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Old 06-21-2022, 05:01 PM   #1
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If you buy a complete lower from a manufacturer, is it designated as a rifle or pistol lower? If not, will it ever be designated as a rifle or pistol?

What would go on the form 4473?
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Old 06-21-2022, 05:15 PM   #2
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Depends on how it’s set up.

If it comes with an actual stock, it comes in as a rifle. If it comes in with a pistol buffer, and maybe a brace, it’s classified as a pistol. Pretty sure you’re not supposed to switch from one to the other unless you file additional paperwork.
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Old 06-22-2022, 09:55 AM   #3
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Depends on how itís set up.

If it comes with an actual stock, it comes in as a rifle. If it comes in with a pistol buffer, and maybe a brace, itís classified as a pistol. Pretty sure youíre not supposed to switch from one to the other unless you file additional paperwork.
Thats not correct. The upper determines what it is. If its just the lower with no upper, its transferred as "other" whether it has a stock or not.
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Old 06-22-2022, 09:57 AM   #4
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I always buy mine stripped and they are all "Others"
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Old 06-22-2022, 10:01 AM   #5
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Thats not correct. The upper determines what it is. If its just the lower with no upper, its transferred as "other" whether it has a stock or not.
He's talking about buying a complete lower.

My understanding it if a complete lower is shipped and logged as a pistol, it is a pistol and can have an upper less than 16" added and at least at this time, may have a brace.

A complete lower that is shipped as a rifle must have an upper that is no less than 16" unless that lower is SBR'd.
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Old 06-22-2022, 10:01 AM   #6
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So a stripped lower transfers as “other”? I forgot to ask when I did The paperwork on mine. I heard that if you register it as a rifle you cannot turn it into a pistol setup.
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Old 06-22-2022, 10:06 AM   #7
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So a stripped lower transfers as ďotherĒ? I forgot to ask when I did The paperwork on mine. I heard that if you register it as a rifle you cannot turn it into a pistol setup.
Correct on the stripped lower part. The change part is confusing, for example.. In Texas there is no trace of sales, so if I sold you a stripped lower that I had originally configured to be a rifle but you bought it and changed it into a pistol... what do you do then?
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Old 06-22-2022, 10:35 AM   #8
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Lowers are receivers, period. It doesn't matter if they are complete or stripped. An AR receiver, a Glock receiver, and a rem 700 are all marked the same.

If your FFL is marking them as anything else, he is doing it wrong.
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Lowers are receivers, period. It doesn't matter if they are complete or stripped. An AR receiver, a Glock receiver, and a rem 700 are all marked the same.

If your FFL is marking them as anything else, he is doing it wrong.
So what should the FFL dealer put on the form 4473 if it is a complete lower with a rifle stock?
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Old 06-22-2022, 10:41 AM   #10
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Lowers are receivers, period. It doesn't matter if they are complete or stripped. An AR receiver, a Glock receiver, and a rem 700 are all marked the same.

If your FFL is marking them as anything else, he is doing it wrong.
gonna be a lot of FFls in trouble then. My stripped came as other, but it is still a receiver.

so a Rem700 receiver is marked as a pistol receiver? hmmm.
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a Glock receiver is marked as a rifle receiver? another hmmm.
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Old 06-22-2022, 10:50 AM   #11
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gonna be a lot of FFls in trouble then. My stripped came as other, but it is still a receiver.

so a Rem700 receiver is marked as a pistol receiver? hmmm.
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a Glock receiver is marked as a rifle receiver? another hmmm.
on the 4473 there are three boxes.

Handgun, Long Gun(rifle or shotgun), and Other (frame, receiver, etc.)

What I'm saying is there is no such thing as a pistol receiver, rifle receiver, etc
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So what should the FFL dealer put on the form 4473 if it is a complete lower with a rifle stock?
Other (frame, receiver, etc.)

Types of firearms include, but are not limited to pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, receiver, frame, and firearms that are neither handguns nor long guns (rifles or of the original shotguns), such as firearms having a pistol grip that expel a shotgun shell (pistol including, for example, grip firearm) or NFA firearms (machinegun, silencer, short-barreled shotgun, short-barreled rifle, destructive device, or “any other weapon”).

Straight from the directions on the 4473

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Old 06-22-2022, 11:33 AM   #13
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on the 4473 there are three boxes.

Handgun, Long Gun(rifle or shotgun), and Other (frame, receiver, etc.)

What I'm saying is there is no such thing as a pistol receiver, rifle receiver, etc
So if a FFL dealer put a complete lower as a rifle or a pistol, then it was done wrong. If it was done wrong, does that now make it a pistol or rifle?
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Old 06-22-2022, 11:48 AM   #14
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So if a FFL dealer put a complete lower as a rifle or a pistol, then it was done wrong. If it was done wrong, does that now make it a pistol or rifle?
Not a lawyer or an ATF agent but no I don't believe so. His error does not reclassify the firearm. Also, that form stays at the FFL and never gets sent anywhere(unless they go out of business).
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^^^^ This ^^^^^ it is classified as ( other )
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Old 06-22-2022, 02:51 PM   #16
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I reached out to Palmetto State Armory and they said a complete lower is just a lower not a rifle or a pistol.
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Old 06-28-2022, 10:28 PM   #17
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Not a lawyer or an ATF agent but no I don't believe so. His error does not reclassify the firearm. Also, that form stays at the FFL and never gets sent anywhere(unless they go out of business).
or a search for some reason develops. it may stay there, but they can view it.
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