SBR at the range

[Hunteraudit]

Who the hail they think they are?

Private business owners. Respect their wishes or avoid.

[meltingfeather]

Private business owners. Respect their wishes or avoid.

They’re also in business serving the public and as a customer I would probably courteously let them know what I think of invasive policies. Sometimes, like the guy who goes there, you gotta deal with it if there are no other options.
Gotta love the irony of respecting their right as private business owners to require you to present documents that are none of their business. [emoji849]

[Mike D]

Private business owners. Respect their wishes or avoid.

They aren’t ATF or LE. They have no right to see them.


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[sir shovelhands]

They aren’t ATF or LE. They have no right to see them.


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True, but they do have the right to make you leave for whatever reason they so choose. Be it refusing play hide the pickle, or not showing your papers for an sbr. It's their land, their rules.

[Mike D]

True, but they do have the right to make you leave for whatever reason they so choose. Be it refusing play hide the pickle, or not showing your papers for an sbr. It's their land, their rules.

If they really think I’m stupid enough to bring NFA items into a public range then I’ll gladly leave and go to a range that isn’t such a bunch of fudds and power hungry.




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[sir shovelhands]

If they really think I’m stupid enough to bring NFA items into a public range then I’ll gladly leave and go to a range that isn’t such a bunch of fudds and power hungry.




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As is your right. I personally would be annoyed if my range asked me, but they don't.

[35remington]

Wish the Glock would work with a suppressor.

Why doesn't it work with a can?

They aren’t ATF or LE. They have no right to see them.

The range staff has as much right to see your NFA paperwork as you have to stand on their private property. I don't understand all the panty-twisting about this issue. Are there snowflakes amongst us?

[Mike D]

SBR at the range

The range staff has as much right to see your NFA paperwork as you have to stand on their private property. I don't understand all the panty-twisting about this issue. Are there snowflakes amongst us?

Explain why you think private employees have any right to request to see NFA paperwork.

They aren’t LE and at best all they could do is ask me to leave, which I will gladly do as I stated earlier.

How are they negatively affected or under any liability by me bringing NFA regulated items into their facility?




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[roughneck266]

Why doesn't it work with a can?

Cyclic rate is too fast for the booster to do it's job. I can get a three round burst basically, but that's about it.

[35remington]

Explain why you think private employees have any right to request to see NFA paperwork.

They don't. And you don't have any right to be on their property. So the rights are equal. Surely you can make that connection.

How are they negatively affected or under any liability by me bringing NFA regulated items into their facility?

Does it really take much creativity to imagine the liability sh1t-show of a range owner who gets dragged into court when, as it turns out, America's next mass murderer was using their range to test his illegal home-made Maglite cans until he got them just perfect enough to perpetrate his crime?

[ultrastealth]

They don't. And you don't have any right to be on their property. So the rights are equal. Surely you can make that connection.


Does it really take much creativity to imagine the liability sh1t-show of a range owner who gets dragged into court when, as it turns out, America's next mass murderer was using their range to test his illegal home-made Maglite cans until he got them just perfect enough to perpetrate his crime?

That would make as much sense as asking to see your cancelled check to prove you are up to date on your income taxes. A tax stamp is proof of having paid the tax on your NFA item. There wouldn't be any more liability from a future mass murderer having not paid his NFA tax than if he had not paid his income taxes. It's a technicality, not a public nuisance.

[35remington]

That would make as much sense as asking to see your cancelled check to prove you are up to date on your income taxes. A tax stamp is proof of having paid the tax on your NFA item. There wouldn't be any more liability from a future mass murderer having not paid his NFA tax than if he had not paid his income taxes. It's a technicality, not a public nuisance.

I do not understand the point you are trying to make. Can you unpack it a bit?

[ultrastealth]

I do not understand the point you are trying to make. Can you unpack it a bit?

Whether or not a potential murderer has a tax stamp imparts no liability on the range owner. He can't delve into the psychology of people responsibly using his range.

[2B4Him]

Whether or not a potential murderer has a tax stamp imparts no liability on the range owner. He can't delve into the psychology of people responsibly using his range.

I would certainly assume that a 'gun range' has substantially higher general liability insurance rates than a golf 'driving range'. As part of the limited number of insurers willing to take on the risk of covering a 'gun range', I would also assume terms are included in the policy which forbid the use of illegal firearms on the premises. Some 'gun ranges' probably attempt to abide by such terms differently than others: one range may rely on 'profiling' while another has someone ask gun owners about their stamps.
Hopefully our country will stay free enough that private property owners can make what demands they wish of those desiring to use their property and those desiring to use the property can retain the freedom to not patronize those private property owners' businesses if they disagree with those demands.

[Jspradley]

I've never been hassled but there's a lot of canned and SBR shooters at my range.

There's nothing in the range rules prohibiting cans or SBRs nor a requirement to show paperwork so unless they are ATF agents then I have no duty to show them that and if hassled I'd ask where in the rules they have the authority to hassle me.

Always know your range rules and keep them on your side