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Old 11-09-2019, 04:19 AM   #1
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I've been hunting east Tx for about 25yrs and I love it.
Made some life long friends and memories. My dad had a lease in Kimble county for about 15 to 17 yrs and lost it in the early to mid 80s when I was still to young to hunt but was old enough to remember the place and love it.
It's been my dream to have a lease in that area again but have never been able to afford it and live.
I got pretty close to it a couple of years ago on a place about 40 mile from my dad and uncles place but it fell through.
So my question is how much money does a person have to make in order to hunt the hill country and still afford to live?
I'm not going to say what I do for a living but I'm a public servant. Is it possible for me to afford a lease in the hill country or will it always be a dream? Just curious on what ya'll guys think.
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Old 11-09-2019, 05:29 AM   #2
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I don't think it has much to do with yearly income, per se. It depends on how you budget and where you and your family feel comfortable making sacrifices in able to make it work. I currently am not in a financial situation to be able to afford a hill country lease either. I am also a public servant. But, my wife is a budget maniac and we do okay. I will have a hill country lease, one day. Maybe not this year, next year, or the next 3 years.. but one day..
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Old 11-09-2019, 05:58 AM   #3
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Thereís not a set salary number that can answer your question.

How I spend a $100k a year salary is probably different than the next guy, or a $50k salary.

It all depends on what level of ďlivingĒ you want to do outside the hill country lease.


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Old 11-09-2019, 06:29 AM   #4
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How you manage the money you aren’t using on the lease is more of a determining factor of if you will ever afford a hill country lease. I know plenty of folks that make 6 figures and couldn’t afford it, and I also know a few who make half of that and could.
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Old 11-09-2019, 06:43 AM   #5
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How you manage the money you arenít using on the lease is more of a determining factor of if you will ever afford a hill country lease. I know plenty of folks that make 6 figures and couldnít afford it, and I also know a few who make half of that and could.
Bingeaux!!! Debt can be a dream killer....period. I marvel at some of the consumer items folks purchase. It is all relative when it comes to finances. Bowhunting is a priority for me thus I consciously make decisions throughout the year that will not impede opportunities.

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Old 11-09-2019, 06:55 AM   #6
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Start a hill country hunting account. Then get out there and earn some extra money to fund that account. It worked for me as a young pup. I’d have it funded and be hunting the hill country next year.
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Old 11-09-2019, 07:01 AM   #7
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A lease is about $3000. Budget $300 a month and you’ll be good.
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Old 11-09-2019, 07:11 AM   #8
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Iím a teacher, my wifeís a nurse. We hunt the hill country. Would Dave Ramsey approve? Prolly not but life is short and hunting as well as making sure our kids grow up hunting is more than just a hobby itís a lifestyle. Our bills are paid every month and kids are taken care of so why not


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Old 11-09-2019, 07:19 AM   #9
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I am fortunate and blessed enough to not have to worry about the cost to much but some of the guys on my lease are not and do have to budget. They say that having a landowner that is willing to split the lease payment up into 3 installments (if needed) has helped them tremendously
It seems that smallish payments make parting with the money an easier pill to swallow for them
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Old 11-09-2019, 07:23 AM   #10
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How you manage the money you arenít using on the lease is more of a determining factor of if you will ever afford a hill country lease. I know plenty of folks that make 6 figures and couldnít afford it, and I also know a few who make half of that and could.
This! I'm retired so now my situation is a little different. When I was working I always had 2 separate bank accounts. One was "real money" meaning my county check that went for Bill's and regular living life stuff. The other was the extra job account that paid for deer leases, vacations, toys, or whatever "extravagances" I could save enough for. It was a lot easier to do another 6 or 8 hours after the regular job when you know it's for something good. Might not work for everybody or be the smart thing but it worked for us!
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Old 11-09-2019, 07:35 AM   #11
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I've been hunting east Tx for about 25yrs and I love it.
Made some life long friends and memories. My dad had a lease in Kimble county for about 15 to 17 yrs and lost it in the early to mid 80s when I was still to young to hunt but was old enough to remember the place and love it.
It's been my dream to have a lease in that area again but have never been able to afford it and live.
I got pretty close to it a couple of years ago on a place about 40 mile from my dad and uncles place but it fell through.
So my question is how much money does a person have to make in order to hunt the hill country and still afford to live?
I'm not going to say what I do for a living but I'm a public servant. Is it possible for me to afford a lease in the hill country or will it always be a dream? Just curious on what ya'll guys think.
This East Texas boy has hunted the hill country for almost 4 decades. I would say not a dime over 10% of your net {bring home} dollars.
Around 4K is the norm these days I think so you need to bring home at least 40K a year. Crunching numbers I was at 7% most of the years I paid for a lease.
The wife and I looked at it as a hotel and dinners one weekend every month in Galveston or New Orleans. Around $400.00 a month. We loved spending a weekend at the lease instead of Galveston. {same price}
Good luck to you................
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Old 11-09-2019, 07:39 AM   #12
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I understand the budgeting of it. And yes I guess your right, I work my standard 40hr week then two regular side jobs. I've never been the guy that can go out and buy a new sxs or 4 wheeler. I've always have bought cheap and worked on and fixed up good enough to use. I also understand that in the area I live in right now the salary for what I do is sad.
Your right hully1029 I will have a hill country lease one day, might be down the road but it will happen.
I'm fortunate to be a ke ro hunt and am thankful for that. I'm taking my oldest on his first sit this week after he gets out of school. I have as my own lease that I paid for sense I was old enough not to.hunt under my dad 18yrs old that we lost a few years ago in Anderson County.
But it seems that hunting is becoming a rich man's sport and a statis symbol and less about feeding the family.
It just seems that if your not a Dr or a lawyer you can afford to hunt the rocks and cactus anymore.
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Old 11-09-2019, 07:44 AM   #13
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It’s a lot easier when your spouse is on board with saving for and spending money on hunting also.
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Old 11-09-2019, 07:53 AM   #14
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Iím a teacher, my wifeís a nurse. We hunt the hill country. Would Dave Ramsey approve? Prolly not but life is short and hunting as well as making sure our kids grow up hunting is more than just a hobby itís a lifestyle. Our bills are paid every month and kids are taken care of so why not


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Old 11-09-2019, 08:04 AM   #15
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I understand what you are saying, and lived it myself for a long time. I went about 10yrs without a lease at all. When you make a certain amount there is no way to save. There is nothing to save. Every single bit goes to bills, any extra goes to replace the tires that are way over worn or whatever just trying to keep up. Thankfully I havent been in that situation in 10+yrs but I remember it real well....

One thing to remember if there is just no way to budget it in, is that your financial situation should change as you get older, nothing is forever and you may have to suffer without it now to put yourself in a position to be able to afford it later.
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Old 11-09-2019, 08:41 AM   #16
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So many variables. My hunting budget is a separate account and is funded with aggressive contributions and probably more than most would be comfortable spending. One variable - my wife is cool with it, and I do the budget. I take the family on several weekend trips on one big trip a year to keep things balanced. For me, this is the way. Happy wife = lots of hunting. As for how much do you have to make isn’t what you need to ask yourself. Maybe instead of a new truck maybe you throw $1,200 a month into an account. See how that feels for a while. After a year or so, add another $1,000 per month, and so on. I guess if I had to put a finger minimum funding, $1,000 a month of funds being allocated to hunting. This would cover lease, feed, blinds, travel, taxidermy, etc.
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Old 11-09-2019, 09:00 AM   #17
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Unfortunately, prices will probably outpace salary increases as more and more people move here and more and more land is developed. See if you can make friends with someone that has land in the hill country and you’re set.
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Old 11-09-2019, 09:05 AM   #18
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I would agree on the numbers everyone is saying. Your hardest part may not be the budgeting, it’s going to be finding a place. Start putting feelers out early - newspapers, feed store bulletin boards, word of mouth, etc. around the area you want to be. They go quick unless you already know of somewhere! Best of luck! A wonderful goal to work towards.
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Old 11-09-2019, 09:06 AM   #19
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It’s easier to just move here instead of trying to afford it from afar.
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Old 11-09-2019, 09:21 AM   #20
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I've had a hill country lease four times over the last two decades. One was bad and only lasted one season. One was great and we were there six seasons but the landowner grew worse over the years so we left. The one I have now this is my sixth season on.
I'm a retired public servant. My priorities were to never be in debt and live within my means. If it took working side jobs to afford a lease or hunt I did so. We paid off our (small but liveable) house in thirteen years and have decided not to go into debt again just because we can now afford a bigger and nicer home.
I have been blessed with a wise wife, good opportunities and have had a good life.

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Old 11-09-2019, 09:30 AM   #21
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Iím a teacher, my wifeís a nurse. We hunt the hill country. Would Dave Ramsey approve? Prolly not but life is short and hunting as well as making sure our kids grow up hunting is more than just a hobby itís a lifestyle. Our bills are paid every month and kids are taken care of so why not


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Old 11-09-2019, 09:32 AM   #22
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I’m in same situation as you. I have played hard my entire career. I make my $$$$ work my EJs. I work at least 20hours of them a week and make at least $50k a year extra. Allows me to vacation and play hard. It’s a question only you can answer. Are you willing to do what it takes to play hard. Sure you will sleep less, work when you don’t want to, work on Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years Eve and so on. I don’t tur anything down- I stand out there in 100 plus heat walking behind an asphalt truck for the $$$$. Melted two pairs of shoes this last Summer.
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Old 11-09-2019, 09:44 AM   #23
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“Bowhunting is a priority for me thus I consciously make decisions throughout the year that will not impede opportunities.”

^^^^^What Landrover said above. I do not have any other hobbies that I spend money on. The rest of my time is spent with Family and work.
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Old 11-09-2019, 10:00 AM   #24
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it's hard to do but you can find the righ place. Have been very fortunate to hunt the same property for 30 years. price has gone from $660 to $1000 from 1989 to 2019. $9 an acre. Have to spend time in the right places talking to locals. Like i say its, hard to find just the right place but they are out there.
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Old 11-09-2019, 10:16 AM   #25
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Iím a teacher, my wifeís a nurse. We hunt the hill country. Would Dave Ramsey approve? Prolly not but life is short and hunting as well as making sure our kids grow up hunting is more than just a hobby itís a lifestyle. Our bills are paid every month and kids are taken care of so why not


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This... and also have a side, work at home job, doing medical record reviews and summaries for a law firm. It makes the extra payments on our regular bills to pay things off quicker, vacations, and some of the extras so I donít have to think about budgeting for when an appliance or whatever when something breaks.

I could answer your question better if you said how much you have to spend on hunting each year and then I could tell you if you could afford to be on our lease in Brady...
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Old 11-09-2019, 10:32 AM   #26
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This East Texas boy has hunted the hill country for almost 4 decades. I would say not a dime over 10% of your net {bring home} dollars.

Around 4K is the norm these days I think so you need to bring home at least 40K a year. Crunching numbers I was at 7% most of the years I paid for a lease.

The wife and I looked at it as a hotel and dinners one weekend every month in Galveston or New Orleans. Around $400.00 a month. We loved spending a weekend at the lease instead of Galveston. {same price}

Good luck to you................


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Old 11-09-2019, 10:51 AM   #27
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I've been hunting east Tx for about 25yrs and I love it.
Made some life long friends and memories. My dad had a lease in Kimble county for about 15 to 17 yrs and lost it in the early to mid 80s when I was still to young to hunt but was old enough to remember the place and love it.
It's been my dream to have a lease in that area again but have never been able to afford it and live.
I got pretty close to it a couple of years ago on a place about 40 mile from my dad and uncles place but it fell through.
So my question is how much money does a person have to make in order to hunt the hill country and still afford to live?
I'm not going to say what I do for a living but I'm a public servant. Is it possible for me to afford a lease in the hill country or will it always be a dream? Just curious on what ya'll guys think.
There are some leases in your back yard (so to speak) that are managed well, are up and comers. The prices may be high for our area on said leases but consider the drive to the hill country. That is unless you just long for the hill country atmosphere. Look at what has been coming out of Nacogdoches County. I think allot of people are finally wising up and keeping the pics off of social media.
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Old 11-09-2019, 10:52 AM   #28
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There are a lot of good suggestions here. My opinion which doesn't mean much is only you know what your debt to income ratio is. Sit down do a true budget and see how much money you have left after all bills are paid.

Make sure your retirement savings are included in that monthly debt.

Once you see how much extra money there is, you can look seriously at where you can cut expenses to help start your hunting fund. You and your wife then decide how much you can put into that account each month. I would suggest $500 a month to cover all lease expenses a year.

Like I said, this is just my opinion.

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Old 11-09-2019, 11:00 AM   #29
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My hill country lease is cheaper than my east Tx lease.


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Old 11-09-2019, 12:02 PM   #30
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Itís easier to just move here instead of trying to afford it from afar.
Please dont listen to this guy. We dont need more people moving here.
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:14 PM   #31
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You can find a hill country lease for less that $3-4K. May have to find a small acreage spot but mine has been great for the last 13 years. Bottom line is budget, priorities, and determining if you need some extra source of income to help.
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:23 PM   #32
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I understand the budgeting of it. And yes I guess your right, I work my standard 40hr week then two regular side jobs. I've never been the guy that can go out and buy a new sxs or 4 wheeler. I've always have bought cheap and worked on and fixed up good enough to use. I also understand that in the area I live in right now the salary for what I do is sad.
Your right hully1029 I will have a hill country lease one day, might be down the road but it will happen.
I'm fortunate to be a ke ro hunt and am thankful for that. I'm taking my oldest on his first sit this week after he gets out of school. I have as my own lease that I paid for sense I was old enough not to.hunt under my dad 18yrs old that we lost a few years ago in Anderson County.
But it seems that hunting is becoming a rich man's sport and a statis symbol and less about feeding the family.
It just seems that if your not a Dr or a lawyer you can afford to hunt the rocks and cactus anymore.
You will never be able to afford a lease or anything with that attitude. Aim high in life, if you miss youre in the same spot you are now. I'm not rich by any means but live super comfortable because I always wanted more in life. New job, better salary, opportunity, etc.

It's people that "settle" that always complain they don't have enough in life. Go get it!
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:23 PM   #33
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I don't make a lot of money and have hunted there for years. All about what you make a priority. My son always said "Must be nice to be able to afford a place out there". I told him he spends more per month on cigarettes than I do on my lease. He hasn't mentioned it since.
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:33 PM   #34
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All about priorities!
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:38 PM   #35
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I understand the budgeting of it. And yes I guess your right, I work my standard 40hr week then two regular side jobs. I've never been the guy that can go out and buy a new sxs or 4 wheeler. I've always have bought cheap and worked on and fixed up good enough to use. I also understand that in the area I live in right now the salary for what I do is sad.
Your right hully1029 I will have a hill country lease one day, might be down the road but it will happen.
I'm fortunate to be a ke ro hunt and am thankful for that. I'm taking my oldest on his first sit this week after he gets out of school. I have as my own lease that I paid for sense I was old enough not to.hunt under my dad 18yrs old that we lost a few years ago in Anderson County.
But it seems that hunting is becoming a rich man's sport and a statis symbol and less about feeding the family.
It just seems that if your not a Dr or a lawyer you can afford to hunt the rocks and cactus anymore
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I don't know very many doctors or lawyers, but I know a lot of cops, firemen, factory workers, construction hands, plumbers, electricians, etc. that hunt the hill country. They can afford to do so, because they BUDGET to do so. I guess I can probably afford to hunt anywhere in the world that I want to, but that wasn't always the case. Heck, years ago, if I wanted to afford my old East Texas paper company lease then I had to make sacrifices in other areas. There are types of hunting that is catered more towards the wealthy. There is public land hunting that costs about $48 year. There are literally hundreds of options in between. Set you a lease budget and work towards making it a reality. Good luck!!!
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:40 PM   #36
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I understand the budgeting of it. And yes I guess your right, I work my standard 40hr week then two regular side jobs. I've never been the guy that can go out and buy a new sxs or 4 wheeler. I've always have bought cheap and worked on and fixed up good enough to use. I also understand that in the area I live in right now the salary for what I do is sad.
Your right hully1029 I will have a hill country lease one day, might be down the road but it will happen.
I'm fortunate to be a ke ro hunt and am thankful for that. I'm taking my oldest on his first sit this week after he gets out of school. I have as my own lease that I paid for sense I was old enough not to.hunt under my dad 18yrs old that we lost a few years ago in Anderson County.
But it seems that hunting is becoming a rich man's sport and a statis symbol and less about feeding the family.
It just seems that if your not a Dr or a lawyer you can afford to hunt the rocks and cactus anymore.
If you're worried about feeding your family, then a hill country lease is not near as cost efficient as your local Kroger store.
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:42 PM   #37
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I put $250 aside every month of the year for hunting. It covers my half of a hill country lease and corn for feeding September through December.
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Old 11-09-2019, 01:06 PM   #38
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I move from the south Texas/ carrizo springs area to the hill country
Lease in ST was $12000 per year, then owner required year round protein & cotton seed = another $1000 per month in feed then travel time and cost every month
Hillcounrty is definitely much more economic sense and does not require a 6 figure job
I see a feed dealership post on 2cool and I think he gets $56000 a year for a package deal ( land and feed cost) and that just makes the LO in South Texas feel pressure to follow their high $$$ programs, West Texas and Hillcounrty just makes more sense budget wise
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Old 11-09-2019, 01:26 PM   #39
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I have been hunting west Texas for 15 years. I was not making what I make now and managed to afford it. I have since gotten married and had kids and still hunt the same lease. We make it a priority, as we enjoy it as a family.

Hill country deer leases are cheap compared to boats.
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Old 11-09-2019, 02:22 PM   #40
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But it seems that hunting is becoming a rich man's sport and a statis symbol and less about feeding the family.
It just seems that if your not a Dr or a lawyer you can afford to hunt the rocks and cactus anymore.
This is such a bs cop out for you donít budget properly. Saying a hill country lease, or any lease is about feeding the family is complete bs. If you want to put meat on the table and thatís what your worried about go to Aldi or Costco. You want a hill country lease to spend time and enjoy it so make it a priority. Cut back on eating out, booze, etc and put that money in a lease fund.
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Old 11-09-2019, 02:32 PM   #41
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East Texas going to East Texas in this one.
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Old 11-09-2019, 02:40 PM   #42
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This is such a bs cop out for you donít budget properly. Saying a hill country lease, or any lease is about feeding the family is complete bs. If you want to put meat on the table and thatís what your worried about go to Aldi or Costco. You want a hill country lease to spend time and enjoy it so make it a priority. Cut back on eating out, booze, etc and put that money in a lease fund.
I agree, and if meat is a priority, find a MLD 3 ranch , each year we had to kill around 60+ does and 30+ management bucks on our 15000 acres in Webb County
Before we could start our trophy hunting , so we never ever had a deer meat shortage on MLD ! Plus we had a few nilgai to
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Old 11-09-2019, 04:12 PM   #43
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Tough crowd. OP I understand how you feel and on the other end of things, I just had two of my closest friends have to back out of their obligations on one of my ranches in the hill country due to finances. I had been footing the bill for some time and had to call each of them and have the hard talk about ďneeds vs wantsĒ. A lease is a luxury and not a need. If you want to come hunt with me a few times this year pm me, maybe we can work something out.


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Old 11-09-2019, 06:28 PM   #44
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Lease fees make the landowner wealthy and you never get that money back. I say go look for a piece of land
and buy it. Plan for retirement and use it to hunt. It does not have to be a monster chunk of land. I hunt a 8 ac parcel that gives us and others hundreds of axis and whitetail through out the years. Buy it, own it and hunt how you like. Sell it and get your money back. Hill country land by me in Harper is going for 8-12k an acre now. An investment you can use. Hope you can make it happen.
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Old 11-09-2019, 06:51 PM   #45
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Itís a lot easier when your spouse is on board with saving for and spending money on hunting also.
It helps even more if she inherited 1000+ acres in the hill country. LOL I wish I was that lucky!
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Old 11-09-2019, 06:56 PM   #46
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We worked to hard to pay off debt. I’m on a 2800 acre lease in Kimble County. Amazing how much freedom you have to enjoy life when debt is paid down!
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Old 11-09-2019, 08:48 PM   #47
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The number one thing in paying for a Hill Country lease is, justification. If you can justify it, you will find a way to pay it. I have hunted the Hill Country and love it, but I cannot justify 4Grand for a Hill Country lease.
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Old 11-09-2019, 10:09 PM   #48
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I'm a public servant as well and I have had the same lease since 1990. I got lucky and am now considered family. I hunt just west of Austin and it cost me 1850 per year. I know it's really hard these days to find a lease where people actually like to hunt, dont require 2k in feed.and make you ask permission to kill a particular deer but they are out there.....somewhere.....best of luck
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Old 11-10-2019, 03:02 AM   #49
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Some very good advise, and some not so good-rude advise.
When you make 40k a year it's hard to justify 3k to 4k a year.
And I said that hunting (used to be about feeding the family) not I hunt to feed my family. I appreciate the advise and comments. I'll keep on keeping on and I will eventually have a lease where I want it. And your right tps7742 there are some really good places around here and Im fortunate enough to hunt a couple of place in really good areas. It's more about a change of scenery more that anything. And thanks mmlreiner I will PM you.
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Old 11-10-2019, 03:52 AM   #50
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Some very good advise, and some not so good-rude advise.
When you make 40k a year it's hard to justify 3k to 4k a year.
And I said that hunting (used to be about feeding the family) not I hunt to feed my family. I appreciate the advise and comments. I'll keep on keeping on and I will eventually have a lease where I want it. And your right tps7742 there are some really good places around here and Im fortunate enough to hunt a couple of place in really good areas. It's more about a change of scenery more that anything. And thanks mmlreiner I will PM you.
Good plan! One other thing you might try. Put in for some of the draw hunts if you dont already. I've only done them the last 2 years but already had 2 opportunities to hunt the hills and had a great time. It's not a lease but will you'll get to see some new dirt. Been years since I had a place in the hill country but it sure was fun to go back!

Great offer from mmlreiner, definitely good people!!!! I hope you end up finding what your looking for!
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