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Old 01-16-2020, 12:30 PM   #1
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Old 01-16-2020, 12:42 PM   #2
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Wonder if they'll keep the name

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Old 01-16-2020, 12:45 PM   #3
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Interesting....
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Old 01-16-2020, 12:58 PM   #4
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:facepalm

We need regional representation of Texas deer hunters.

Maybe print magazine isnt working, but Texas hunters need a "Coffee Shop Book"

TBH has filled a lot of that role. Social media is doing a lot of it too. I miss print, but when was the last time any of us took a magazine to a deer blind?
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We need regional representation of Texas deer hunters.

Maybe print magazine isnt working, but Texas hunters need a "Coffee Shop Book"

TBH has filled a lot of that role. Social media is doing a lot of it too. I miss print, but when was the last time any of us took a magazine to a deer blind?
I keep magazines in the blinds that don't get cell service...even TTHA.
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Old 01-16-2020, 01:16 PM   #6
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Was wondering what was up. They moved out of the San Antonio office about 2 months ago. Received the email today from SCI.
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Old 01-16-2020, 01:37 PM   #7
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Ohhh goody, more ads...……..
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Old 01-16-2020, 01:43 PM   #8
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Just further dilution of normal Texas deer hunter's and their influence on our local hunting sport and opportunities... Went from Texas Trophy hunters to Trophy Hunters International... No real big deal anyway because to participate in either organization and "hunt" like they promote takes a LOT of money that precludes many from taking part...
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Old 01-16-2020, 01:47 PM   #9
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Hmmmmmmm....


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Old 01-16-2020, 01:49 PM   #10
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TTHA Magazine is a joke. Just a big book of advertisements or nonstop product plugging. Makes great kindling for fires.
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Old 01-16-2020, 02:11 PM   #11
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TTHA was a bankruptcy waiting to happen along with the guys who owned it. Why would SCI buy something that potentially had more debt than assets?
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Old 01-16-2020, 02:13 PM   #12
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TTHA Magazine is a joke. Just a big book of advertisements or nonstop product plugging. Makes great kindling for fires.
That's all magazines, there's a reason why print is becoming obsolete.
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Old 01-16-2020, 02:17 PM   #13
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Which has more value: the print mag, their website and social media, or the annual Extravaganzas in FTW, SA, and Houston?
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Old 01-16-2020, 02:20 PM   #14
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TTHA was a bankruptcy waiting to happen along with the guys who owned it. Why would SCI buy something that potentially had more debt than assets?
?
Perhaps SCI bought TTHA for the name and will strictly do 4-5 Hunters Extravaganza around the State ?? I agree with others about print media which is fading fast.
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Old 01-16-2020, 02:28 PM   #15
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Was wondering what was up. They moved out of the San Antonio office about 2 months ago. Received the email today from SCI.



They moved upstairs...
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Old 01-16-2020, 02:34 PM   #16
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The literal name is great and no doubt registered, so that would have value. I've only been to one of the extravaganzas and that was years and years ago. It was very well attended, but, I have no idea nowadays. It certainly would have value of it's still popular. The organization itself, IMOP, went to h#ll in a handbasket many years ago.

Still a cool logo.....
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Old 01-16-2020, 02:41 PM   #17
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What most of those posting above should have said.
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:05 PM   #18
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TTHA Magazine is a joke. Just a big book of advertisements or nonstop product plugging. Makes great kindling for fires.
And has been for years. I used to be a member until I read a story by another member that I knew to be misleading, if not an outright lie. I was there, and it did not go down the way it was written. I figured at that point that I had no further use for it. If I want to read fiction, there are many better choices.
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:07 PM   #19
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I'm hoping that now the shows will be more about hunting again instead of buying cooking utensils and gutters.
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:25 PM   #20
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Does this mean TBH will take over as "THE" Best Texas Hunting group and forum?

Wait... It already is

Most of you guys are all Aces
There are a few Deuces here too
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:42 PM   #21
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As a vendor for several years I have a vested interest in seeing the Extravaganza's continue and hopefully grow and expand, I just hope it doesn't become a rich man's event like we have seen happen in other organizations.
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:45 PM   #22
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I keep magazines in the blinds that don't get cell service...even TTHA.
And, like most men say I bet you only read the articles
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Old 01-16-2020, 04:13 PM   #23
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What most of those posting above should have said.
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Old 01-16-2020, 05:56 PM   #24
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It beats Buckmasters
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Old 01-16-2020, 06:02 PM   #25
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ttha magazine is a joke. Just a big book of advertisements or nonstop product plugging. Makes great kindling for fires.
bingo.
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Old 01-16-2020, 08:07 PM   #26
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I'd rather look through a 1970 sears catalog than look at a TTHA mag.
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Old 01-16-2020, 08:39 PM   #27
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As a vendor for several years I have a vested interest in seeing the Extravaganza's continue and hopefully grow and expand, I just hope it doesn't become a rich man's event like we have seen happen in other organizations.
Too late lol

Pretty much why I quit going...
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Old 01-16-2020, 08:44 PM   #28
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As a vendor for several years I have a vested interest in seeing the Extravaganza's continue and hopefully grow and expand, I just hope it doesn't become a rich man's event like we have seen happen in other organizations.
Donít get your hopes up too high with SCI.
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Old 01-16-2020, 08:53 PM   #29
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We need regional representation of Texas deer hunters.

Maybe print magazine isnt working, but Texas hunters need a "Coffee Shop Book"

TBH has filled a lot of that role. Social media is doing a lot of it too. I miss print, but when was the last time any of us took a magazine to a deer blind?
I had magazines in my pack every time I was in a blind this year, but there was too much deer activity to read them.

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TTHA was a bankruptcy waiting to happen along with the guys who owned it. Why would SCI buy something that potentially had more debt than assets?
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They may have just bought the assets and intangible rights rather than the "company".
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Old 01-16-2020, 08:55 PM   #30
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As a vendor for several years I have a vested interest in seeing the Extravaganza's continue and hopefully grow and expand, I just hope it doesn't become a rich man's event like we have seen happen in other organizations.
I worked and wrote , filmed tv shows for TTHA back in the 1990ís
Jerry one of the owners was also a huge antique show, stamp show, comic book, ect promotion guy. Besides just a hunting show promo, I understand were you are coming from ď I donít know what you sell ? ď but hunters definitely need a place to sort through the incredible amount of junk products and bad idea stuff
As you know those shows run a incredible amount of tire kickers in the doors
SCI is a good show to shop hunts ! Donít know how good they are about products, it will be interesting
The magazine really went downhill when Lee Taylor was in charge of advertising sales and ruined it ( their was always lot of conflict between Jerry and Lee)
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Old 01-16-2020, 10:32 PM   #31
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I worked and wrote , filmed tv shows for TTHA back in the 1990’s
Jerry one of the owners was also a huge antique show, stamp show, comic book, ect promotion guy. Besides just a hunting show promo, I understand were you are coming from “ I don’t know what you sell ? “ but hunters definitely need a place to sort through the incredible amount of junk products and bad idea stuff
As you know those shows run a incredible amount of tire kickers in the doors
SCI is a good show to shop hunts ! Don’t know how good they are about products, it will be interesting
The magazine really went downhill when Lee Taylor was in charge of advertising sales and ruined it ( their was always lot of conflict between Jerry and Lee)
Not for nothing, but the majority of the people going through those shows kicking tires aren’t kicking them because they don’t want to pull the trigger on a product, but because the vast majority of what is in those shows is absolute garbage, or out of place. It’s nothing but Knick knacks, needless inventions, ATV mods, and 100 acre canned hunt outfitters. I still go every year because the Extravaganza is a symbolic passing of summer to fall and deer season and football, not because there is anything there I want or need. I don’t spend a penny on the booths of vendors, and don’t plan to. We take the kids, let them see the snake pit, bounce around on the games and stuff they have in the back, and walk the aisles.
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Not for nothing, but the majority of the people going through those shows kicking tires arenít kicking them because they donít want to pull the trigger on a product, but because the vast majority of what is in those shows is absolute garbage, or out of place. Itís nothing but Knick knacks, needless inventions, ATV mods, and 100 acre canned hunt outfitters. I still go every year because the Extravaganza is a symbolic passing of summer to fall and deer season and football, not because there is anything there I want or need. I donít spend a penny on the booths of vendors, and donít plan to. We take the kids, let them see the snake pit, bounce around on the games and stuff they have in the back, and walk the aisles.
Agree 100% on all of that. Iíll add, it seems to get worse and worse every year (Ft. Worth) and Iíve been the last 16-17 years Iíd imagine.
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Old 01-17-2020, 12:12 AM   #33
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I don't want to throw out numbers but I will say that the three TTHA shows account a large percentage of my annual sales. I literally cannot afford for them to go away.

Is there a bunch of junk at the shows? Yup, but still a lot of great vendors and exhibitors and a ton of folks come through the doors.

Not to pat myself on the back too much but I hear comments like "that's the best thing I've seen in this whole show" so my experience might be different because I have such good sales there.
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Old 01-17-2020, 02:26 AM   #34
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Not for nothing, but the majority of the people going through those shows kicking tires arenít kicking them because they donít want to pull the trigger on a product, but because the vast majority of what is in those shows is absolute garbage, or out of place. Itís nothing but Knick knacks, needless inventions, ATV mods, and 100 acre canned hunt outfitters. I still go every year because the Extravaganza is a symbolic passing of summer to fall and deer season and football, not because there is anything there I want or need. I donít spend a penny on the booths of vendors, and donít plan to. We take the kids, let them see the snake pit, bounce around on the games and stuff they have in the back, and walk the aisles.
I hear you, when I worked those shows , we had data on which days were good for vendors and bad for vendors
And vendors nicknamed those days, Friday after work lots of solid
Buyers people looking for hunts, buying solid products buyer/ money days, Saturday was Hank William jr day / tire kicker/ low rent
Because everyone was walking around with browning wife beater t shirts, a beer in one hand and a plastic bag to stuff free pamphlets and brochures, business cards, a tobacco freebies, and a pack of kids
The fish pond and 3D range was always busy on Saturday
Big crowds around the cooking ware and 1000 and 1 gadget knife demonstrations, we had lienel Garza/ muy of muy grande deer contest hawking his book and giving keynote speaker stuff and a few famous deer hunting writers speakers
Sunday was deal day where vendors where cutting deals on stuff they could/ would discount so they didnít have to pack it back home , every day was a snake pit booth
Sunday afternoon vendors got free beer in the hospitality area
Canít say I will ever go back to one , maybe on a Friday or Sunday
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Old 01-17-2020, 09:31 AM   #35
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I used to go to the show to buy stuff. Last year I struggled to spend my money and barely spent any of it. I guess that is good, but I went there to try some stuff out. I used by buy bows and other equipment there in the past, but lately not even the bow shops seem to have a booth and if they do they are there with only a couple of items. I wanted to try on and buy some camo last year, nope, no one had any, at least not the big brands. But, if I wanted gutters or something for the house, no problem. Its like its 50/50 home and garden show and a hunting show. I'm hoping SCI will get the focus back to "Hunting". Vendors like Gunny need the show and they need "hunters" to attend. Many people don't attend any longer due to everything I mentioned. Those are all lost potential customers to people like Gunny.

Everything I said pertains the the FTW show.
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:08 AM   #36
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...I'm hoping SCI will get the focus back to "Hunting"


That would be great.
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Old 01-17-2020, 05:50 PM   #37
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I just had a phone call from David and Christina. They see the comments here and believe it or not they are sensitive to the concerns raised.

1) They have been assured that they will continue to operate as before. Basically just as a subsidiary of SCI.
2) No changes to the Extravaganza are planned either.

While I had their ear we talked about the concern about non hunting vendors and they want to strike the right balance. Filling the hall is as important as attracting the right visitors. Christina says the non-hunting vendors themselves are grateful to be there because they report really good sales. Lets face it a bunch of folks bring non hunters along to the show that might actually want to buy the latest Scentsy candle. I suggested maybe giving them a more clearly defined space of their own and they are looking at that as a possibility.

They want your input too...

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"If they would like to call us/email us and offer suggestions to make the shows better send them our way we would be happy to hear from them. At the end of the day we love the outdoors and support all forms of legal Texas hunting!”

For prospective vendors:
I personally have been approached by several folks with new product ideas that see the booth cost as a barrier to entry and while I can't speak for the organization, if you PM me I would be more than willing to talk with them on your behalf and who knows maybe work something out. At least for first time HUNTING RELATED vendors. You may find like I have that the booth cost is a worthwhile expense that might really throw fuel on your business.

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Old 01-17-2020, 06:04 PM   #38
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Probably bought it for the Extravaganze name events. Wonder if they will keep that crappy hunting show and magazine?
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Old 01-22-2020, 01:32 PM   #39
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Probably bought it for the Extravaganze name events. Wonder if they will keep that crappy hunting show and magazine?
I can't speak to SCI's motivation but if you have an issue with the TTHA shoot them an email. See my above post.
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I don't usually buy anything but I enjoy the TTHA show.
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Old 01-22-2020, 04:04 PM   #41
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Most print media is dying, magazines, newspapers, even books, Along with AM/FM radio. The twitter machines we all carry in our pockets are the nails in their coffins.
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