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Old 05-18-2019, 08:52 PM   #1
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Just got saw a photo of a large cat hanging inside a barn and reportedly was killed near Rock Springs. And a young man with a Real Tree T -shirt.

Anybody can post this to see if this is another one of ďthoseĒ photos? Passed around and the story always changes.

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Old 05-18-2019, 08:57 PM   #2
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I heard it was near mountain home
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:05 PM   #3
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I heard it was near blackwell
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:07 PM   #4
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Did y’all recognize my description of the photo of the cat?

Or are y’all yoking with me?

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Old 05-18-2019, 09:19 PM   #5
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I saw it on a couple of Facebook hunting groups. All reported it as being killed in the Garven Store area. I think it said Kerr County. Supposedly, there's another big one reported to have been seen in the same area. For what it's worth. I don't believe 1/2 of what I see on Facebook...
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:21 PM   #6
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I heard it was in travis county
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:25 PM   #7
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Did yíall recognize my description of the photo of the cat?

Or are yíall yoking with me?

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The pic I saw was like you described. Hanging head with a guy standing behind it. The cat looked as big and a female lion. Not a mountain lion
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:26 PM   #8
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Not a mountain lion?

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Old 05-18-2019, 09:29 PM   #9
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I saw it on a couple of Facebook hunting groups. All reported it as being killed in the Garven Store area. I think it said Kerr County. Supposedly, there's another big one reported to have been seen in the same area. For what it's worth. I don't believe 1/2 of what I see on Facebook...
This is what I read/heard too.
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I heard it was near mountain home



Mountain Lion, at Mountain Home. Makes sense to me.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:44 PM   #11
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:45 PM   #12
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:47 PM   #13
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Oh I’m slow. And tired.

Thanks guys.

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Old 05-18-2019, 09:55 PM   #14
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That feller looks kinda like Perow on here.
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Old 05-18-2019, 10:02 PM   #15
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It’s apparently an old pic. But it was a big mountain lion.
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Old 05-18-2019, 10:13 PM   #17
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That feller looks kinda like Perow on here.
I think itís Luke Bryan, sheís pretty!
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Old 05-18-2019, 10:22 PM   #19
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That cat is jacked! Never missed Bi & Tri day at the gym lol

Guy could step forward a couple steps to help judge the size better
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Old 05-18-2019, 10:36 PM   #20
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Unlike homeboy that killed her
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Old 05-18-2019, 10:38 PM   #21
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Itís apparently an old pic. But it was a big mountain lion.
No itís not a real big cat , the person in the picture is ď fish stretcher ď the cat
The guy is behind and away = a nice picture to make your catch look bigger

And kerrviile/ mountain home doesnít sound outlandish as in my life time
We have had confirmed black bear and mountain lion here in boerne/ Kenndall county and even a jaguarundi killed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguarundi
I doubt we will ever see any or have any more do to urban sprawl
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Old 05-18-2019, 10:56 PM   #22
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look at the size of that extension cord!
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Old 05-18-2019, 11:22 PM   #23
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No itís not a real big cat , the person in the picture is ď fish stretcher ď the cat
The guy is behind and away = a nice picture to make your catch look bigger

And kerrviile/ mountain home doesnít sound outlandish as in my life time
We have had confirmed black bear and mountain lion here in boerne/ Kenndall county and even a jaguarundi killed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguarundi
I doubt we will ever see any or have any more do to urban sprawl
Yeah I didnít look too close at the pic until yíall posted it here. I agree with you. The position of the guyís boot makes the cat look like he makes Ball & Crockett
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Old 05-19-2019, 02:11 AM   #24
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So question. Why do we hunt mountain lions? If theyíre so incredibly rare, especially here in this particular state, why are people hunting them? Seems to me if we keep at that practice theyíll be extinct.....or is that the goal?


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Old 05-19-2019, 02:54 AM   #25
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So question. Why do we hunt mountain lions? If they’re so incredibly rare, especially here in this particular state, why are people hunting them? Seems to me if we keep at that practice they’ll be extinct.....or is that the goal?


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I don't think they're that rare. People don't see them because they don't want to be seen. Combine that with the wide range in which they travel and seeing one is rare,yes. But rare as in not very many of them?....Not hardly.

Plus just think of all the trail cam pictures people get of them. For the longest time this website alone had me convinced there was a mountain lion on everyone's property in Texas. They're everywhere.

Texas is a massive State. Nobody knows how many mountain lions live there. There's no possible way to know that. Not to mention the mountain lions that travel from bordering States or Mexico that aren't Texas residents but occasionally visit to kill a deer,hiker or border jumper.

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Old 05-19-2019, 06:57 AM   #26
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I have read a post stating the mountain lion was killed near McDonald Road near the Garvin Store. When I looked on the maps around for McDonald Road there I couldn't find one near the Garvin Store.
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Old 05-19-2019, 06:58 AM   #27
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I would bet that most of the very few people that have killed one in this state weren't actually hunting them, but had an incredible, legal, adrenaline pumping, opportunity at a trophy of many lifetimes. They also helped improve the deer herd and potentially saved some livestock in the area. I agree with the post above, there are more in the state, especially south, than we think we have, but they are the ultimate predator and don't want to be seen. Even in states where they have "lots" of them, people pay a lot of money to hunt them and few ever do kill one. I don't think anyone wants to see them become extinct, but I don't think the small handful that are killed in this state are going to come close to hurting the population. I guarantee you there are more born or that migrate in than are killed each year by hunters. I feel incredibly fortunate to have actually seen one and a good friend has actually killed one. This after many years of doubting their existence. Now, if one these black ones here in East Texas would just show up.
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Old 05-19-2019, 07:06 AM   #28
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Mountain lions are no where near “rare”. That is a big misconception.
They are categorized as least concern and there are plenty of them. Especially here in Texas.

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Old 05-19-2019, 08:11 AM   #29
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Old 05-19-2019, 08:43 AM   #30
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Only the black ones are considered rare ---------------------or extinct
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Old 05-19-2019, 09:32 AM   #32
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Average range of a mountain lion is 300 square miles is what I read. Not saying there is one every 300 sq miles but that's there average territory.
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Old 05-19-2019, 10:32 AM   #33
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Though not nearing extinction, they are extremely rare, and IMO the state should require a special permit to kill them , I have lived and worked on some of the larger ranches in south and west Texas, and seen a few alive, and some dead ( mainly small juveniles why do people kill such animals) , now some people are going to say they kill sheep and goats or calfís or eat your wifeís cat or dog , well those should be controlled by a nuisance cat permit
And people who argue ď well they kill my deer ď well you donít technically own the deer and the ones killed by a mountain Lion are a natural process
Sheep , goats , calfís and deer are 1000% more likely to be killed by a stray dog
Or pack of dogs
So as yíall can see I would like to see more big cats
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Old 05-19-2019, 11:52 AM   #34
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Garner state Park is not to far away from the Garven store. A lot of easy pickins there for a Mountain Lion. Have a few hog traps not far from there either off the Frio. Game rich area. The West Kerr Ranch reposted this and I consider them reputable.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:40 AM   #35
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:49 AM   #36
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Why in the world would you stand that far back from an already impressive animal? Was it not good enough?

Still a big kitty. Congrats to the hunter on an awesome animal.
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:36 AM   #37
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look at the size of those for arms and head on that sucker
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Old 05-20-2019, 09:02 AM   #38
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I am 66 years old and there are more mountain lions in Texas today than any time in my life. Now that the sheep and goat industry has almost disappeared, there are very few ranches in the Hill Country, Edwards Plateau or Trans-Pecos doing much predator control. There are only a handful of lion hunters (houndsmen) today as many absentee landowners are not interested in predator control or someone trailing a lion across their ranch.
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Old 05-20-2019, 09:10 AM   #39
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Mountain lion population is going up in Texas, not down. They're rare and will stay rare in any areas heavily inhabited by people, but they have a whole lot of wide open land in the South and Western half of the State, and I think the explosion in pig population is making it easier on them.

They're an apex predator and you just can't have a huge population of them around. My parents used to live near Mt. Lemon in Arizona and that small range has one of (if not the) highest population densities of Mountain Lions in the US. They were estimating like 10 cats in the 12 mile range and when they did an actual fly-over census, they counted close to 40 that they actually verified. They started showing up in the city parks, etc. and had to start hunting them.
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Hmm interesting. With as many sightings I see here on TBH that are very obviously not a ML but turn out to be a bobcat or dog or whatever, along with the research Iíve been able to read about I thought they are pretty rare. Actually most of the research states itís unknown how the population fairing but likely not increasing. I did read one article that stated on one ranch the population was healthy and in that general area the population was ďprobably healthy and increasing but unable to determine due to the elusiveness of the catsĒ. Doesnít seem to me theyíre increasing but theyíre not endangered yet either based on actual research.


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Nice forced perspective there bro...

As far as hunting Mountain Lions, they are an IUCN Least Concern species, have the largest range of any mammal in the Western Hemisphere so why not? I do believe that they should be categorized as a game animal and have restrictions on their take in TX though.
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My exact thoughts every time I see one of these types of photos.
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Hmm interesting. With as many sightings I see here on TBH that are very obviously not a ML but turn out to be a bobcat or dog or whatever, along with the research Iíve been able to read about I thought they are pretty rare. Actually most of the research states itís unknown how the population fairing but likely not increasing. I did read one article that stated on one ranch the population was healthy and in that general area the population was ďprobably healthy and increasing but unable to determine due to the elusiveness of the catsĒ. Doesnít seem to me theyíre increasing but theyíre not endangered yet either based on actual research.


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Read this book. It's pretty good.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path..._Mountain_Lion

Lots of mountain lions around, and they are expanding their range.
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Thanks TxAg Iíll read it. Iím totally game if thereís a healthy population and Iíd hunt a mature one if that was the case. I just canít stomach the thought of killing any animal thatís rare so Iím looking to feel better about celebrating someone thatís killed a ML. Just the only literature Iíve read doesnít exactly say theyíre plentiful.


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Thanks TxAg Iíll read it. Iím totally game if thereís a healthy population and Iíd hunt a mature one if that was the case. I just canít stomach the thought of killing any animal thatís rare so Iím looking to feel better about celebrating someone thatís killed a ML. Just the only literature Iíve read doesnít exactly say theyíre plentiful.


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I donít care if they are plentiful or not. They donít really serve a purpose in Texas anymore. Hunters take care of the deer population, we donít need an apex predator to do it for us. Cattle, sheep, goats, and horses are never going to overpopulate and there is a significant dollar loss if a big cat kills one. I donít want them killing my dog either.

If they go extinct so be it. I donít want any tigers or wolves running around in Texas either.


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I donít care if they are plentiful or not. They donít really serve a purpose in Texas anymore. Hunters take care of the deer population, we donít need an apex predator to do it for us. Cattle, sheep, goats, and horses are never going to overpopulate and there is a significant dollar loss if a big cat kills one. I donít want them killing my dog either.

If they go extinct so be it. I donít want any tigers or wolves running around in Texas either.


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I donít care if they are plentiful or not. They donít really serve a purpose in Texas anymore. Hunters take care of the deer population, we donít need an apex predator to do it for us. Cattle, sheep, goats, and horses are never going to overpopulate and there is a significant dollar loss if a big cat kills one. I donít want them killing my dog either.

If they go extinct so be it. I donít want any tigers or wolves running around in Texas either.


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Yeah.........we will agree to completely disagree. But Iíll make a note that I actually saw someone post ďif they go extinct then so be itĒ

I think the only thing Iíd say that about would be mosquitoes.


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Old 05-20-2019, 07:24 PM   #48
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I donít care if they are plentiful or not. They donít really serve a purpose in Texas anymore. Hunters take care of the deer population, we donít need an apex predator to do it for us. Cattle, sheep, goats, and horses are never going to overpopulate and there is a significant dollar loss if a big cat kills one. I donít want them killing my dog either.

If they go extinct so be it. I donít want any tigers or wolves running around in Texas either.


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I sure hope you are trying to be funny. If not you may need to be neutered.
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I sure hope you are trying to be funny. If not you may need to be neutered.


Get out your knife and pack a lunch then cause Iím not trying to be funny.

Do I want them to go extinct? No. Does it influence my life one way or the other if they do? No

I think the population is low enough and the deer are plentiful enough that they donít even make a blip on the radar. If I see one that I can get a shot at Iím going to shoot it.




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Yeah.........we will agree to completely disagree. But Iíll make a note that I actually saw someone post ďif they go extinct then so be itĒ

I think the only thing Iíd say that about would be mosquitoes.


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