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Old 11-08-2018, 08:26 AM   #1
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Default Another mass shooting this time in California

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/massive-p...rnia-nightclub

Do have comments to add but think itís best to wait for more facts to come out

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Old 11-08-2018, 08:34 AM   #2
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Terrible....prayers sent to the families.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:48 AM   #3
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Gun free zone.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:52 AM   #4
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Gun free zone.
Pretty sure all bars are. Prayers for the victims.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:53 AM   #5
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Dressed all in black with his face covered as well? Sounds like Antifa.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:54 AM   #6
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I'll say it. Country college night. So likely conservative students. Some if which survived the last Vegas shooting (another country music event). Suspect dressed in all black and executing people.

Not likely the suspects motive will get much media attention. Just like the softball field shooter or the Las Vegas shooter.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:28 AM   #7
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In California:

1. There’s a 10 day waiting period to purchase a handgun on top of an FBI background check.
2. Ammunition can only be sold by a licensed vendor and ammunition cannot be driven from outside state lines.
3. Unless one has a carry license, ammunition must stay separate from the handgun during transport.
4. All handguns sold have to be approved by the California DOJ unless the purchaser is law enforcement.
5. The maximum magazine capacity is 10 rounds. Any higher is a felony.

Some folks just dont get it....
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:38 AM   #8
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Pretty sure all bars are. Prayers for the victims.
Let me spell it out for you then. He knew he would not encounter anyone armed, just like all the rest of these cowards.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:41 AM   #9
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I'll say it. Country college night. So likely conservative students. Some if which survived the last Vegas shooting (another country music event). Suspect dressed in all black and executing people.

Not likely the suspects motive will get much media attention. Just like the softball field shooter or the Las Vegas shooter.
In the pictures of kids that were there, I saw a Reagan/Bush shirt and a Black Rifle Coffee hoodie. I think you are right.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:56 AM   #10
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I'll say it. Country college night. So likely conservative students. Some if which survived the last Vegas shooting (another country music event). Suspect dressed in all black and executing people.

Not likely the suspects motive will get much media attention. Just like the softball field shooter or the Las Vegas shooter.
Absolutely my first thought too.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:59 AM   #11
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I didn't think of the Chew angle but it holds water.

My first thought was an evil, suicidal coward looking for attention. Knowing he was going into a safe operating environment where no one would shoot back.

Terribly sad for the families of all involved.
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:31 AM   #12
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In California:

1. Thereís a 10 day waiting period to purchase a handgun on top of an FBI background check.
2. Ammunition can only be sold by a licensed vendor and ammunition cannot be driven from outside state lines.
3. Unless one has a carry license, ammunition must stay separate from the handgun during transport.
4. All handguns sold have to be approved by the California DOJ unless the purchaser is law enforcement.
5. The maximum magazine capacity is 10 rounds. Any higher is a felony.

Some folks just dont get it....


Those laws are only the tip of the iceberg.

#2- I canít order from Midway and ship to my home. All ammo at BassPro is behind locked cabinets. Restrictions on quantities in the law, plus future background check to purchase. Restrictions on retailers will csuse them to cease selling ammo.

#3- Concealed carry permits are decided by the Sheriff on a county by county basis. Here, no way. An hour away in Monterey Cty they require a psychiatric examination and they interview neighbors. Other counties itís easy. Concealable firearms canít be accessible and must be unloaded. Usually means a locked container. Surprising, legal to throw my rifle or shotgun unloaded in the back seat.

Thereís 100+ more absurd laws on the books.

Thatís a tragedy in SoCal.

My questions are:

If this shows we need Ďcommon sense gun lawsí, why werenít they passed with this yearís new gun laws?

At what point will they realize that itís the evil/ sick person and not the firearm?

What guns? They fell out of a boat in SF Bay before the law required the loss be reported to the police.

Iím outta here next year.



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Old 11-08-2018, 10:35 AM   #13
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Shooter was 28 white male heavily tatted. No ID released yet. It was country western night with line dancing. Pickups and jeans people. There were 5.2 million votes for Trump in California.




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Old 11-08-2018, 10:40 AM   #14
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What guns? They fell out of a boat in SF Bay before the law required the loss be reported to the police.
I heard about that - sorry for your lose.
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:45 AM   #15
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Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean identified the alleged shooter as Ian David Long, 28, who lived in the area, and he said Long was armed with a single Glock handgun that had an “extendedmagazine” that would allow it to hold more than the standard number of 10 bullets.

Long, a U.S. Marine Corps veteran, is believed to have killed himself, Dean said, adding that a motive for the crime was not known.

Long had been visited by the Ventura County Sheriff’s Office’s mental health team, CBS2 reported. Neighbors told ABC7 Long suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder.
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:54 AM   #16
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I'll say it. Country college night. So likely conservative students. Some if which survived the last Vegas shooting (another country music event). Suspect dressed in all black and executing people.

Not likely the suspects motive will get much media attention. Just like the softball field shooter or the Las Vegas shooter.
I agree
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:02 AM   #17
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I'll say it. Country college night. So likely conservative students. Some if which survived the last Vegas shooting (another country music event). Suspect dressed in all black and executing people.

Not likely the suspects motive will get much media attention. Just like the softball field shooter or the Las Vegas shooter.
Pretty conservative schools in that area, could be, or it could be someone with opposing views that found a target rich environment
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:07 AM   #18
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Here we go. More bad stigma for vets. This dip**** would of done this regardless of whether he served or not. Que the ďPTSDĒ money makers.


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Old 11-08-2018, 11:10 AM   #19
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I think it was a vet with mental issues.

Under CA law, if he was seeing any medical professional (including a psychiatrist) who suspected he would harm himself or others, they MUST report it to the police, who will confiscate the personís firearms. The new gun control laws extend that to neighbors and coworkers. Then it goes to a court hearing and a Judge decides what happens next.

The laws are already on the books, passing more will do nothing.


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Old 11-08-2018, 11:18 AM   #20
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I think it was a vet with mental issues.

Under CA law, if he was seeing any medical professional (including a psychiatrist) who suspected he would harm himself or others, they MUST report it to the police, who will confiscate the personís firearms. The new gun control laws extend that to neighbors and coworkers. Then it goes to a court hearing and a Judge decides what happens next.

The laws are already on the books, passing more will do nothing.


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He was known to police. They have dealt with him often. Known to have mental health issues. Mental illness must be dealt with.

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Old 11-08-2018, 11:19 AM   #21
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I thought that outlawing mags holding more than 10 bullets was going to solve all of this?
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:22 AM   #22
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prayers out to the victims and families
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:27 AM   #23
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The laws only cover legally purchased firearms and ammunition. I'm sure there is an underground to buy whatever you want for the right price or steal it.
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:37 AM   #24
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Soft targets are made when soft people make stupid laws.


Prayers for the families.
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:38 AM   #25
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The laws only cover legally purchased firearms and ammunition. I'm sure there is an underground to buy whatever you want for the right price or steal it.
The laws...only apply to those who follow them. You know...the victims.
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:54 PM   #26
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Fair or not, good idea or bad if he had mental health issues, CA has laws on the books that he could have been disarmed.

Why talk about new laws needed when the ones already on the books are not enforced? What will change other than law abiding citizens have rights taken away?



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Old 11-08-2018, 08:49 PM   #27
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I thought that outlawing mags holding more than 10 bullets was going to solve all of this?
They just have to carry more of them.

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Old 11-08-2018, 09:04 PM   #28
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He was known to police. They have dealt with him often. Known to have mental health issues. Mental illness must be dealt with.

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This will never happen because of the ACLU and their types. In the 90s they pushed to have it where if someone wasnít an imminent threat to themselves or others they could not be held. Lots of folks were released from state facilities and bed space was cut dramatically.

I worked as a mental health peace officer for three years. If you had insurance I could get you help. Once your insurance was used up, usually about a week, you were ďcuredĒ and cut loose. If you had no insurance and depended on a publicly funded bed, good luck.

Texas is a relatively low tax state. Taxes pay for things like indigent mental health care. Thereís not enough money to pay for it and people donít want their taxes to go up to pay for it.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:11 PM   #29
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Sad night. I went to middle and high school in thousand oaks and still have friends there. So far none of my friends lost a child but for some it was only by luck. A friends daughter was found to be there but was tired from work and didn't go. Prayers up for all the families affected.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:37 PM   #30
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Is this the shooter ? From what I have seen he converted to Islam .
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:57 PM   #31
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Is this the shooter ? From what I have seen he converted to Islam .
LoL where did you get that pic?
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:19 PM   #32
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Hmmmm
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:26 PM   #33
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I've been wondering why the main stream media and gun grabbers haven't been all over this like white on rice.
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:35 PM   #34
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LoL where did you get that pic?


Buddy of mine sent it to me .
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Old 11-09-2018, 12:06 AM   #35
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This whole thing smells of Soros and Antifa
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