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Old 11-07-2018, 12:36 PM   #1
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Default Divided America ... pic worth a thousand words ...

From CNN website ... amazing how such a small area, percentage wise, can have such an impact ....

Understand that’s where major population is but still
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Old 11-07-2018, 12:46 PM   #2
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I wonder what it would look like to overlay a crime statistics map too...
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Old 11-07-2018, 12:51 PM   #3
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I wonder what it would look like to overlay a crime statistics map too...
im willing to bet it would be near identical
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Old 11-07-2018, 12:52 PM   #4
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Representatives represent people not land.
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Old 11-07-2018, 01:04 PM   #5
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Understood ... just amazing how vastly different metro vs rural viewpoints apparently are ...
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Old 11-07-2018, 01:25 PM   #6
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Old 11-07-2018, 01:28 PM   #7
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:30 PM   #8
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Understood ... just amazing how vastly different metro vs rural viewpoints apparently are ...
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Imagine the direction of the country if they used the area of districts won instead of the population of the city slickers
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Imagine the direction of the country if they used the area of districts won instead of the population of the city slickers
You know it's funny how people on both sides of the aisle will complain about the same things in different ways. I was reading an article this morning about how ridiculous it seems that the democrats got 10 million more votes than republicans for the senate and they still lost seats. The argument is that California has 68 times the population of Wyoming but the same number of senate seats so if you think of it that way, a voter in Wyoming has 68 times the power of a voter in California (or 50 times the power of a voter in Texas). Maybe the existing system is pretty good he way it is since both sides think it's unfair.
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:00 AM   #10
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There's a new question on the 2019 Census, "Are you a US Citizen?"....

This is going to shake things up!....
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:04 AM   #11
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im willing to bet it would be near identical
Yall dont think that maybe the more populous areas have more crime?

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Old 11-10-2018, 12:46 AM   #12
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There's a new question on the 2019 Census, "Are you a US Citizen?"....

This is going to shake things up!....
there should be 2,,,

do you think you should be prompted to press 1 for English?
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Old 11-11-2018, 07:14 PM   #13
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That just emphasizes the brilliance of the founding fathers and why the electoral college (that the liberals want to abolish) was set up. They feared the voice of the rural population would be silenced by concentration of people that are located in large cities.
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Old 11-11-2018, 08:54 PM   #14
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You know it's funny how people on both sides of the aisle will complain about the same things in different ways. I was reading an article this morning about how ridiculous it seems that the democrats got 10 million more votes than republicans for the senate and they still lost seats. The argument is that California has 68 times the population of Wyoming but the same number of senate seats so if you think of it that way, a voter in Wyoming has 68 times the power of a voter in California (or 50 times the power of a voter in Texas). Maybe the existing system is pretty good he way it is since both sides think it's unfair.


That is why we have the House of Representatives. House is based on population, and the Senate every state is equal.


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Old 11-11-2018, 11:03 PM   #15
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That is why we have the House of Representatives. House is based on population, and the Senate every state is equal.


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This. The House represents the people. The Senate represents the best interests of the State. That's the way its supposed to work.
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:32 AM   #16
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The house is like a bunch of unruly kids on the playground and the senate is like the faculty keeping them all in line. At least it should be this way
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Old 11-12-2018, 04:07 PM   #17
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You know it's funny how people on both sides of the aisle will complain about the same things in different ways. I was reading an article this morning about how ridiculous it seems that the democrats got 10 million more votes than republicans for the senate and they still lost seats. The argument is that California has 68 times the population of Wyoming but the same number of senate seats so if you think of it that way, a voter in Wyoming has 68 times the power of a voter in California (or 50 times the power of a voter in Texas). Maybe the existing system is pretty good he way it is since both sides think it's unfair.
Your last sentence is quite telling!!!!

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Old 11-12-2018, 04:31 PM   #18
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You know it's funny how people on both sides of the aisle will complain about the same things in different ways. I was reading an article this morning about how ridiculous it seems that the democrats got 10 million more votes than republicans for the senate and they still lost seats. The argument is that California has 68 times the population of Wyoming but the same number of senate seats so if you think of it that way, a voter in Wyoming has 68 times the power of a voter in California (or 50 times the power of a voter in Texas). Maybe the existing system is pretty good he way it is since both sides think it's unfair.
I'm good with the country being divided politically. What the country used to be divided on was basically trickle down economics vs. giving breaks directly to the blue collar man. What we are divided on today is completely different. It goes far beyond the governmental system.
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:25 PM   #19
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That just emphasizes the brilliance of the founding fathers and why the electoral college (that the liberals want to abolish) was set up. They feared the voice of the rural population would be silenced by concentration of people that are located in large cities.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion since most of the population (95%+) at the time lived in rural areas...The electoral college was a compromise between the larger and smaller states (population wise) to keep the small states from being disenfranchised in the presidential election. It just so happens that now the rural northwest/midwest are the low population states that benefit most from the electoral college.

Considering that it is possible (though highly improbable) to win 70% of the popular vote and still lose the electoral college...I think it has issues. Even if it did keep Clinton out of office. If they removed the winner take all part of it, I think it'd be an improvement. That way the low population states still get their representation, but the bigger states are properly divvied up between candidates. And to deal with a 3rd party candidate keeping anyone from getting 270 votes, you just do ranked voting (which I think should be instituted for all elections to completely avoid runoffs).

The house/senate was a well thought out as a balancing act, the electoral college, not as much, IMHO.
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That just emphasizes the brilliance of the founding fathers and why the electoral college (that the liberals want to abolish) was set up. They feared the voice of the rural population would be silenced by concentration of people that are located in large cities.
I hope you don't get paid to interpret the constitution for a living.

This is exactly the problem.
Folks spreading fake news.

For kicks and giggles can you tell me how many "urban centers" there were in the colonies in 1775?
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there should be 2,,,

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No..
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I'm good with the country being divided politically. What the country used to be divided on was basically trickle down economics vs. giving breaks directly to the blue collar man. What we are divided on today is completely different. It goes far beyond the governmental system.
X2 on this. No question, everything seems to have moved left; the dems are now extreme left and conservatives just right of center.

I mean, the democratic party back when JFK was elected, probably aligned with what many would call a Rhino today. The dem platform today doesn't represent the ordinary, hard working, blue collar people imo.
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