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Old 05-14-2021, 01:23 PM   #1
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Who is the best to use to assist in creating this for submission.
Also which is best or easiest, Trust or individual ?
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Old 05-14-2021, 01:24 PM   #2
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Not.m8ch difference anymore between trust and individual. What assistance do you need? Have you done your engraving already?

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Old 05-14-2021, 01:24 PM   #3
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I think Trust is. The easiest way is to find a dealer that will do it all for you. Won’t be least expensive but is easy.
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Old 05-14-2021, 01:31 PM   #4
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Form oneís are pretty simple to do yourself. There are a bunch of how to videos and articles online walking you through the process.

Filing individually is simpler; however, Iíd recommend spending the extra money to do it through a trust. There are quite a few benefits to them, especially if you plan on getting several NFA items.

For a trust, Iíd recommend getting in touch with Jim Willi with Texas Gun Trust. Heís well versed with gun trusts and can tailor it to your exact situation and needs. Heís also willing to answer any questions you might have along the way. Well worth the $300 he charges in my opinion.


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Not.m8ch difference anymore between trust and individual. What assistance do you need? Have you done your engraving already?

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No engraving yet. I already have a complete AR15 carbine with 16" barrel that I've had for 20 years and am going to put a new upper on it that has an 8" barrel so I need to get it registered before I can change out the upper. I already have the upper assembly.
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Or you could just not register it.....
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I think Trust is. The easiest way is to find a dealer that will do it all for you. Wonít be least expensive but is easy.
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Or you could just not register it.....

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Old 05-14-2021, 03:16 PM   #10
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Or you could just not register it.....
Wouldn't that be agin the law to assemble and carry it anywhere?
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Wouldn't that be agin the law to assemble and carry it anywhere?
Speeding is illegal and people do it daily.

Just put a SBA3 or SBA4 (or w/e else you want ) on it and don't give them the $200 dollar infringement fee.

Oh, and F__K the ATF.

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Old 05-14-2021, 04:31 PM   #12
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Though I do agree with the last sentence of Rustler's post. I believe you AR is registered as a rifle on the form 4473. So this means you can't just turn it into a pistol.
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Though I do agree with the last sentence of Rustler's post. I believe you AR is registered as a rifle on the form 4473. So this means you can't just turn it into a pistol.
If he just bought it as a lower and not a full rifle it shouldn't on the 4473 as a rifle

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The parent gun is a Saber Defense AR-15 M4 in 5.56 carbine length that I bought years ago. All I wanted to do was change the upper to a different caliber (300 BO) and go shoot some paper and pigs. The upper I bought has an 8" barrel. Therefore if I swap uppers the thing becomes a short barrel rifle and would have to be registered. Since I already own the lower and it was bought thru a gun store I assume it is register to me thru the 4473 I filled out when I bought it. I still have questions on how this is accomplished. Do I engrave the lower with a new batch of numbers or modify the existing serial number once I go thru the Form 1 BS.
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While I'm at it I might as well build me a form 1 can since I'm having to go thru all the gyrations of doing a trust I might as well get the full monte. I should have done a trust long ago. I have too many guns not to have them protected somehow when I croak.
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You do not alter the serial number.

File your F1 with the make, model, and SN. Overall length, barrel length, and caliber. Get it approved. Then have your trust name, city, and state engraved per regulations on it. That will be your manufacturer markings as you are the manufacturer at that point.
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Honest question, with the “go around” of a stabilizing brace on an AR pistol, what’s the advantage seen to toss on a regular stock and pay a $200 penalty tax??
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Honest question, with the ďgo aroundĒ of a stabilizing brace on an AR pistol, whatís the advantage seen to toss on a regular stock and pay a $200 penalty tax??
You can run whatever stock you please. Itís comfortable. Adjustable. May not be worth it to some. Is to me.
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You do not alter the serial number.

File your F1 with the make, model, and SN. Overall length, barrel length, and caliber. Get it approved. Then have your trust name, city, and state engraved per regulations on it. That will be your manufacturer markings as you are the manufacturer at that point.
Manufacturer license plate! Super sweet!

Too many questions. Registered is registered is registered is will be confiscated.
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Manufacturer license plate! Super sweet!

Too many questions. Registered is registered is registered is will be confiscated.
Then donít do it. The OP didnít ask for opinions on if anyone thought it was a good idea or not.
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And because pistol braces will never look as good as the real deal


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Honest question, with the ďgo aroundĒ of a stabilizing brace on an AR pistol, whatís the advantage seen to toss on a regular stock and pay a $200 penalty tax??
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Old 05-15-2021, 05:26 AM   #23
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The on line form 1 if done correctly usually takes about 30-35 days. Only thing you have to send in is 2 finger print cards. You can roll you own prints and not hard to do.
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Was wondering if anyone would notice that lol. Canít see it on my phone.
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Honest question, with the ďgo aroundĒ of a stabilizing brace on an AR pistol, whatís the advantage seen to toss on a regular stock and pay a $200 penalty tax??
If you go the SBR route you don't have to worry about the ATF making an arbitrary decision about the legality of pistol braces. They can easily go the way of the bump stock.

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If you go the SBR route you don't have to worry about the ATF making an arbitrary decision about the legality of pistol braces. They can easily go the way of the bump stock.

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Then get struck down just like the unconstitutional bump stock ban.
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Then get struck down just like the unconstitutional bump stock ban.


After taking years to get through the courts.


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After taking years to get through the courts.


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The parent gun is a Saber Defense AR-15 M4 in 5.56 carbine length that I bought years ago. All I wanted to do was change the upper to a different caliber (300 BO) and go shoot some paper and pigs. The upper I bought has an 8" barrel. Therefore if I swap uppers the thing becomes a short barrel rifle and would have to be registered. Since I already own the lower and it was bought thru a gun store I assume it is register to me thru the 4473 I filled out when I bought it. I still have questions on how this is accomplished. Do I engrave the lower with a new batch of numbers or modify the existing serial number once I go thru the Form 1 BS.
I've gone back and forth on registering and, for me, decided not to. I believe FFL's only keep the 4473's 5-10 years so that's not an issue. It also isn't a gun registry. I wanted an AR pistol and decided to just take the butt stock off and go with a pistol brace that fits a carbine buffer tube. If/when they outlaw pistol braces, I have some 3/4" foam tube that works great. You have to do what you feel comfortable doing. Good luck to ya.

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If you go the SBR route you don't have to worry about the ATF making an arbitrary decision about the legality of pistol braces. They can easily go the way of the bump stock.

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Ok, but you also volunteered your information upon registry and gave the government a $200 donation in effort to thwart a ďwhat ifĒ they ban pistol braces...
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The on line form 1 if done correctly usually takes about 30-35 days. Only thing you have to send in is 2 finger print cards. You can roll you own prints and not hard to do.
Whenís the last time you did a form 1 ? ATF is telling me 90 days.
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If you go the SBR route you don't have to worry about the ATF making an arbitrary decision about the legality of pistol braces. They can easily go the way of the bump stock.

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Wait... so fully registering a rifle and ensuring Big Brother knows who is in possession of said rifle at all times is your workaround for unconstitutional tyranical government overreach? NICE. That's a fool proof scheme.

Counterpoint, if you don't give a **** what the AFT rules it doesn't matter regardless.

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Wait... so fully registering a rifle and ensuring Big Brother knows who is in possession of said rifle at all times is your workaround for unconstitutional tyranical government overreach? NICE. That's a fool proof scheme.

Counterpoint, if you don't give a **** what the AFT rules it doesn't matter regardless.

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Well I guess if you donít give a **** about a potential federal firearms felony knock yourself out.

Donít get me wrong the NFA is definitely an infringement but it is current law.


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I've gone back and forth on registering and, for me, decided not to. I believe FFL's only keep the 4473's 5-10 years so that's not an issue. It also isn't a gun registry. I wanted an AR pistol and decided to just take the butt stock off and go with a pistol brace that fits a carbine buffer tube. If/when they outlaw pistol braces, I have some 3/4" foam tube that works great. You have to do what you feel comfortable doing. Good luck to ya.

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20 years. If the FFL goes out of business then the records go to the ATF.
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Well I guess if you donít give a **** about a potential federal firearms felony knock yourself out.

Donít get me wrong the NFA is definitely an infringement but it is current law.


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"Potential firearms felony"... lmao sure. With the current atf operation any type of firearm is a "potential firearms felony".

I've complied to the point I'm willing to comply to. They said pistol braces are GTG on multiple occasions. If they change their minds on them now it's too late for me to care.

But don't worry bud, they'll be by your house too, they already have your address....

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I've complied to the point I'm willing to comply to. They said pistol braces are GTG on multiple occasions. If they change their minds on them now it's too late for me to care.
Might as well drill that third hole and buy m16 fcg's for every AR you own.



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So after due consideration and hindsight, I have decided the best and simplest course of action for me is to try to do an exchange for a 16" upper. AR15Parts is just across town and would be an easy drive over for me if they will do me the honors of an even swap since I haven't even taken it out of the box. I hate to give up the Faxon 1-7 twist barrel in the 8" upper and have no clue what barrels they use in their 16" version.
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Might as well turn in your SBRs they ABSOLUTELY know you have or cut them in half now since the AFT "MIGHT" do something in the future.

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Might as well turn in your SBRs they ABSOLUTELY know you have or cut them in half now since the AFT "MIGHT" do something in the future.

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So after due consideration and hindsight, I have decided the best and simplest course of action for me is to try to do an exchange for a 16" upper. AR15Parts is just across town and would be an easy drive over for me if they will do me the honors of an even swap since I haven't even taken it out of the box. I hate to give up the Faxon 1-7 twist barrel in the 8" upper and have no clue what barrels they use in their 16" version.

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"Potential firearms felony"... lmao sure. With the current atf operation any type of firearm is a "potential firearms felony".

I've complied to the point I'm willing to comply to. They said pistol braces are GTG on multiple occasions. If they change their minds on them now it's too late for me to care.

But don't worry bud, they'll be by your house too, they already have your address....

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The difference is Iím not violating any federal firearm laws and donít intend to.

Iím assuming you arenít currently either but you are bragging about doing it on the internet which is dumb.


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Was wondering if anyone would notice that lol. Canít see it on my phone.

The flex on that scalperÖ some people will not understand.


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Haha. Itís registered. Iíd buy an FCD scalper BCG though
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No opposition but there is one small problem. Both AR's I own were first manufactured as rifles. Both of the manufacturers, Saber Defence and Savage have never produced an AR pistol. It would be a felony to convert either one to a pistol. Now if it were the other way around and they were first made as pistol AR's then I could upgrade with a stock and a 16" barrel to make them rifles and that would be OK. ATF has some screwed up rules for sure.
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So I drove over to AR15Part.com place of bidnez and exchanged it for a 16" barreled upper. No return charges, just an even swap. This one has a Shaw barrel. I've heard good things about Shaw barrels. In any case they have a nice place of business and very helpful and friendly folks. AR15Parts is under new ownership and these folks appear to have their act together especially for inventory and customer service.
I took all my .223 empty brass and made them into 300 AAC and got them load half and half with 175gr VLD and 125 gr Sierra game king. Converting .223 into 300 BO is a piece of cake. Easy to resize and cut to length. I have about 50 rounds to play with now. If the rain ever stops I will get to shoot these as break in rounds and get a reticle zeroed on my Wraith.
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