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Old 09-17-2020, 02:53 PM   #1
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Has anyone with a suppressor ever been quizzed by law enforcement about your tax stamp or even ask if you had one on a rifle you have with you?
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Old 09-17-2020, 02:55 PM   #2
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Not even once. I have had a couple that wanted to shoot my rifle, out at the range, but even they never asked for anything like that. That said, there's always that one guy....
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Old 09-17-2020, 03:00 PM   #3
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Yup...2 hours & 3 backup cars later after arguing w/ supervisors the rookie trooper took off like a spoiled brat peeling out since they turned out to be legal & couldn't put the evil gun owner in jail.

Lesson...don't leave anything in plain view.
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Old 09-17-2020, 03:33 PM   #4
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Had a hunter brought In to ranch headquarters @ about 3am by border patrol and game warden handcuffed , he was released after he pulled his paperwork from his briefcase
Never found out the end result from the state trooper citation he received for harvesting deer at night
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Old 09-17-2020, 04:13 PM   #5
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Had a hunter brought In to ranch headquarters @ about 3am by border patrol and game warden handcuffed , he was released after he pulled his paperwork from his briefcase
Never found out the end result from the state trooper citation he received for harvesting deer at night
The suppressors papers gives the owner the right to buy and possess the suppressor for all legal uses. Shooting deer at night or of out of season, not hunting with a hunting license, trespassing, speeding, and spitting on the side walk, are not legal, so is the paper work for those actions.

We really need to change the law to where we can buy suppressors on just the 4473 form. Really should be like buying a pair of ear muffs and not even on 4473 form.

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Old 09-17-2020, 04:19 PM   #6
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I’ve been pulled over countless times with a suppressed SBR riding shotgun in plain view. I never get anything more than a “don’t reach for yours and I won’t reach for mine”.
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Old 09-17-2020, 06:42 PM   #7
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Never asked for paperwork

I do keep pics of stamps on phone just in case
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Old 09-17-2020, 06:48 PM   #8
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I’ve had mine for years. Never been asked but I don’t advertise them either
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Old 09-17-2020, 06:52 PM   #9
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Never been asked
My good friend who is a cop told me to just keep a picture of my stamp and paperwork on my phone and I should be good
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Old 09-17-2020, 07:05 PM   #10
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:11 PM   #11
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Default Suppressors and police game warden check

I would need to look at state law but the ATF only mentions that proof of registration must be shown to an ATF officer. It does not mention anyone else.


https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does...f-registration

Since 46.05(c) was repealed in 2015 which was defense to prosecution “silencers” are legal in Texas (assuming they are properly registered in the NFA records or classified as a curio or relic) the defense to prosecution is no longer needed.

I don’t see anywhere that it states you must provide proof of registration to any Texas Law Enforcement official.

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Old 09-17-2020, 09:47 PM   #12
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I keep copies in my phone just in case
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:58 PM   #13
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Never been asked
My good friend who is a cop told me to just keep a picture of my stamp and paperwork on my phone and I should be good
Nobody told me that but that’s what I’ve done since I owned the only one I have. Never been checked but it’s good insurance.......I hope.
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:45 PM   #14
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I would need to look at state law but the ATF only mentions that proof of registration must be shown to an ATF officer. It does not mention anyone else.


https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does...f-registration

Since 46.05(c) was repealed in 2015 which was defense to prosecution “silencers” are legal in Texas (assuming they are properly registered in the NFA records or classified as a curio or relic) the defense to prosecution is no longer needed.

I don’t see anywhere that it states you must provide proof of registration to any Texas Law Enforcement official.

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This is my understanding as well.


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Old 09-17-2020, 10:47 PM   #15
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Glad y’all brought this up I need to take pictures of all my stamps. Currently in STX at dove camp with 2 suppressors and got to thinking I left with zero paperwork on me. Other than my trust in my email. I use to keep the stamps close but kinda got use to hauling the cans around and don’t ever think about it anymore its just 2nd nature.
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Old 09-17-2020, 11:14 PM   #16
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I made copies of the stamp and have one in my truck and both sons trucks as they are a part of the trust that owns the suppressors but have never been asked to show it.
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Old 09-17-2020, 11:21 PM   #17
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I need to make an electronic file of mine and put it on Dropbox. When mine come out of the safe, currently my binder with all of the stamps come with them. I never think about scanning them until it's time to go. I think I'll put that on my list of things to do tomorrow.
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Old 09-18-2020, 12:55 AM   #18
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I would need to look at state law but the ATF only mentions that proof of registration must be shown to an ATF officer. It does not mention anyone else.


https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does...f-registration

Since 46.05(c) was repealed in 2015 which was defense to prosecution “silencers” are legal in Texas (assuming they are properly registered in the NFA records or classified as a curio or relic) the defense to prosecution is no longer needed.

I don’t see anywhere that it states you must provide proof of registration to any Texas Law Enforcement official.

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Dual sovereignty.

Federal and state laws are separate and have equal authority.

Federal laws such as you cited, deal with federal requirements and generally, federal agents. So yes, the US Code requires you to show it to ATF.

However......

Texas law (PC 46.05 (a)(B) and (C) and (6)) says that a SBR, silencer, machine gun, etc., are prohibited unless it complies with federal law. Unless you can prove you are legal, it is a crime.

To comply with federal law you have to show the federal agent and to comply with state law you have to show any officer.

So you are correct, you don’t violate federal law if you don’t show a local officer but you violate state law if you can’t prove the device is legal through ATF.
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Old 09-18-2020, 05:49 AM   #19
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Make small copies and carry in you wallet like a credit card. I have mine laminated. If needed just zoom in with phone to read
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Old 09-18-2020, 06:17 AM   #20
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All that being said, you might be leagal, and have everything you need to defend yourself against prosecution; but still find that one guy that hauls you down. Especially if you're that guy with a chip on his shoulder.
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Old 09-18-2020, 07:21 AM   #21
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i do keep pics of stamps on phone just in case
^^^^^this!!!^^^^^
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Old 09-18-2020, 07:36 AM   #22
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Dang. Here I was thinking the burden of proof is on the Officer to prove something was illegal... All, the while, it sounds like the burden of proof is on me to prove something is legal. Seems backwards to me...
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Old 09-18-2020, 07:45 AM   #23
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Dang. Here I was thinking the burden of proof is on the Officer to prove something was illegal... All, the while, it sounds like the burden of proof is on me to prove something is legal. Seems backwards to me...
It’s not backwards at all. If you get pulled over an officer will ask you to show your drivers license and proof of insurance.

Displaying identification that you are legally carrying is how the officer proves it.
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Old 09-18-2020, 07:46 AM   #24
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Make small copies and carry in you wallet like a credit card. I have mine laminated. If needed just zoom in with phone to read
This is what I did. Always have a copy no matter who's truck I'm in or lack of cell services.

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