The Official 2019 TBH APR Special Thread! - Page 4 - TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums

XR650RRider · 01-31-2019, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 150class

Holy crap you have that scope pushed alllllllll the way in front lol

Looks like assuming got me as it usually does.

When your 6'10" that's where it needs to be.

RF76 · 01-31-2019, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stick1

This is what it would be. Ya'll will have to decide if it's close enough.

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Looks good.

RF76 · 01-31-2019, 03:35 PM

Robert, how much extra would it be to have the action cerakote to match the barrel.

CastAndBlast · 01-31-2019, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by XR650RRider

When your 6'10" that's where it needs to be.

Ha! That makes sense now!

jettech17 · 01-31-2019, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RF76

Robert, how much extra would it be to have the action cerakote to match the barrel.

Wasnt an option when I ordered

Stick1 · 01-31-2019, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RF76

Robert, how much extra would it be to have the action cerakote to match the barrel.

To match carbon fiber?

cb4128 · 01-31-2019, 04:33 PM

Looks like there's some confusion with the bolt body and the action body. The action body should be cerakoted to match the small portions of the CF barrels (on the tier 1) - but the bolt body is already dlc coated...see below in Robert's original post

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Originally Posted by Stick1

What it is:

Tier -1 Light Weight Carbon/Carbon build
Action – APR Hunter. DLC coated bolt and 20 MOA rail
Barrel – Proof Research Sendero profile. Threaded 5/8-24 with blended thread protector. You choose chamber, Bbl length, twist.
Stock – AG Composites Alpine Hunter. Stock will include bi-pod rail, 2 flush cups and inserts provided for Arca Rail adapter. You choose color/finish.
Bottom Metal – Gen 2 APR BDL(Black Hard Anodized)
Trigger – Trigger Tech Primary.
Cerakote – You choose color for action body and CF barrel tips.
Left-handed versions available
Price = $2,499 plus tax
Approx weight = 7lbs

Tier -2 Carbon/Steel build
Action – APR Gen 2. Full DLC finish and 20 MOA rail
Barrel – MullerWorks Cut-rifled Sendero profile. Threaded 5/8-24 with blended thread protector. You choose chamber, Bbl length, twist and fluting.
Stock – AG Composites Alpine Hunter. Stock will include bi-pod rail, 2 flush cups and inserts provided for Arca Rail adapter. You choose color/finish.
Bottom Metal – Gen 2 APR BDL(Black Hard Anodized)
Trigger – Trigger Tech Primary.
Cerakote – Action is DLC coated black. You choose barrel color.
Left-handed versions available
Price = $2,199 plus tax
Approx Weight = 8 lbs

Available Upgrades:
Trigger upgrades - TT Special +$55/TT Diamond +$140
Bottom Metal - Hawkins DBM w/ 5 rnd Accurate mag +$150
Muzzle Brakes - Area 419 Hellfire +$179/ Blended Radial +$125/ Blended and timed Gill +$150
Stock Paint – Custom stencil patterns +$250

Smoothing Iron · 01-31-2019, 04:44 PM

Might have missed this but I don't see any one saying they ordered 300 Win Mag. Any reason for this?

AggieDoc08 · 01-31-2019, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoothing Iron

Might have missed this but I don't see any one saying they ordered 300 Win Mag. Any reason for this?

Still working out my details, but 300WM is my plan.

jettech17 · 01-31-2019, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cb4128

Looks like there's some confusion with the bolt body and the action body. The action body should be cerakoted to match the small portions of the CF barrels (on the tier 1) - but the bolt body is already dlc coated...see below in Robert's original post

No confusion, in the tier 2 it isnt an option.

bloodtrail18 · 01-31-2019, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoothing Iron

Might have missed this but I don't see any one saying they ordered 300 Win Mag. Any reason for this?

I'm trying to stay with the lightweight theme and a 300WM doesn't sound fun in a lightweight gun IMO.

AggieDoc08 · 01-31-2019, 06:09 PM

Does anyone know if the Hellfire brake can be cerakoted to match the other metal on the rifle? I see the brake is available in raw stainless from Area 419

ColinR · 01-31-2019, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bloodtrail18

I'm trying to stay with the lightweight theme and a 300WM doesn't sound fun in a lightweight gun IMO.

Add the optional brake and it's no big deal at all. I have shot my buddies Christensen Ridgeline 300wm, and I have the same in 28 Nosler which weighs less than 7 lb and the recoil is not bad at all. To me those long range hammers are what a carbon fiber build is all about. I mean if it's light it's not a great bench gun it's meant to be packed up and down mountains or across rugged deserts where your going to want a long range hammer. If I was doing tier 1 it would be a 300wm, 7 rem mag, 28 Nosler, etc.

cwbrown · 01-31-2019, 06:47 PM

Tier 1 7 mag on order black on black with AG sawtooth color stock

Stick1 · 01-31-2019, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AggieDoc08

Does anyone know if the Hellfire brake can be cerakoted to match the other metal on the rifle? I see the brake is available in raw stainless from Area 419

Ok, probably a good time to discuss finishes and their applications. To answer this first question....yes, it can be Cerakoted. Is it a good idea? probably not so much. Cerakote is a good, durable finish of course. But it will not hold a candle to hard anodizing on surfaces that are subjected to continued blast...like a brake. The other thing to consider is the added thickness cerakote brings to the table. This is not very desirable for something like the 419 that relies on really tight tolerances to achieve it's alignment.

Somebody also asked about cerakoting the G2 action earlier. Of course it can be done. But I would certainly weigh the benefits of doing it before making the decision. That entire action is completely DLC (or PVD if you prefer) coated. It was chosen because it is the pinnacle of finishes at this time. It offers cerakote like protection, but with much higher lubricity and only adds about .0002 thickness allowing us to achieve much more precise tolerances on the final product. It is a superior finish, which it why it was chosen. In the end, we'll do whatever you want us to do. Just want to make sure everyone has all the facts in order to make the best decision for themselves.

jettech17 · 01-31-2019, 07:15 PM

Thank you for the details. I wasnt given that over the phone, just that it was already coated. Thank yall again for the opportunity at a great deal !!

OSU Fisher · 01-31-2019, 07:38 PM

Thanks for all the info! And giving everyone such a great deal! I don't own anything from you yet but plan on getting in on this! Pretty set on a 300wm in tier 1 but also would like to get something a little smaller for the girlfriend and range time for me. Thinking 7mm-08 but everyone talking 6.5prc has me torn. Tier 1 as well. Then deciding on colors... decisions decisions.

Silentnight · 01-31-2019, 07:54 PM

I've also ordered tier 1 in 300wm. 26" bbl. was planning on 28" but for the difference in velocity it wasn't worth the extra 2" since I will have an ultra 7 on the end. Animal on the other end won't notice the velocity difference. Should be enough for anything in North America at the distances I'm comfortable shooting

RF76 · 01-31-2019, 08:01 PM

[QUOTE=Stick1;13964860]To match carbon fiber?[/QUOTE

thanks for the info.

OSU Fisher · 01-31-2019, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Silentnight

I've also ordered tier 1 in 300wm. 26" bbl. was planning on 28" but for the difference in velocity it wasn't worth the extra 2" since I will have an ultra 7 on the end. Animal on the other end won't notice the velocity difference. Should be enough for anything in North America at the distances I'm comfortable shooting

I was thinking of trying to get the 300wm in 24" but may end up with the 26

Silentnight · 01-31-2019, 08:15 PM

I don't mind a little longer pipe, especially for a magnum. Gives a little more room to burn the extra powder

Txarrowhunter · 01-31-2019, 08:16 PM

I’m going graphite black on both rigs.

OSU Fisher · 01-31-2019, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Silentnight

I don't mind a little longer pipe, especially for a magnum. Gives a little more room to burn the extra powder

My only reason for the 24 is for packing as it will be a hunting rifle. I hunt some pretty steep and deep stuff chasing elk and muleys. Figured it will be about 26 after the brake.

Silentnight · 01-31-2019, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OSU Fisher

My only reason for the 24 is for packing as it will be a hunting rifle. I hunt some pretty steep and deep stuff chasing elk and muleys. Figured it will be about 26 after the brake.

If you reload you might could use a little faster burning powder to make up the velocity difference.

jeffpg · 01-31-2019, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ColinR

Add the optional brake and it's no big deal at all. I have shot my buddies Christensen Ridgeline 300wm, and I have the same in 28 Nosler which weighs less than 7 lb and the recoil is not bad at all. To me those long range hammers are what a carbon fiber build is all about. I mean if it's light it's not a great bench gun it's meant to be packed up and down mountains or across rugged deserts where your going to want a long range hammer. If I was doing tier 1 it would be a 300wm, 7 rem mag, 28 Nosler, etc.

Even 300 RUM is no problem with a good brake.

My 28 Nosler ultralight by APR weighs under 6 lbs and it’s not excessive pushing 195 grain Bergers with the brake.

Smoothing Iron · 01-31-2019, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ColinR

Add the optional brake and it's no big deal at all. I have shot my buddies Christensen Ridgeline 300wm, and I have the same in 28 Nosler which weighs less than 7 lb and the recoil is not bad at all. To me those long range hammers are what a carbon fiber build is all about. I mean if it's light it's not a great bench gun it's meant to be packed up and down mountains or across rugged deserts where your going to want a long range hammer. If I was doing tier 1 it would be a 300wm, 7 rem mag, 28 Nosler, etc.

Thanks for the input. I’m thinking tier 1 in 300WM with the brake for a good all around big game mountain gun.

OSU Fisher · 01-31-2019, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Silentnight

If you reload you might could use a little faster burning powder to make up the velocity difference.

Decisions.... what twist rate did you go with?

Silentnight · 01-31-2019, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OSU Fisher

Decisions.... what twist rate did you go with?

Went with a 10 twist. Got it throated for the Berger 215s also. What are you thinking of going with?

OSU Fisher · 01-31-2019, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Silentnight

Went with a 10 twist. Got it throated for the Berger 215s also. What are you thinking of going with?

I'm torn there as well lol. Was kinda thinking of changing it up and going 9 or 9.4 but the 10 is also a good option. I'm no expert though.. wish I was. Maybe someone on here is and will point me in the right direction.

OSU Fisher · 01-31-2019, 10:08 PM

For the 7mm-08 guys did you go 1-9 twist or something else?

RF76 · 01-31-2019, 10:32 PM

https://mannersstocks.com/color-and-finishes/

From the Elite Camo pattern which of these two. The Elite tactical swamp or Black forest.

gneimeth · 01-31-2019, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoothing Iron

Might have missed this but I don't see any one saying they ordered 300 Win Mag. Any reason for this?

I ordered the 300 WM in the Tier 2 with a brake. Maybe I’ll tegret the extra pound but felt like the heavier gun will help with recoil and I’ll just have to make sure I’m in good shape when hiking with it.

DXTApache · 01-31-2019, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OSU Fisher

For the 7mm-08 guys did you go 1-9 twist or something else?

I went with 1:9. Still trying to decide if I want to jump in with the 20” bbl guys. I ordered a 22” but not sure there are 5 of us to satisfy the minimum order.

OSU Fisher · 01-31-2019, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DXTApache

I went with 1:9. Still trying to decide if I want to jump in with the 20” bbl guys. I ordered a 22” but not sure there are 5 of us to satisfy the minimum order.

Good chance I may be ordering the exact same as you. Figured if there wasnt enough I would jump to 20". Think I would rather that then 24

Phillip Fields · 02-01-2019, 07:02 AM

I'm getting close to pulling the trigger. I'm going Tier 1, 7mm-08, 20" barrel. Still undecided on Cerakote and stock color. Also still thinking about twist, I'm going to shoot either the 140 or 150 Nosler Partition.

one66stang · 02-01-2019, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Phillip Fields

I'm getting close to pulling the trigger. I'm going Tier 1, 7mm-08, 20" barrel. Still undecided on Cerakote and stock color. Also still thinking about twist, I'm going to shoot either the 140 or 150 Nosler Partition.

I’m sitting in the same boat with you.

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Buzzsaw · 02-01-2019, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RF76

https://mannersstocks.com/color-and-finishes/

From the Elite Camo pattern which of these two. The Elite tactical swamp or Black forest.

nice but i dont think these are choices in our TBH builds

Smoothing Iron · 02-01-2019, 01:53 PM

Leaning towards 300WM but also considering 280AI. Any advantages or disadvantages of one over the other as a solid elk sized game round?

RF76 · 02-01-2019, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw

nice but i dont think these are choices in our TBH builds

I am going with the pattern from Picture 2 from post #141 that Stick1 posted.

I'm just going to ask them to add sage green to the other two colors.

Now I am trying to decide which barrel color. I am between midnight bronze or graphite black with the ratchet fluting.

JTCowpoke · 02-01-2019, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoothing Iron

Leaning towards 300WM but also considering 280AI. Any advantages or disadvantages of one over the other as a solid elk sized game round?

I was in the same boat. The differences are the 300wm can push heavier bullets a little faster because of the additional case capacity for powder.

The reasons I choose the 280AI was because I wanted a shorter barrel and the extra powder probably would be burnt anyway, I didn't want to deal with belted case of the 300wm when reloading, the 280AI has less recoil and it still carries enough speed and energy to kill elk out to 600 yards which is further than I would shoot and elk anyways.

Smoothing Iron · 02-01-2019, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JTCowpoke

I was in the same boat. The differences are the 300wm can push heavier bullets a little faster because of the additional case capacity for powder.

The reasons I choose the 280AI was because I wanted a shorter barrel and the extra powder probably would be burnt anyway, I didn't want to deal with belted case of the 300wm when reloading, the 280AI has less recoil and it still carries enough speed and energy to kill elk out to 600 yards which is further than I would shoot and elk anyways.

Thanks for the info. How much shorter of a barrel did you go with on the 280AI?

bloodtrail18 · 02-01-2019, 02:34 PM

I'm going with a 24in 1:9 in 280AI.

H-D · 02-01-2019, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JTCowpoke

I was in the same boat. The differences are the 300wm can push heavier bullets a little faster because of the additional case capacity for powder.

The reasons I choose the 280AI was because I wanted a shorter barrel and the extra powder probably would be burnt anyway, I didn't want to deal with belted case of the 300wm when reloading, the 280AI has less recoil and it still carries enough speed and energy to kill elk out to 600 yards which is further than I would shoot and elk anyways.

Now how does this compare to 6.5saum?

gfulton · 02-01-2019, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw

nice but i dont think these are choices in our TBH builds

Yes they are Buzz just checked w/Garrett

JTCowpoke · 02-01-2019, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoothing Iron

Thanks for the info. How much shorter of a barrel did you go with on the 280AI?

I'm trying to get a 22" -8.4 twist on the 280AI but I can only get the 22" if 3 more people want a 22" 7mm barrel. If I can't get it then I will get a 24" with an 8.4 twist so I can shoot the 175 grain bullets for elk.

JTCowpoke · 02-01-2019, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by H-D

Now how does this compare to 6.5saum?

I'm no expert by any means, but the saum's 300, 7mm and 6.5 all use the same case. The amount of powder and velocities are very similar to the 280AI. The limiting factor in the 6.5 is using lighter weight bullets around 140g. Plus I don't like the short fat cases which limits you to one less round when using a bdl bottom plate.

Phillip Fields · 02-01-2019, 04:36 PM

Order Placed:
Tier 1
7mm-08, 20", 1 in 8" twist
Carbon Desert Night Stock
Magpul FDE Cerakote

robie · 02-01-2019, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gfulton

Yes they are Buzz just checked w/Garrett

Will they do any manners finish?

Buzzsaw · 02-01-2019, 06:54 PM

dang one thing i would change would be to post pictures of ALL stock patterns/colors to choose from, not 1 million color combinations.

gfulton · 02-01-2019, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by robie

Will they do any manners finish?

They said yes.

01-31-2019, 08:01 PM	#169
RF76 Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Texas Hunt In: South Texas	[QUOTE=Stick1;13964860]To match carbon fiber?[/QUOTE thanks for the info. Last edited by RF76; 01-31-2019 at 08:08 PM.

01-31-2019, 10:32 PM	#181
RF76 Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Texas Hunt In: South Texas	https://mannersstocks.com/color-and-finishes/ From the Elite Camo pattern which of these two. The Elite tactical swamp or Black forest. Last edited by RF76; 01-31-2019 at 10:35 PM.

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01-31-2019, 03:35 PM	#153
RF76 Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Texas Hunt In: South Texas	Robert, how much extra would it be to have the action cerakote to match the barrel.

01-31-2019, 04:44 PM	#158
Smoothing Iron Spike Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Dallas Hunt In: Llano	Might have missed this but I don't see any one saying they ordered 300 Win Mag. Any reason for this?

01-31-2019, 06:09 PM	#162
AggieDoc08 Four Point Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Montgomery, TX Hunt In: Concho and Menard	Does anyone know if the Hellfire brake can be cerakoted to match the other metal on the rifle? I see the brake is available in raw stainless from Area 419

01-31-2019, 06:47 PM	#164
cwbrown Four Point Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: San Antonio Hunt In: Brady	Tier 1 7 mag on order black on black with AG sawtooth color stock

01-31-2019, 07:15 PM	#166
jettech17 Ten Point Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pearland,Tx Hunt In: comstock, public	Thank you for the details. I wasnt given that over the phone, just that it was already coated. Thank yall again for the opportunity at a great deal !!

01-31-2019, 07:38 PM	#167
OSU Fisher Four Point Join Date: Jan 2019 Hunt In: All over	Thanks for all the info! And giving everyone such a great deal! I don't own anything from you yet but plan on getting in on this! Pretty set on a 300wm in tier 1 but also would like to get something a little smaller for the girlfriend and range time for me. Thinking 7mm-08 but everyone talking 6.5prc has me torn. Tier 1 as well. Then deciding on colors... decisions decisions.

01-31-2019, 07:54 PM	#168
Silentnight Four Point Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Central TX Hunt In: Jourdanton/S. Texas	I've also ordered tier 1 in 300wm. 26" bbl. was planning on 28" but for the difference in velocity it wasn't worth the extra 2" since I will have an ultra 7 on the end. Animal on the other end won't notice the velocity difference. Should be enough for anything in North America at the distances I'm comfortable shooting

01-31-2019, 08:15 PM	#171
Silentnight Four Point Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Central TX Hunt In: Jourdanton/S. Texas	I don't mind a little longer pipe, especially for a magnum. Gives a little more room to burn the extra powder

01-31-2019, 08:16 PM	#172
Txarrowhunter Ten Point Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: 817 Hunt In: Parker county	I’m going graphite black on both rigs.

01-31-2019, 10:08 PM	#180
OSU Fisher Four Point Join Date: Jan 2019 Hunt In: All over	For the 7mm-08 guys did you go 1-9 twist or something else?

02-01-2019, 07:02 AM	#185
Phillip Fields Pope & Young Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chesapeake, VA Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can	I'm getting close to pulling the trigger. I'm going Tier 1, 7mm-08, 20" barrel. Still undecided on Cerakote and stock color. Also still thinking about twist, I'm going to shoot either the 140 or 150 Nosler Partition.

02-01-2019, 01:53 PM	#188
Smoothing Iron Spike Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Dallas Hunt In: Llano	Leaning towards 300WM but also considering 280AI. Any advantages or disadvantages of one over the other as a solid elk sized game round?

02-01-2019, 02:34 PM	#192
bloodtrail18 Eight Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Celina, Tx Hunt In: Uvalde, Tx	I'm going with a 24in 1:9 in 280AI.

02-01-2019, 04:36 PM	#197
Phillip Fields Pope & Young Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chesapeake, VA Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can	Order Placed: Tier 1 7mm-08, 20", 1 in 8" twist Carbon Desert Night Stock Magpul FDE Cerakote

02-01-2019, 06:54 PM	#199
Buzzsaw Six Point Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Frisco Texas Hunt In: Frio County	dang one thing i would change would be to post pictures of ALL stock patterns/colors to choose from, not 1 million color combinations.