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Old Yesterday, 01:35 PM   #1
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Looking at building a new or buying a used bay boat for upcoming fishing season.

Option one would be to build a new Haynie/Shoalwater/ElPescador but the current build time is around 6-7 months. Pro would be having a new boat built the way I want but wont be ready until right before hunting season is about to start.

Option two would be to find/buy a slightly used boat. Been looking and I've found some slightly used Simmons and OG SCBs for around the same price as building a new lower end boat. Pro would be having a boat ready to go now and it being a Simmons but downfall is risk of buying a used boat and still pretty pricey but most likely worth the money based on quality.

Anyone gone through similar dilemma recently? Which route did you take or would you recommend?
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My .02. Let someone else take the "new" hit and buy at a discount. Boats and RVs are generally very seldom used. If you can find a used one that's been kept in storage you can almost buy a brand new 10 yr old sled. Some of us use our boats weekly, but a big majority buy new, use it for a summer, then the cool wears off and it gets put in the water 2-3 times a year after that. If it were me, I'd buy a well kept used boat.



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my .02. Let someone else take the "new" hit and buy at a discount. Boats and rvs are generally very seldom used. If you can find a used one that's been kept in storage you can almost buy a brand new 10 yr old sled. Some of us use our boats weekly, but a big majority buy new, use it for a summer, then the cool wears off and it gets put in the water 2-3 times a year after that. If it were me, i'd buy a well kept used boat.



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My .02. Let someone else take the "new" hit and buy at a discount. Boats and RVs are generally very seldom used. If you can find a used one that's been kept in storage you can almost buy a brand new 10 yr old sled. Some of us use our boats weekly, but a big majority buy new, use it for a summer, then the cool wears off and it gets put in the water 2-3 times a year after that. If it were me, I'd buy a well kept used boat.



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This.

I've owned at least one boat at a time since I was 14 and for many years went thru them pretty quick. The only 2 I've ever lost money on were the 2 I bought new. Not saying I won't ever buy a new one again but I am saying it's not usually the best move financially.

FWIW I wouldn't call any of the boats you listed to build a "new lower end boat". None of them are finished as sparkly as an scb or es but as far as holding up and hull integrity, I'd put them at least equal to a sparkly one any day.
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Old Yesterday, 02:32 PM   #7
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I am different that the others that have posted as I buy new because I am not sure how others have maintained their boat.

For those used Simmons, most of them are from owners that buy one then get on the list for a new one. Most are maintained very well.

Of the ones you listed if looking for a cat I would go Shoalwater, Haynie, El P
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Id think the used SCB/ESCB market is kinda thin.

And only there due to the reasons JP said
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The used bay boat market will be flooded this year as folks sell out due to last week's fish kill.

There will be a lot of people bass fishing.
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The used bay boat market will be flooded this year as folks sell out due to last week's fish kill.

There will be a lot of people bass fishing.
I sure wouldn't bet on it.
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I've bought new and bought used. I have made money on a few, broke even on a few and lost money on a few. I'd agree with rvd, if you buy a good quality used boat you stand to lose less money vs buying new. And in some situations will break even or even make a little. You just have to be patient and be smart about what you buy.
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This.

I've owned at least one boat at a time since I was 14 and for many years went thru them pretty quick. The only 2 I've ever lost money on were the 2 I bought new. Not saying I won't ever buy a new one again but I am saying it's not usually the best move financially.

FWIW I wouldn't call any of the boats you listed to build a "new lower end boat". None of them are finished as sparkly as an scb or es but as far as holding up and hull integrity, I'd put them at least equal to a sparkly one any day.
Reading that back, it sounds worse than I meant it. I don't think Shoalwater/Haynie/ElPescador are lower end by any means. I've been on all three and like them all but I just think Simmons and OG SCB is in a different category all together.
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Id think the used SCB/ESCB market is kinda thin.

And only there due to the reasons JP said
Very true. Not much out there but really I haven't seen much at all out there when looking at the names I listed. I've actually found quite a few Simmons and OG SCB for sale, anywhere from $70K few year old RC to $90-100K year old Revos. But like stated, most are guys that have a new one on order and are just selling their old one.
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Reading that back, it sounds worse than I meant it. I don't think Shoalwater/Haynie/ElPescador are lower end by any means. I've been on all three and like them all but I just think Simmons and OG SCB is in a different category all together.
They are definitely nice and finished to a different level than the others you mentioned.
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Used, but you have to be patient. I just bought a 2007 Triton 240lts with only 132 original hours on boat & motor. It's basically a brand new boat, but I paid well less than half what a new one would cost. Now you do have to be extra careful and get stuff checked out by a mechanic as sitting for long periods can be bad for motors as well.
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Buying used can be a great move if you are ready to act fast. I got really lucky in September 2019 and a buddy of mine wanted to sell his 2016 scb recon and I got first opportunity and bought it. I was even more lucky that I had probably been on that boat with him for 50+ of the 100 hours he had on it at the time. I would call Eric Simmons and let him know you are looking for a used rig and to keep an eye out. The ES custom Facebook page is a good group to join if youíre on Facebook as some come across there time to time.


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Buying used can be a great move if you are ready to act fast. I got really lucky in September 2019 and a buddy of mine wanted to sell his 2016 scb recon and I got first opportunity and bought it. I was even more lucky that I had probably been on that boat with him for 50+ of the 100 hours he had on it at the time. I would call Eric Simmons and let him know you are looking for a used rig and to keep an eye out. The ES custom Facebook page is a good group to join if youíre on Facebook as some come across there time to time.


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I'm on there and have seen some come through just haven't been quick enough on the trigger so far.
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I'm on there and have seen some come through just haven't been quick enough on the trigger so far.
Post up what you are looking for an you will get some responses. A lot of times people don't post as the tire kickers run wild or the $$$$ for a used boat you are crazy.

I was going to put mine on the market but I am going to keep it another year. I am on this list for a rev or his new mold.
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Funny it swung $16k the other way. OOOOOps

But then again most cant and dont pay cash for a boat either
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Post up what you are looking for an you will get some responses. A lot of times people don't post as the tire kickers run wild or the $$$$ for a used boat you are crazy.



I was going to put mine on the market but I am going to keep it another year. I am on this list for a rev or his new mold.
I was gonna mention one may be available here

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The used boat market is just as crazy as the used boat market. Iíve seen a lot of used boats lately going for dang near new prices. Itís simple supply and demand right now.

I might put mine on the market around November, but not totally decided right now.


I really want a JH outlaw 210x.


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The used boat market is just as crazy as the used boat market. Iíve seen a lot of used boats lately going for dang near new prices. Itís simple supply and demand right now.

I might put mine on the market around November, but not totally decided right now.


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I have a buddy who will be selling his 25' Outlaw about then.
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I have a buddy who will be selling his 25' Outlaw about then.

If I were guiding I could see the 25, but for my use I canít justify it.


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Every boat I've ever owned I bought used. I usually break even on them, and have never lost big as long as they're well maintained.
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My .02. Let someone else take the "new" hit and buy at a discount. Boats and RVs are generally very seldom used. If you can find a used one that's been kept in storage you can almost buy a brand new 10 yr old sled. Some of us use our boats weekly, but a big majority buy new, use it for a summer, then the cool wears off and it gets put in the water 2-3 times a year after that. If it were me, I'd buy a well kept used boat.



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Can someone show me where this depreciation is, Iíve been shopping for months and itís seems decent boats are within a few grand of new. Iíve been looking for a sportsman 227 masters and 3-4 year old asking 3-4 grand less than brand new.

Iím looking at Facebook marketplace and seeing a boat model I have been quoted for 61500 brand new master 227 platinum with trailer and they are trying to get 65-70 used. I thank I can add my own power pole for 2500.

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Can someone show me where this depreciation is, Iíve been shopping for months and itís seems decent boats are within a few grand of new. Iíve been looking for a sportsman 227 masters and 3-4 year old asking 3-4 grand less than brand new.

Iím looking at Facebook marketplace and seeing a boat model I have been quoted for 61500 brand new master 227 platinum with trailer and they are trying to get 65-70 used. I thank I can add my own power pole for 2500.

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Current covid world there is not much depreciation, when the bubble pops it will probably be significant.
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Can someone show me where this depreciation is, Iíve been shopping for months and itís seems decent boats are within a few grand of new. Iíve been looking for a sportsman 227 masters and 3-4 year old asking 3-4 grand less than brand new.

Iím looking at Facebook marketplace and seeing a boat model I have been quoted for 61500 brand new master 227 platinum with trailer and they are trying to get 65-70 used. I thank I can add my own power pole for 2500.

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There isnít. The new boat market is so short of supply, it has caused the use market to get stupid.


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What they said. If you're jones'n to buy right now, you're gonna get the shaft.

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Hire glen 3-4 times a year and you'll be in fish and money ahead.
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Every boat I've ever owned I bought used. I usually break even on them, and have never lost big as long as they're well maintained.
I've been pretty happy with the sail of a few.

The last one left for 2500 less than I paid for it 8 years prior

Im pretty confident I could sells my current boat for what I paid in 2015. Like you, my stuff is clean
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