard your whole life for the last 20yrs! If you have that moment SHOOT!
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Old 10-01-2022, 03:24 PM   #41
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I'm going to waste another $3.00 on a draw mountain lion hunt. It's all about the dollar.
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Old 10-01-2022, 08:26 PM   #42
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I am an avid hunter, conservationists and Texan. Personally, I believe we do need some form of study to determine if regulation is necessary for Mountain Lions in Texas. With more and more population growth, habitat is increasingly diminishing and I’d venture to say the number of hunters in the woods are increasing as well, especially with the growing “organic food” movements. I’d really like the opportunity to see mountain lions survive so my kids and their kids have that opportunity. If you believe we should have seasons, bag limits and regulations on Whitetail deer, why the heck wouldn’t you ant one on Mountain Lions?

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Old 10-02-2022, 06:24 AM   #43
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More lions are in Texas now that 50 years ago. They do well enough when left alone. Keep things the way they are and they will do just fine. This is California come to Texas crap.
Agreed. No study necessary. No changes necessary.
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Old 10-02-2022, 07:59 AM   #44
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According to all the city people and califorkians that have moved out where we live on NextDoor there’s about 3,000 of them withiin a 15 mile radius of my house.
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Old 10-02-2022, 08:36 AM   #45
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According to all the city people and califorkians that have moved out where we live on NextDoor there’s about 3,000 of them withiin a 15 mile radius of my house.
To be fair, TBHers have posted pics of that many since I joined

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Old 10-02-2022, 09:11 AM   #46
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Lone star outdoor show did a whole episode on this. One of the board members who claims that they are for hunting and not anti hunting, showed up to the west tx big bobcat tournament to protest. The mountain lion coalition group is absurd and not supported by any science to back their plan. It is just a step towards infringing on our rights as hunters. Pretty sure tpwd shot them down. Give that podcast a listen and they get deep into it.
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Old 10-02-2022, 10:06 AM   #47
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How many lions are actually killed in Texas annually?
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Old 10-02-2022, 10:37 AM   #48
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[QUOTE=Hills of Texas;16428005]More lions are in Texas now that 50 years ago. They do well enough when left alone. Keep things the way they are and they will do just fine.

Really? I am an old hunter and only seen 4. (Mom and two cubs 45 years ago)
Lots more hunters, traffic snd cameras now. And it is still rare to know someone who recently saw one.
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Old 10-02-2022, 11:16 AM   #49
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I am an avid hunter, conservationists and Texan. Personally, I believe we do need some form of study to determine if regulation is necessary for Mountain Lions in Texas. With more and more population growth, habitat is increasingly diminishing and I’d venture to say the number of hunters in the woods are increasing as well, especially with the growing “organic food” movements. I’d really like the opportunity to see mountain lions survive so my kids and their kids have that opportunity. If you believe we should have seasons, bag limits and regulations on Whitetail deer, why the heck wouldn’t you ant one on Mountain Lions?
agreed. Never understood why it was nongame anyway. There's a season for them in every other state that allows hunting them.
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Old 10-02-2022, 06:30 PM   #50
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