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Old 03-29-2022, 10:42 AM   #1
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Exclamation TPWD update

Here ya go

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Old 03-29-2022, 10:43 AM   #2
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"Modify the definitions of “buck deer” and “antlerless deer.”
Modify the proof of sex requirements for harvested buck deer."

It would have been nice if they'd been more specific.
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Old 03-29-2022, 10:55 AM   #3
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"Modify the definitions of “buck deer” and “antlerless deer.”
Modify the proof of sex requirements for harvested buck deer."

It would have been nice if they'd been more specific.

You have to take into consideration those buck deer identifying as antlerless and vice versa. Gender fluidity in whitetail deer is a real thing.
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Old 03-29-2022, 10:56 AM   #4
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"Modify the definitions of “buck deer” and “antlerless deer.”
Modify the proof of sex requirements for harvested buck deer."

It would have been nice if they'd been more specific.

“In order to be as clear and specific as possible as to the specific types of animals that bag limits, tagging requirements, and proof-of-sex rules for “buck” and “antlerless” apply to, the proposed amendment would clarify that the term “antlerless deer” means a deer having no antler point (a projection extending at least one inch from the edge of a main beam or another tine, which includes the tip of a main beam) protruding through the skin or a buck deer that has completely shed its antlers. The proposed amendment would alter the definition of “buck deer” to apply the same standard; a buck deer is a deer having an antler point protruding through the skin or a deer having antler growth in velvet of greater than one inch”

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Old 03-29-2022, 10:58 AM   #5
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I’m not a biologist hard to understand new rules
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:13 AM   #6
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Not much of a year for changes huh, probably a good thing.
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:16 AM   #7
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So a nubbin with one inch velvet nubs is now a buck deer?
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:18 AM   #8
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If SCOTUS can no longer identify what is and isnt a woman i can no longer identify what is and isnt 13" at 250 yards.
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:19 AM   #9
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So a nubbin with one inch velvet nubs is now a buck deer?
Well that would be good.
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:20 AM   #10
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seems easier to me.

buck deer= with antlers more than 1 inch

antlerless= no antlers.

not too concerned with proof of sex, just "does it have horns or not?"

Ive seen does with horns. Ive seen bucks with no nutz and no horns. If its got horns tag as a buck.
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:28 AM   #11
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seems easier to me.

buck deer= with antlers more than 1 inch

antlerless= no antlers.

not too concerned with proof of sex, just "does it have horns or not?"

Ive seen does with horns. Ive seen bucks with no nutz and no horns. If its got horns tag as a buck.
X2.....
They don't want it to read this way...simple and easy.

They want to change all the rules and confuse everyone, that way they can catch an honest man and fine him for something!!
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:36 AM   #12
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Well that would be good.
I agree but if that is the intent, and thats the way I read it, it's a huge change and should be announced as such.
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:38 AM   #13
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If SCOTUS can no longer identify what is and isnt a woman i can no longer identify what is and isnt 13" at 250 yards.
X2
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:46 AM   #14
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I didn’t see any hog relief in there whatsoever. They’re only about 30 years behind on that.
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:52 AM   #15
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X2.....
They don't want it to read this way...simple and easy.

They want to change all the rules and confuse everyone, that way they can catch an honest man and fine him for something!!
Seriously???
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Old 03-29-2022, 12:19 PM   #16
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So a nubbin with one inch velvet nubs is now a buck deer?

A nubbin with 1” velvet nubs has always been a buck. A nubbin with nothing thru the skin would not be a buck.

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Old 03-29-2022, 12:45 PM   #17
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Old 03-29-2022, 12:54 PM   #18
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A nubbin with 1” velvet nubs has always been a buck. A nubbin with nothing thru the skin would not be a buck.

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Old 03-29-2022, 12:58 PM   #19
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A nubbin with 1” velvet nubs has always been a buck. A nubbin with nothing thru the skin would not be a buck.

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A nubbin with 1” velvet nubs doesn’t have an antler protruding through the skin. Why wouldn’t it be considered anterless? Is it because anything 1” or over is considered a point?

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Old 03-29-2022, 01:15 PM   #20
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There is no change. As stated before, if it has a 1" antler is a buck, otherwise antlerless. Nothing to do with sex
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Old 03-29-2022, 01:34 PM   #21
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So they still have the spike tag in AR counties? ****.
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Old 03-29-2022, 01:43 PM   #22
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A nubbin with 1” velvet nubs doesn’t have an antler protruding through the skin. Why wouldn’t it be considered anterless? Is it because anything 1” or over is considered a point?
I disagree. It is protruding the skin, it is just covered in velvet.
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Old 03-30-2022, 06:37 AM   #23
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It was if a hardened antler protruded through the skin, it was a buck. Now it can protrude through and has to be over 1".
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Old 03-30-2022, 07:48 AM   #24
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If the deer has anything on top it should be a buck and tagged as such.
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Old 03-30-2022, 07:49 AM   #25
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i prefer if its got bawls it a buck if its got antlers more than 1" a buck everything else is antlerless or doe
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Old 03-30-2022, 08:08 AM   #26
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Curious as to what the proof of sex thing for processing facilities is? Are they saying they are now going to follow the letter of the law and require a testical/scrotum still be attached to the quarter/deer when brought in? I think 90% or more of us bring in deer to a processor without any true “proof of sex” and they never check.
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Old 03-30-2022, 08:18 AM   #27
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I think a lot of people are arguing for the sake of arguing. The only intent here is to give relief of liability when an honest mistake is made. If your average hunter shoots a visibly “antler less deer” at 200 yds and then walks up and it’s a nubbin then that person won’t have to use a buck tag. We have all done it at some point in our life.

I really doubt many on this site will actively and purposefully kill a nunbin buck no matter if he has anything protruding or not. If he has 1” plus if antler protruding out of skin he is a spike at that point. Not a nubbin, pretty simple. They aren’t trying to “get” anyone. Just trying to add a little more info to the scenario to clarify.
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Old 03-30-2022, 09:27 AM   #28
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dang 200 yard shoots with a bow pretty good
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Old 03-30-2022, 09:36 AM   #29
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I disagree. It is protruding the skin, it is just covered in velvet.
antler velvet is skin-ish...its all connected until its shed
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Old 03-30-2022, 09:49 AM   #30
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I disagree. It is protruding the skin, it is just covered in velvet.


No offense, I don’t care if you agree or not. I want to know if the law agrees. When it comes to nubbin bucks, it’s been my understanding forever that if there’s not a hard antler protruding through the skin then it’s antlerless.

Has that changed?
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Old 03-30-2022, 10:32 AM   #31
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Curious as to what the proof of sex thing for processing facilities is? Are they saying they are now going to follow the letter of the law and require a testical/scrotum still be attached to the quarter/deer when brought in? I think 90% or more of us bring in deer to a processor without any true “proof of sex” and they never check.
The letter of the law in texas says nothing about sex organs. There are no male or female deer, only bucks and antlerless. Sex organs are not proof of sex in Texas.

I think the proof of sex change they mention is allowing a skull cap as proof of sex instead of the whole head. This is for CWD stuff, allowing the brain/spinal matter to remain at the property where the animal was killed.

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Looks like they will now allow does to use sex organs as proof of sex.

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The proposed amendment to §65.10 would also alter provisions governing proof of sex. The movement, and ultimately, the improper disposal of carcasses and carcass parts, particularly skulls, brains, and spinal cords, increases the risk of spreading CWD. Under current rule, proof-of-sex for deer is the head of the deer, which must accompany the carcass until a final destination is reached. The proposed new rule would provide an alternative to the current rules regarding proof of sex for female deer by allowing certain gender-related anatomical parts to accompany the carcass in lieu of the head. This would provide hunters an option to leave the head of a female deer at the site of harvest to reduce risk for the potential spread of CWD from that site.

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Old 03-30-2022, 10:36 AM   #32
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No offense, I don’t care if you agree or not. I want to know if the law agrees. When it comes to nubbin bucks, it’s been my understanding forever that if there’s not a hard antler protruding through the skin then it’s antlerless.

Has that changed?
From the link I posted earlier:

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a buck deer is a deer having an antler point protruding through the skin or a deer having antler growth in velvet of greater than one inch.
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The letter of the law in texas says nothing about sex organs. There are no male or female deer, only bucks and antlerless. Sex organs are not proof of sex in Texas.

I think the proof of sex change they mention is allowing a skull cap as proof of sex instead of the whole head. This is for CWD stuff, allowing the brain/spinal matter to remain at the property where the animal was killed.

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Looks like they will now allow does to use sex organs as proof of sex.
now we got some woke*** deer
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Thanks. That’s was what I’m wondering if the 1” of velvet is the point of demarcation between buck and antlerless.
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Old 03-30-2022, 10:48 AM   #35
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now we got some woke*** deer
lol I guess we have for as long as I can remember in Texas
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Old 03-30-2022, 10:59 AM   #36
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"Fix the rigged point system" didn't make the list? What?
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Old 03-30-2022, 12:00 PM   #37
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I think a lot of people are arguing for the sake of arguing.
This. The proof of sex thing for doe is awesome, sucks having to keep a stinky head in the truck a few days to haul home.
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No offense, I don’t care if you agree or not. I want to know if the law agrees. When it comes to nubbin bucks, it’s been my understanding forever that if there’s not a hard antler protruding through the skin then it’s antlerless.

Has that changed?
Yes, if the velvet nub is 1" or longer you now have to use a buck tag.
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Old 03-30-2022, 01:50 PM   #39
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Yes, if the velvet nub is 1" or longer you now have to use a buck tag.
That is a good thing if that is actually what they are saying. Lots of nubbins get tagged antlerless. That's the way I read it but it seems most disagree.
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You guys are using tags....BAHAHAHA
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Old 03-30-2022, 03:11 PM   #41
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I wonder what the “administrative error” was on the Sandhill crane permits.
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Thanks. That’s was what I’m wondering if the 1” of velvet is the point of demarcation between buck and antlerless.
If a harden antler break skin then is a buck tag, no matter the size. If is in velvet then it needs to be 1” . Button bucks for the most part are still anterless
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Old 03-30-2022, 04:33 PM   #43
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Listened to the commisson meeting on replay and the aww shucks deer biologist guy said they couldn't change the archery season crossbow rule in those 4 archery counties without opening a rifle season, what?!, didn't seem like he wanted any part of a compromise. Was he just trying to get the regulation pushed through? Not advocating for it but I don't understand why those 4 archery counties crossbow regs would be prevented from mirroring archery season in all the other counties, you can already use a crossbow for deer during general season in Dallas, Collin, Grayson and Rockwall. Boy is a smooth talker I'll give him that.

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If a harden antler break skin then is a buck tag, no matter the size. If is in velvet then it needs to be 1” . Button bucks for the most part are still anterless
Nope, gotta be an inch long.
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Some more

AUSTIN (CBSDFW.COM) – The Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission approved hunting regulations for the 2022-23 season at its public meeting held March 24 in Austin. Commissioners adopted the following modifications and clarifications to the 2022-23 Statewide Hunting Proclamation:

Establish mandatory buck and antlerless white-tailed deer harvest reporting in Collin, Dallas, Grayson and Rockwall counties during white-tailed deer season.
Modify the definitions of “buck deer” and “antlerless deer.”
Modify the proof of sex requirements for harvested buck deer.
Create definitions for two types of commercial cold storage facilities.
Modify tagging and proof of sex requirements, log procedures and destination regulations for commercial cold storage facilities.
Expand mule deer antler restrictions to an additional 21 counties in the Panhandle.
Extend the general mule deer season in 15 southwestern Panhandle counties from nine to 16 days and add a special archery season.
Establish a mule deer antler restriction in Terrell County within the Trans-Pecos.
Establish a veterans and active-duty special waterfowl hunting season to occur concurrently during youth-only season in all duck zones.
Modify the West Zone for goose hunting to open a week earlier than current goose hunting regulations.
Remove the daily bag limit restriction (two) on hooded mergansers.
Combine the separate merganser and duck daily bag limits into a single aggregate daily bag limit of six per day.
Reauthorize the requirement to possess a Federal Sandhill Crane Hunting Permit while hunting that species due to an administrative error.
Close the turkey season east of IH-35 in Ellis County to support ongoing restocking efforts along the Trinity River.
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Old 04-01-2022, 01:14 PM   #46
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What are the dates on the archery only Mule deer season they are implementing, not seeing the deets on these regs anywhere just a vague glossing over.
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That we've allowed TPWD to create such a complex and convoluted system of regulations to micromanage our ability to hunt is a travesty.

And they wonder why is so hard to recruit new hunters. Anyone trying to hunt for the first time is virtually guaranteed to violate some regulation.
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Old 04-01-2022, 05:02 PM   #48
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Old 04-01-2022, 05:22 PM   #49
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What are the dates on the archery only Mule deer season they are implementing, not seeing the deets on these regs anywhere just a vague glossing over.
Wondering the same thing. We’ve got some family land up in Gaines county that I’d love to bow hunt for mulies before the property gets sold.
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That we've allowed TPWD to create such a complex and convoluted system of regulations to micromanage our ability to hunt is a travesty.

And they wonder why is so hard to recruit new hunters. Anyone trying to hunt for the first time is virtually guaranteed to violate some regulation.
The western states have it perfected. Thats exactly why so many people- like me- won’t, or don’t, apply for hunts. Mission accomplished.
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