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Old 09-11-2019, 04:01 PM   #101
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I'm not a huge fan of ebikes either - other than the physically disabled - I don't see the benefit in buying one - if a person isn't able to bike than it's probably time to get on a bike and start losing weight. Anyway, do any of yall know when the 2nd drawing happens?

I was there last year and the impression I got from the staff is it's almost like the refuge doesn't like dealing with allowing hunters - I'm curious to know how much money is actually spent on keeping those 17 or so Ocelots going
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Old 09-11-2019, 04:17 PM   #102
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Dont know if it will be this season , what are they talking about when they say expanding method of taking big game?

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Old 09-11-2019, 04:20 PM   #103
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Dont know if it will be this season , what are they talking about when they say expanding method of taking big game?

https://www.fws.gov/home/feature/201...Narratives.pdf
I was wondering the same thing.
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Old 09-11-2019, 04:25 PM   #104
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It would cut down on 1, 6, and 8 getting overrun.
Ebikes will do the same thing as they will allow hunters to go in further than they normally would. I am 50 years old and not in the best shape (I know that's my fault) but also have not so great knees from crawling thru burning buildings for more than twenty years. My ebike is more of a peddle assisted thing rather than just running off the battery. It definitely lets me get deeper into the woods than I would be able to hiking or with a regular bike.
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Yahoo. Drawn for 1st bow hunt. October 25-29. First time.
Could a couple of you Atascosa vets let me know what to expect down there.
Expect the hardest thing you could imagine. Hot, insects, snakes, bike tire flats, super shady animals and mostly super dumb hunters that can ruin a hunt instantly
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Ebikes will do the same thing as they will allow hunters to go in further than they normally would. I am 50 years old and not in the best shape (I know that's my fault) but also have not so great knees from crawling thru burning buildings for more than twenty years. My ebike is more of a peddle assisted thing rather than just running off the battery. It definitely lets me get deeper into the woods than I would be able to hiking or with a regular bike.
I hope the e-bike isnít allowed. (Only allowed for those impaired and need it)It will definitely lessen the crowding But I donít want others going further. I go to unit 3 and will continue. Itís a trek to back where I hunt and only a few seem to go that far. With an e-bike, Laguna becomes a tiny place. Regular bike, you know and feel the size of Laguna.
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I'm not a huge fan of ebikes either - other than the physically disabled - I don't see the benefit in buying one - if a person isn't able to bike than it's probably time to get on a bike and start losing weight. Anyway, do any of yall know when the 2nd drawing happens?

I was there last year and the impression I got from the staff is it's almost like the refuge doesn't like dealing with allowing hunters - I'm curious to know how much money is actually spent on keeping those 17 or so Ocelots going
2nd drawing is tomorrow.
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Ebikes will do the same thing as they will allow hunters to go in further than they normally would. I am 50 years old and not in the best shape (I know that's my fault) but also have not so great knees from crawling thru burning buildings for more than twenty years. My ebike is more of a peddle assisted thing rather than just running off the battery. It definitely lets me get deeper into the woods than I would be able to hiking or with a regular bike.
I hear ya - my initial reaction when I hear Ebikes is to think of the cost (haha) and to jump the gun and think it's just the lazy that's created a market for it. You're right about the knees - I had a knee issue not too long ago and it kept me off of my bike and running.
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Old 09-11-2019, 05:13 PM   #109
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While I'm not longer in the best shape weight wise, I still would use a regular bike. There will come a day when, if I want to continue, I will have to adopt some help. I'm already planning on llamas for hunting out west and adding days to the trips because I will be slower. I'm not excited about ebikes either, but ask me in five or six years when I'm near 70 and my attitude will change. Yes, that's inconsistent. I'll dislike them until I have to use them. Then they will be one of my favorite tools.
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:32 PM   #110
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While I'm not longer in the best shape weight wise, I still would use a regular bike. There will come a day when, if I want to continue, I will have to adopt some help. I'm already planning on llamas for hunting out west and adding days to the trips because I will be slower. I'm not excited about ebikes either, but ask me in five or six years when I'm near 70 and my attitude will change. Yes, that's inconsistent. I'll dislike them until I have to use them. Then they will be one of my favorite tools.
lol, well I love mine. Another advantage to the ebike (obviously) is it's less strenuous. I'm all about scent control, especially while bow hunting. If it's warm weather and I ride a regular bike to the back parts of the refuge I will be sweating my butt off by the time I get to my spot. More sweat = more stink. The ebike is still work but not as much so I dont get as sweaty.
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:55 PM   #111
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I'm fully drenched in sweat at minimum 4 times a day on those hunts, sometimes all day. Scent control is out of picture. Just gotta play the wind right.....ain't no hiding that stank!!! Or roll in a big pile of nilgai skat!

I step all in it when I find it nice and slimy.

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I'm fully drenched in sweat at minimum 4 times a day on those hunts, sometimes all day. Scent control is out of picture. Just gotta play the wind right.....ain't no hiding that stank!!! Or roll in a big pile of nilgai skat!

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That explains it, you did always smell like sheet when I ran into you. But good tactic, smell like the animal youíre hunting.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:13 PM   #113
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I just want to see people stepping in nilgai poo this time!

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Old 09-12-2019, 08:02 AM   #114
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that's awesome! lmao
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:18 AM   #115
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I just want to see people stepping in nilgai poo this time!

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Old 09-12-2019, 08:43 AM   #116
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Got drawn for 10/25-10/29. Pumped for this one, it will be my first time out there.
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Old 09-12-2019, 12:13 PM   #117
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Good luck out there.

We drew but passed on the October hunt. Between being busy at home and the required orientation, it was too much.

I really wish they'd figure another way for orientation, like an email, or cancel it all together.
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Old 09-12-2019, 12:32 PM   #118
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I dont think ebikes will change the game so I am not opposed to them. Most of the ones that are marketed to hunters are way more than guys are willing to pay.
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Old 09-12-2019, 02:34 PM   #119
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I also hope they dont do ebikes. LAGUNA is supposed to be a hard hunt. If you are one of the few willing to put in the effort to get to the untouched places of the refuge it should be to your advangtage. I ramp up my fitness quite a bit for a couple months before this type of hunt so that i can have an advantage over the out of shape guys.
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Old 09-12-2019, 02:57 PM   #120
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I also hope they dont do ebikes. LAGUNA is supposed to be a hard hunt. If you are one of the few willing to put in the effort to get to the untouched places of the refuge it should be to your advangtage. I ramp up my fitness quite a bit for a couple months before this type of hunt so that i can have an advantage over the out of shape guys.
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Old 09-13-2019, 12:05 PM   #121
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I dont think ebikes will change the game so I am not opposed to them. Most of the ones that are marketed to hunters are way more than guys are willing to pay.
I'm with you on that - BTW you can get a conversion kit on amazon for around 300-400 dollars. I might be looking into this in about 5 years haha - got drawn on the 2nd drawing good luck to all!
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Old 09-13-2019, 12:41 PM   #122
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Has anyone tried or heard about using this

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1017574811?pid=594451

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Old 09-13-2019, 12:50 PM   #123
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The Laguna Master called me.
He got 2nd draw. He won't tell me what dates
I think thats 20 consecutive years the GOAT has hunted Laguna!!

I'm going to challenge him. The one with his name the most on the chalkboard will take the BELT!

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Old 09-13-2019, 01:41 PM   #124
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I think anyone over 60 should be able to use a hover round, mobility scooter or ebike. BTW I qualify.
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Old 09-13-2019, 02:09 PM   #125
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I think anyone over 60 should be able to use a hover round, mobility scooter or ebike. BTW I qualify.
Yep. Load up the hover round. I got my emergency pendant in case I fall and can't get up. Just shift that thing into three wheel drive and head out. If we seal the bearings, battery and engine, I can just drive it out in the marsh and hunt ducks on it.
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Yep. Load up the hover round. I got my emergency pendant in case I fall and can't get up. Just shift that thing into three wheel drive and head out. If we seal the bearings, battery and engine, I can just drive it out in the marsh and hunt ducks on it.
Like the way you think. Rule change all those under 59 years have to be bare footed and wear shorts above the knee and no snake proof equipment. Think that about covers it.
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Like the way you think. Rule change all those under 59 years have to be bare footed and wear shorts above the knee and no snake proof equipment. Think that about covers it.
All BS aside this is the same argument isn't much different than the recurve/long bow hunters had about compound bows been my an unfair advantage many years ago or recent crossbow hunting for everyone. Ebikes are just another tool. It all works out. I do enjoy reading about the competition between GBludau, txoutdoorsman24 and others on here. I'm not in the Archery hunt but do apply for firearm hunts down one the valley.
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Old 09-14-2019, 10:39 AM   #128
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I definitely will consider them for the mountains. I'm trying to hold off on the flatland out of pride. But I have looked at them closely. I do reserve the right to complain about them until I get one, though.

Your right, it is the same type of argument. On the scale of effort, E-bikes are a step up from a UTV or ATV. I don't have one of those either but I wouldn't turn one down on principle.

Also, if those under 59 are real hunters, they'd hunt barefoot with a homemade longbow. That's the we did it back in the day. We didn't even take arrows, We would fashion them out of whatever we could find. If we couldn't find anything we'd just run them until the collapsed.
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Old 09-14-2019, 10:41 AM   #129
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The Laguna Master called me.
He got 2nd draw. He won't tell me what dates
I think thats 20 consecutive years the GOAT has hunted Laguna!!

I'm going to challenge him. The one with his name the most on the chalkboard will take the BELT!

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Old 09-14-2019, 11:15 AM   #130
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All BS aside this is the same argument isn't much different than the recurve/long bow hunters had about compound bows been my an unfair advantage many years ago or recent crossbow hunting for everyone. Ebikes are just another tool. It all works out. I do enjoy reading about the competition between GBludau, txoutdoorsman24 and others on here. I'm not in the Archery hunt but do apply for firearm hunts down one the valley.
Hahaha. That GBludau guy is a character!!! Unfortunately heís kickin my arse at laguna. 3 kills to my zero.


But I did here heís ghey
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Old 09-14-2019, 02:48 PM   #131
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With an e-bike, Laguna becomes a tiny place.
Must have missed this comment but I couldnt disagree more and have experience to back it up. I used my ebike out there in 2017 (same trip I met you on) and only got two good days of hunting in due to tire problems. Even with the two good days I got in I only covered a very small portion of the refuge. With more than 90k acres, even with an atv it would take more than a week to learn the place well. Riding is not the same as scouting.
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Must have missed this comment but I couldnt disagree more and have experience to back it up. I used my ebike out there in 2017 (same trip I met you on) and only got two good days of hunting in due to tire problems. Even with the two good days I got in I only covered a very small portion of the refuge. With more than 90k acres, even with an atv it would take more than a week to learn the place well. Riding is not the same as scouting.
You had an E-Bike then!?!? I had no clue. Your bike didnít look like it to me.

I guess my comment was more meant at distances than actual size. Riding back into unit 1 is 20-25 minutes and back to unit 3 is minimum 30 minutes with out a trailer to just across the bridge. I have no knowledge of e-bikes so I truly canít say if they help or not but I think it would make those long distance rides a while lot easier.
Now the tire problems would make any bike useless and the hunt a million times more frustrating.
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Hey all,
apparently i don't have enough posts to start a thread to properly introduce myself. We live in central Tx, have been in Texas for 20 years now. Have five sons that hunt with me and two daughters that don't ;-). Lots of kids sports going on so sometimes hard to get them out in the field... high school, middle school and pop warner football right now for our three youngest.

Now to the point - I and two sons got drawn for LANWR on the Nov 15-19 hunt. I've hunted there once before, and have found the accommodations are difficult.. we stayed in Los Fresnos last time in a dive of a place that took a solid 55 min to get to. This time, i was planning to camp at Thomae park but from what i gather they just stack the tents right up next to each other so that'll be a snorefest... and it's not very close to the allowed entrance anyways.

So we have rented a 2BR/2BA condo in Laguna Vista and will have an extra bedroom and a bathroom available that I'd like to rent out. Both to split the costs and meet some like minded TBH folks. This will be a quiet place to rest up for the next day's adventures, not a party pad, so ideally we're looking for someone who's even more serious about the hunt than we are. There's a grill and what looks like a decent kitchen. I believe based on my all-in costs 1/2 would be roughly $275 for checkin 14th and checkout 19th. Based on google maps it's less than 20 minutes to the Refuge entrance.

Shoot me a PM if interested and i can provide more details. Meanwhile i'll try to figure out how to find my PMs I'd like to get this nailed down by end of month. Thanks
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Old 09-15-2019, 02:35 PM   #134
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Well ladies and gents I got lucky and drew the first weekend on the second draw!!!
Now, thatís the ONLY weekend all year I have something planned. Whatís everyoneís experience with the mandatory orientation if you canít be there for it? Will they let you do it when you get there say on Saturday evening?
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Well ladies and gents I got lucky and drew the first weekend on the second draw!!!
Now, thatís the ONLY weekend all year I have something planned. Whatís everyoneís experience with the mandatory orientation if you canít be there for it? Will they let you do it when you get there say on Saturday evening?
I donít remember anyone getting a different orientation time. Best to call now and ask before you pay for the permits. If you havenít already.
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Hey all,
apparently i don't have enough posts to start a thread to properly introduce myself. We live in central Tx, have been in Texas for 20 years now. Have five sons that hunt with me and two daughters that don't ;-). Lots of kids sports going on so sometimes hard to get them out in the field... high school, middle school and pop warner football right now for our three youngest.

Now to the point - I and two sons got drawn for LANWR on the Nov 15-19 hunt. I've hunted there once before, and have found the accommodations are difficult.. we stayed in Los Fresnos last time in a dive of a place that took a solid 55 min to get to. This time, i was planning to camp at Thomae park but from what i gather they just stack the tents right up next to each other so that'll be a snorefest... and it's not very close to the allowed entrance anyways.

So we have rented a 2BR/2BA condo in Laguna Vista and will have an extra bedroom and a bathroom available that I'd like to rent out. Both to split the costs and meet some like minded TBH folks. This will be a quiet place to rest up for the next day's adventures, not a party pad, so ideally we're looking for someone who's even more serious about the hunt than we are. There's a grill and what looks like a decent kitchen. I believe based on my all-in costs 1/2 would be roughly $275 for checkin 14th and checkout 19th. Based on google maps it's less than 20 minutes to the Refuge entrance.

Shoot me a PM if interested and i can provide more details. Meanwhile i'll try to figure out how to find my PMs I'd like to get this nailed down by end of month. Thanks
Laguna Vista is the Bess option to stay. Only a few minutes away. Iíve stayed there before and again this year.
Hopefully we can meet yíall on the hunt. Best of luck.
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Laguna Vista is the Bess option to stay. Only a few minutes away. Iíve stayed there before and again this year.
Hopefully we can meet yíall on the hunt. Best of luck.
Where at in Laguna Vista?
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Old 09-15-2019, 10:39 PM   #138
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Where at in Laguna Vista?
We (GBludau) booked thru spigolfrentals.com. Itís at the SPI golf course. Literally 10 minutes from the refuge. I stayed in that same subdivision my first year.
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:08 AM   #139
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Yes.


Guys, if you are looking for a place to stay. This is your best bet, no matter the size of tour your group.

I've stayed here before.

If you need more info I can get the details.

$700/weekly for 2bed/baths. Thats cheap for such nice amenities and SO CLOSE to the refuge.

We got a big tow house on the bay for $1,300. Sleeps 10! If you want to make a reservations let me know, if you call tell Crystal Greg referred you. She may give a TBH discount!

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Laguna Vista is the Bess option to stay. Only a few minutes away. Iíve stayed there before and again this year.
Hopefully we can meet yíall on the hunt. Best of luck.
appreciate it, y'all too!
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Yes.

Guys, if you are looking for a place to stay. This is your best bet, no matter the size of tour your group.
Not sure we'll be rolling like GBludau "on" the bay, but there looks like some muddy water in the backyard. Same neighborhood anyways
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Old 09-16-2019, 10:39 AM   #142
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I got selected 11/-11/5 (first time applying). This will be my first bow hunt.

I have shot rifle my entire life and have had many successful hunts on Nilgai. This is going to be interesting and challenging given how tough and hard these animals are to hunt.


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Old 09-16-2019, 11:25 AM   #143
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I got selected 11/-11/5 (first time applying). This will be my first bow hunt.

I have shot rifle my entire life and have had many successful hunts on Nilgai. This is going to be interesting and challenging given how tough and hard these animals are to hunt.


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This is your first eve bow hunt? Clearly you know how these animals are so it will take a lil extra on public land, but it will be fun nonetheless. And hot
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Old 09-16-2019, 11:46 AM   #144
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This is your first eve bow hunt? Clearly you know how these animals are so it will take a lil extra on public land, but it will be fun nonetheless. And hot


Yup and first public land hunt. I have been fortunate to hunt private ranches for over 30 years. I didnít sign up for easy so Iím looking forward to it!


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Old 09-16-2019, 12:13 PM   #145
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Dang that's awesome. No better place to cut your teeth than at Laguna. If you kill something, you will def have done dang good job. Good luck to ya
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Old 09-16-2019, 01:51 PM   #146
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How are people handling the game once harvested? Do they offer any assistance or are you expected to haul it out?


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Old 09-16-2019, 02:01 PM   #147
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Make TBH friends first before the hunt or you'll be hauling it yourself. LOL
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Old 09-16-2019, 02:38 PM   #148
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Yep. Sometimes the refuge will lend a hand but don’t go expecting that.
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Old 09-16-2019, 02:51 PM   #149
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Old 09-16-2019, 04:40 PM   #150
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Got drawn for the general season hunt too! But I got drawn for the Balcones Canyonlands NWR on the same weekend in december. Since im stuck between the two, which do yall recommend taking the tags on? Thanks!
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