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Old 08-30-2021, 01:21 PM   #1
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i've been splitting cases lately on my 308. too many loadings ... so i decided it's time to get an annealer, i needed one for my long range gun and also for my 300blk as the modified 223 cases are cut past the original annealing anyways ... like anything else, i did some research on youtube to see what's out there and what the build quality is...

well, i had 2 finalists the annealeez 2.0 or the ugly annealer ... i contacted the manufacturer and ended up ordering the ugly annealer ...

I just received tracking info .. it's on the way .. i'll do a youtube video when i get it in ... anyhow ..they have a few videos on youtube , so here is one of them if you are interested in checking them out ...

I can't wait to test it out!

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Old 08-31-2021, 06:24 PM   #2
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Been wanting to get an sneaker for a while, high cost has typically kept me away. These two are high on the list, looking forward to your review.
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Old 08-31-2021, 06:42 PM   #3
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I have been doing “extensive research” on YouTube as well, I narrowed to the same two machines. I’m going with the Annealeez 3.0 because it’s built here. Can’t wait to see your review on this one as I was eyeballing it as well.
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Old 08-31-2021, 06:55 PM   #4
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I have the annealeez, and been very happy with it.
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Old 08-31-2021, 08:30 PM   #5
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Old 09-01-2021, 06:42 AM   #6
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Dang it! I'm still using a pan of water and a bernz o matic torch. He who dies with the most toys wins so now I know what I gotta do.
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Old 09-01-2021, 07:39 AM   #7
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Dang it! I'm still using a pan of water and a bernz o matic torch. He who dies with the most toys wins so now I know what I gotta do.
saw your post on the m1 super 90 the other day ... got one too .. back when they got imported by hk ... gonna start calling you my brother from another mother... lol ...
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Old 09-01-2021, 01:55 PM   #8
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Dang it! I'm still using a pan of water and a bernz o matic torch. He who dies with the most toys wins so now I know what I gotta do.

Why the pan of water? Wouldnít that harden the brass right back up?


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Old 09-01-2021, 01:58 PM   #9
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Yes you didÖbig money.
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Old 09-01-2021, 04:50 PM   #10
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Why the pan of water? Wouldnít that harden the brass right back up?


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No. Quenching in water below 450 deg does not harden brass. Necks reach 700 - 750 the instant the torch flame turns red around the neck at which point you quickly remove the flame and the necks cool down instantly to below 450 at which point you knock them all over into the water. Spread em out on a table to dry overnight. People been annealing like this for many many years and some old schoolers like me still do it when needed. Usually 5 or 6 reloadings before annealing again. I'm not a competition shooter so I don't need to be too scientific.
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Old 09-01-2021, 08:05 PM   #11
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Yes you didÖbig money.

Itís sure nice and fast though.

Eric Cortina did a bullet seating tension test with it vs an Anneal EZ (I think) flame annealer and the AMP was more consistent in seating tension and more accurate at 1000 yards.


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Old 09-01-2021, 09:46 PM   #12
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i'd say $1400 ! ouch! .. that's my annealer + the price i paid for my ruger precision...

you must do allot of long range shooting/ matches .
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Old 09-02-2021, 03:01 AM   #13
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I considered building an induction annealer. They seem to be faster than the flame annealers, however it seems they must be tuned for each caliber and headstamp to anneal without melting. Check out Reese on the Range on YouTube. Erik Cortina seems to favor the induction annealer, however I did not see his data as conclusive. If I had some sponsors for my shooting habit I could probably come up with their product as the right answer also.

So for now it's the propane torch and drill in a dark room.
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Old 09-03-2021, 01:12 PM   #14
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oh boy!!! it's here!!!! video this weekend!!!!
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Old 09-06-2021, 12:41 PM   #15
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Old 09-14-2021, 11:36 AM   #16
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Good analysis here on affects of annealing on seating pressure.

http://youtu.be/TqJZdNgRHuo
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Old 09-14-2021, 12:26 PM   #17
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Good analysis here on affects of annealing on seating pressure.

http://youtu.be/TqJZdNgRHuo
i loaded a batch of 308 after annealing and you can close your eyes and feel... they all seat with the same pressure!

i swapped out the lower wheel and annealed a bunch of blackouts .. these will definitely show improvement i think considering the form brass is below the anneal mark to begin with

so far i'm really impressed with the machine , i got a new torch with pencil flame and mounted it permanent ..

i'm pretty happy with my purchase !

i shot some 308's this weekend and had really good results , except i loaded them too hot and had pressure signs so i stopped ... apparently the sierra book for 175 smk and the hodgdon online load data are way different .. the sierra max is less than the hodgdon start ... i backed off a couple of grains and will try again this weekend ..
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Old 09-14-2021, 12:29 PM   #18
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Good choice Mike, you'll like it.
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Old 09-14-2021, 01:47 PM   #19
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Good choice Mike, you'll like it.
$1400 and you have to feed it one case at a time ??? no thanks!

i'm sure it's nice .. but ain't nobody got time for that ...
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i loaded a batch of 308 after annealing and you can close your eyes and feel... they all seat with the same pressure!

i swapped out the lower wheel and annealed a bunch of blackouts .. these will definitely show improvement i think considering the form brass is below the anneal mark to begin with

so far i'm really impressed with the machine , i got a new torch with pencil flame and mounted it permanent ..

i'm pretty happy with my purchase !

i shot some 308's this weekend and had really good results , except i loaded them too hot and had pressure signs so i stopped ... apparently the sierra book for 175 smk and the hodgdon online load data are way different .. the sierra max is less than the hodgdon start ... i backed off a couple of grains and will try again this weekend ..
42.8 grs of IMR 4064 Fed GMM primer has been my most accurate load with the 175 SMK. Using Alpha Munitions brass loaded 4 times with no additional annealing.
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Old 09-14-2021, 06:19 PM   #21
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Dang it! I'm still using a pan of water and a bernz o matic torch. He who dies with the most toys wins so now I know what I gotta do.
Yeah...I got one too but just don't need to anneal much any more. Only thing I would do different is maybe have the ugly dropping them into water for simply peace of mind.

Especially for the shorties...I always tipped mine over into the pan after heating.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:08 PM   #22
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What torch did you decide to go with? Do you plan to anneal after every firing on r after every X firings?
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Old 09-14-2021, 10:07 PM   #23
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$1400 and you have to feed it one case at a time ??? no thanks!

i'm sure it's nice .. but ain't nobody got time for that ...

I guarantee itís as fast or faster than any flame annealer and if youíre just that lazy you can get an auto feeder attachment for it. It takes less than 3 seconds per case average on 308 size cases.

If there is one dislike I have itís sacrificing a case every time you anneal a batch. But by doing so itís annealing those cases as perfect as you can get to reach the ideal amount every time. I can tell you different cases require different amount of annealing to get it right. You canít just assume one setting for all.


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Old 09-15-2021, 07:21 AM   #24
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What torch did you decide to go with? Do you plan to anneal after every firing on r after every X firings?
i put a bernzomatic ul2317 .. got it on amazon, and it fits perfect and has a nice narrow blue pencil flame.

i started a discard pile when i shoot, so i'll probably just run a batch when i have enough , every time
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