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I built a bateau phantom 18 starting back in 2001. I was working in fits and starts, but I finished it in 2008. I ended up redoing the transom last year because I was developing a few motor well cracks. I wish I had built it stronger the first time. Lots of sweat and sanding in the project, but it is a point of pride in running a boat you build yourself.


That is awesome and supports what I am thinking when it comes to the transom! I plan to sandwich 3/4 BC marine with 6mm Okoume so if I decide to go with a little larger outboard later it is ready and if not, it should last.

BTW, my replacement Okoume is scheduled for delivery tomorrow morning!!!




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Old 12-17-2019, 02:10 PM   #52
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The original bateau plans had 3/4" x 12" mahogany clamp board. The motor well was suppose to stiffen the laminate, but I put a bigger motor on and didn't do a great job on tying the transom to the motor well. On the new transom, I laminated two 3/4" layers of okoume together, which cover the entire transom and tie directly into the stringers. I then eliminated the motor well and boxed in the whole rear compartment with two longitudinal bulkheads laminated to the inboard stringers and a horizontal bulkhead which is cleated to the top of the stringers and filited between the rear bulkhead and the transom. Knock on wood, but I think it should be plenty strong at this point.
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Listen to what Bluedevil explained and did, then go look at many build and repair threads on the BBC message board. You will get a LOT more strength tying the transom in to the stringers and rear deck (if your build has one) than you will adding more layers to the transom thickness. If you want to add thickness, add more bidirectional woven glass (not mat) to the laminate not more wood. The strength of the stitch and glue method comes from the glass and epoxy. The wood is mostly a substrate to hold the shape and provide puncture resistance. It does give some strength so don't think that I'm discounting it completely.

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Old 12-17-2019, 06:51 PM   #54
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BTW Bluedevil your one pic looks awesome. I really want to build the 22' Phantom but do not have the time like I did 15 years ago.

Got a link to a build thread or some more pictures?

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Old 12-17-2019, 08:03 PM   #55
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The original bateau plans had 3/4" x 12" mahogany clamp board. The motor well was suppose to stiffen the laminate, but I put a bigger motor on and didn't do a great job on tying the transom to the motor well. On the new transom, I laminated two 3/4" layers of okoume together, which cover the entire transom and tie directly into the stringers. I then eliminated the motor well and boxed in the whole rear compartment with two longitudinal bulkheads laminated to the inboard stringers and a horizontal bulkhead which is cleated to the top of the stringers and filited between the rear bulkhead and the transom. Knock on wood, but I think it should be plenty strong at this point.


My plan calls for triple 6mm for the transom and it is tied into the stringers. No rear deck but I have a couple other ideas that will assist on strengthening. Thank y’all for the firsthand input and advice!



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Old 12-18-2019, 02:40 PM   #56
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The replacement Okoume arrived safe and sound today! Now I just need time off.





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Old 12-18-2019, 03:40 PM   #57
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Awesome they resolved the damage in transit issue!
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Old 12-18-2019, 04:21 PM   #58
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BTW Bluedevil your one pic looks awesome. I really want to build the 22' Phantom but do not have the time like I did 15 years ago.

Got a link to a build thread or some more pictures?

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I wish I did a build thread, but I didn't think to do it as I went. I have the boat in NE Houston if you ever want to take a look when your in the area.
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Old 12-18-2019, 05:19 PM   #59
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I wish I did a build thread, but I didn't think to do it as I went. I have the boat in NE Houston if you ever want to take a look when your in the area.


Thank you sir! I will have GoPro’s setup taking time lapse pics and occasionally we will shoot video. The thing I believe I will enjoy most (other than the boat) is reflecting back on the journal I am keeping years from now. I am documenting every step, mistakes, and obstacles along the way.



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Old 12-18-2019, 05:22 PM   #60
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Awesome they resolved the damage in transit issue!


Yessir, they did me right and every day touched base with me. Today, I received no less than a half dozen emails and phone calls from the distributor. I am very impressed with BBC!



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Old 12-20-2019, 09:48 AM   #61
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I will say this, on the Salt Boatworks site and Bateau (Boat Builders Central) site they say a skiff this size can be built for $1,200-$1,500. That very well could be true if you do not want things like paint or a motor. I will not post what we already have in it prior to starting but I will say I pasted those amounts some time back.



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Hey I started building a Flats Skiff in September!
You are right about the cost. My boat is a 14' and it appears that when completed it'll cost a little over twice those numbers.
I look forward to seeing your progress.
I plan to post mine when I'm finished, probably this coming spring.

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Old 12-20-2019, 09:56 AM   #62
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Hey I started building a Flats Skiff in September!
You are right about the cost. My boat is a 14' and it appears that when completed it'll cost a little over twice those numbers.
I look forward to seeing your progress.
I plan to post mine when I'm finished, probably this coming spring.

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Which one are you building? Would like to hear more about it!



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Old 12-20-2019, 10:06 AM   #63
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Good luck on the build Mr BrazosHunter.

You might consider adding a bit more slope to that tile shower shelf.
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Old 12-20-2019, 11:33 AM   #64
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Which one are you building? Would like to hear more about it!



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I didn't buy the plans, instead I elected to make it up as I go but it will be very similar to the FS14.
Here's where I'm at with the build. Waiting for time and weather to finish painting the hull then flip it to continue with the inside.

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Old 12-20-2019, 12:18 PM   #65
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I didn't buy the plans, instead I elected to make it up as I go but it will be very similar to the FS14.
Here's where I'm at with the build. Waiting for time and weather to finish painting the hull then flip it to continue with the inside.

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That will be pretty slick!



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Old 12-20-2019, 12:21 PM   #66
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Good luck on the build Mr BrazosHunter.

You might consider adding a bit more slope to that tile shower shelf.


There is a couple degree slope and water does drain out. It’s getting closer to completion!




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Old 01-19-2020, 09:29 AM   #67
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Well, it took MUCH longer than anticipated but the bathroom makeover is complete! Tuesday I will finally start on the boat build!


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Great job on the bath Michael!
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Great job on the bath Michael!


Thank you! It’s almost hard to remember what I started with after removing everything that needed replaced/addressed.





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Well, I FINALLY started!!!







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Old 01-21-2020, 04:57 PM   #71
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One sheet down, five to go!




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Old 01-22-2020, 03:51 PM   #72
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I’m tuned into this. I bought a square stern canoe and 5hp propane powered engine, and it’s just not wide enough to fish comfortably. Will probably sell the 5hp and keep to canoe to knock around in no-motor zones.
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I knocked out a couple more pieces day before yesterday and have the last sheet before scarphing laid out yesterday. If all goes as planned I should scarph all the joints a week from today then begin stitching it together shortly thereafter.



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Old 01-27-2020, 08:25 AM   #74
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I’m back at it this morning. Cutting out more patterns and hopefully will be ready to scarph the joints this afternoon.

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Old 01-28-2020, 03:42 PM   #75
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All scarph joints have been cut and assembly of the pieces (scarphing) has began!



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Everything has been cut

Scarph cuts have been made


Started putting sharp joints together clamping mirror images together with plastic wrap between.
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Old 01-29-2020, 03:34 PM   #78
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Another scarph joint epoxied and drying. Slow and steady forward progress...

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I messed up and left the epoxy in the shop overnight and had to bring it in the house to warm up. After that, I will get back after it. Just three pieces left to scarph together then I can start assembly!!!


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I went ahead and epoxied the last scarph joint. Soon I can start assembly!!!




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Old 01-30-2020, 06:05 PM   #81
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Been quietly check-n in.
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Looking good.
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Old 01-30-2020, 09:49 PM   #83
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Awesome Job Sir.

Glad you finally got this project going.

Maybe we can put some fish in it when you finish.
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Awesome Job Sir.

Glad you finally got this project going.

Maybe we can put some fish in it when you finish.


Sounds like a plan to me.


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Made a good deal of progress today on “Skipjack”. I originally planned to just get the shop ready for assembly but when that was done by lunch, well I just could not wait.


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I'm diggin' this thread, sir. Keep the pics coming. Great work!
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If all goes as planned I will have a brother over Monday evening and we will put the transom in and the inner skeleton to really give it shape and support. Temperature wise, this weekend would have been the perfect time to get all that knocked out but we already had other plans.



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I didn’t work on the boat but 15 minutes this evening. When I got in from work I found the pup had a field day with our kitchen rug so I just popped out for a few to blow off some steam. I quickly decided it wasn’t a good idea to work on it upset so I stopped.





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A little more progress today!

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Coming along nicely.
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On a build like this is there any mechanical fasteners holding it together, or is just the fiberglass that is placed over everything? I have seen this type of build with canoes and kayaks, but not a regular fishing skiff that would be subjected to pounding and the torque of an outboard on the transom.

Looks like a fun project!
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On a build like this is there any mechanical fasteners holding it together, or is just the fiberglass that is placed over everything? I have seen this type of build with canoes and kayaks, but not a regular fishing skiff that would be subjected to pounding and the torque of an outboard on the transom.

Looks like a fun project!


Just fiberglass and resin over the structural (5 ply) 6mm marine plywood. The glass layup schedule is very specific.


Got it all ready to “glue” the seams between zip-ties! Tomorrow we will take care of that and fabricate a tent to keep the heat in for proper curing.



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After lunch I will warm up the shop and spread thickened epoxy between the zip ties along all the seams in the bilge. Afterwards I will drape the boat with a tarp and a halogen light to keep it warm during the cure time. To thicken the epoxy I will add sawdust.

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All seams have been epoxied! I then covered it with shipping cardboard, set an electric heater inside, and stuck a meat thermometer into a zip tie hole so I can monitor the temperature.



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So you epoxy from inside out?


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Yes. You start by “tacking” with thickened epoxy between the zip ties on the inside. After it cures, cut the zip ties and remove the stringers. Now, on the inside again, tape (strips of fiberglass) the seams and epoxy the entire bilge. I am using a slow cure epoxy so after I tape the seams I will reinstall the stringers. The tape I just put in will still be wet so I can get back in there and tape the stringers in place. I’ll let that cure a couple days then flip the boat over and start on the outside hull.


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A few words of caution.

Do not try to go too fast. You need to ensure the hull planing surface is in the correct orientation, what I mean is perfectly flat where it should be and correct/symmetrical angles where its not flat. This will be the only time to get it right. Since it does not look like you are building on a jig just take your time. Measure 10 times before mixing epoxy.
No hard angles either. Use smooth curves wherever possible.

Keep chipping away. Do a little everyday and you'll build a boat.

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Awesome. Good luck
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A few words of caution.

Do not try to go too fast. You need to ensure the hull planing surface is in the correct orientation, what I mean is perfectly flat where it should be and correct/symmetrical angles where its not flat. This will be the only time to get it right. Since it does not look like you are building on a jig just take your time. Measure 10 times before mixing epoxy.
No hard angles either. Use smooth curves wherever possible.

Keep chipping away. Do a little everyday and you'll build a boat.

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Thank you but I did that earlier prior to applying thickened epoxy to the hull seams. There is no way to adjust anything now plus it is already “dress right dress”.

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