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Old 07-21-2022, 03:08 PM   #1
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We need a law that if it can be proved, by video or other means, that a person tossed a cigarette from a vehicle, they could be charged with attempted arson and if that cigarette caused a fire then charged with arson and prosecuted to the maximum that the law allows.
Iím so sick and tired of these stinking jerks that donít give a rats azz about anybody or anything else but themselves.

Got to spent the afternoon yesterday helping my in-laws and VFD fight a fire that almost took their place. Fire started on the side of the road right in front of their pasture. Yeah I canít prove that it was a cigarette but considering the location itís a real good indicator.






On a side note, all you guys and gals that are volunteer firefighters, yíall are my heroís. Thank you for what you do.


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Old 07-21-2022, 03:12 PM   #2
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Driving in on I-20 in the dark most mornings I'm shocked at how many little glowing missiles I see flying out of car windows. It's always stupid but in these conditions you are right - it's downright criminal!
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:14 PM   #3
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:15 PM   #4
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Driving in on I-20 in the dark most mornings I'm shocked at how many little glowing missiles I see flying out of car windows. It's always stupid but in these conditions you are right - it's downright criminal!
I hate them so bad that I want to beat them. Stupid, stupid people.
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:15 PM   #5
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I agree anyone tossing cigs is a feminine hygiene product. We have enough laws, just enforce them. We do t need more government ever
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:16 PM   #6
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See it all the time.
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:16 PM   #7
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I'm sorry that y'all had to put up with that garbage. I agree with your premise but I can't believe that there will be a law charging arson or attempted arson. Proof of intent would be necessary and nearly impossible. I do know that the cig man can get nailed for careless or negligence as long as there is a witness or photo/video. BTW, I'm not a smoker other than the occasional cigar at deer camp.
You do realize that broken glass on the side of the road has started fires in the past?
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:16 PM   #8
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Iíve seen people charged with starting fires by welding or burning trash and brush but not for tossing a butt.
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:17 PM   #9
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They thump a cig out the window...
And they're 5 miles down the road, before it flares into a full blown flame up.
And they never know, they started it...
The only thing that's gonna help stop it....
Is plate numbers.. And serious time out. !!!!
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:19 PM   #10
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I'm sorry that y'all had to put up with that garbage. I agree with your premise but I can't believe that there will be a law charging arson or attempted arson. Proof of intent would be necessary and nearly impossible. I do know that the cig man can get nailed for careless or negligence as long as there is a witness or photo/video. BTW, I'm not a smoker other than the occasional cigar at deer camp.
You do realize that broken glass on the side of the road has started fires in the past?
I know, Iím just ranting. But the majority of all grass fires that Iíve seen have always started at a roadside and with all the butt tossers Iíve seen, Iím pretty convinced that they are the culprits.
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:20 PM   #11
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We each need to get a free pass where we get to use a taser on someone once every 3 months or so.

Issue is the people who smoke cigs still and toss them carelessly out car windows are highly likely the ones with zero money. Fine them and they just don't pay.
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:31 PM   #12
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I agree anyone tossing cigs is a feminine hygiene product. We have enough laws, just enforce them. We do t need more government ever
I hear you. Iím pretty much a less government and letís enforce the laws on the books kinda guy but this is really a frustrating thing.
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:42 PM   #13
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I understand your rage. It’s scary dry here

I understand sparks from chains dragging starts a few too
Hard to imagine but that’s from VFW people here.

BTW those showers in the back of those photos is beautiful.
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:47 PM   #14
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I understand your rage. Itís scary dry here

I understand sparks from chains dragging starts a few too
Hard to imagine but thatís from VFW people here.

BTW those showers in the back of those photos is beautiful.
It was tough to see those showers. They were out by Graham I think. Glad someone was getting some rain.
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:48 PM   #15
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Start at the source - ban cig smokers!
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Old 07-21-2022, 03:51 PM   #16
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Old 07-21-2022, 04:10 PM   #17
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I hear you. I’m pretty much a less government and let’s enforce the laws on the books kinda guy but this is really a frustrating thing.
I totally get it. We have a place in the hill country and I worry every day. I think the govt. is 100% useless. IF we need a new law it should be that you can drag the jerk out of his/her car and “preach” to ‘em a little. Same for chain draggers.

There is no penalty for poor behavior any more.

NOTE: Good chance I’d get beat up if I tried to “preach” but whatever
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Old 07-21-2022, 04:36 PM   #18
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Start at the source - ban cig smokers!
just ban tobacco products and be done with it.
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Old 07-21-2022, 04:44 PM   #19
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I've never understood why at the very least the cig-tossers are cited for littering....yeah I know LEO have bigger things to do/murders to solve etc.

I guess it is just time for a few more "DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS" commericals!
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Old 07-21-2022, 04:45 PM   #20
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just ban tobacco products and be done with it.
And alcohol. Drunks toss out beer cans and bottles. Bottles start fires. Beer cans flow down the ditches into creeks and rivers.
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Old 07-21-2022, 04:50 PM   #21
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What about a ciggaweed
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Old 07-21-2022, 05:14 PM   #22
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I agree stick them out there fighting fires as part of restitution for their stupid sh$t. Can't beat stupid out of stupid

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Old 07-21-2022, 05:14 PM   #23
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Just ban cars. Leave the beer, ciggs, and weed alone.
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Old 07-21-2022, 05:53 PM   #24
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Old 07-21-2022, 05:54 PM   #25
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Trailer catch chains cause a lot of sparks/fires.
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Old 07-21-2022, 05:57 PM   #26
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Make fire illegal. Solves lots of problems.
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Old 07-21-2022, 06:17 PM   #27
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Make fire illegal. Solves lots of problems.
Makes sense to me. All laws work as intended. There is a 55 mile an hour sign 1/4 mile from my house. I have never seen a LEO issuing a speeding ticket at that sign. But quite often I see them writing tickets about 200 yards past that sign. I have often wondered why they don’t put another sign 200 yards down the road because the first one is obviously working.

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Old 07-21-2022, 06:27 PM   #28
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Around here and heading west to Eldorado, most of the highway fires are caused by 18 wheelers riding on a blown tire or folks pulling a RV / boat, utility trailer with the safety chains dragging

I am sure some are tobacco related to.
Just saying,

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Old 07-21-2022, 06:36 PM   #29
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In fire school, we learned that fewer than 1% of wildland fires were caused by cigarettes flicked out the window. I thought that sounded like a low percentage, but who knows?
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Old 07-21-2022, 06:46 PM   #30
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Old 07-21-2022, 07:00 PM   #31
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Have written a ticket for everyone I have seen.
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Old 07-21-2022, 07:17 PM   #33
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I’ve heard that catylitic converters can cause fires in taller grasses.
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Old 07-21-2022, 07:18 PM   #34
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Have written a ticket for everyone I have seen.
Good, i cant stand people who litter.
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Old 07-21-2022, 07:26 PM   #35
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Burn ban is a burn ban. Just gonna be harder to identify the culprit since they are in transit, at speed, and probably most of the time there will be no id.


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In fire school, we learned that fewer than 1% of wildland fires were caused by cigarettes flicked out the window. I thought that sounded like a low percentage, but who knows?
My uncle was big wig with texdot in 1950ís to 1980ís. He said they tried many experiments on trying to start fires by throwing lit cigarettes out of moving car windows. He said They never could get the to start a fire. They knew it was happening. They were trying to figure out ways to prevent them on their rideaways .

On another note I drove down I10 from Luling to I35 to Columbia Bridge west of Laredo. Probably were burned spots on the sides of the road and up into some pastures at least every 20 miles.
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Iíve heard that catylitic converters can cause fires in taller grasses.
I (and maybe most officers) have seen a patrol car start a fire on side of the road during a traffic stop.

I really have not noticed it since we went to Tahoes.
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In fire school, we learned that fewer than 1% of wildland fires were caused by cigarettes flicked out the window. I thought that sounded like a low percentage, but who knows?
So what did they say causes all the roadway fires?

Theyíre everywhere and always start at the side of the road and you canít drive down the road without seeing some fool toss a butt out the window.
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Y'all are all wrong and missing the point.....ban window mechanisms. You can't throw anything out the winder if you can't roll it down!
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Old 07-21-2022, 07:46 PM   #40
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A couple years ago I was driving to the lease and passed 3 small, freshly started grass fires in the ditch over a one mile stretch. Then I passed a guy pulled over with a trailer tire on fire. I assumed a bearing seized up

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Was headed home from Dallas Tuesday traveling on Hwy 175. Watched a lady toss a cigarette out. Saw the smoke dance across the pavement. Reached the shoulder and was still smoking as I passed. I went ahead and pulled over and within seconds a fire had started. Didn’t have anything on me other than a cup of lemonade. Called Crandall Fire Department immediately and started putting out what I could. Another guy pulled over and helped me. We manage to get it out before the fire department showed up. Amazing how much ground it covered in such a short period of time. Really windy that day and by the time we got it out I would guess 1/2 acre was burned. Had I kept driving there is no telling how many acres would have burned.
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Old 07-21-2022, 09:50 PM   #42
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Trains start many fires. I've seen 20 burned spots in the day down the part of Hwy.29 where the tracks are right by the highway.
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Keep a broom in your truck. I can’t tell you how much fire that I have put out with one. I was a volunteer firefighter. At grassfires , where the truck couldn’t go, we went with brooms. We swept a lot of fires out.
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Old 07-22-2022, 07:26 AM   #44
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Trains start many fires. I've seen 20 burned spots in the day down the part of Hwy.29 where the tracks are right by the highway.

Hand brake on a car or sticking brakes. Iíve seen those wheels so hot they are blue.
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Old 07-22-2022, 07:32 AM   #45
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Was headed home from Dallas Tuesday traveling on Hwy 175. Watched a lady toss a cigarette out. Saw the smoke dance across the pavement. Reached the shoulder and was still smoking as I passed. I went ahead and pulled over and within seconds a fire had started. Didnít have anything on me other than a cup of lemonade. Called Crandall Fire Department immediately and started putting out what I could. Another guy pulled over and helped me. We manage to get it out before the fire department showed up. Amazing how much ground it covered in such a short period of time. Really windy that day and by the time we got it out I would guess 1/2 acre was burned. Had I kept driving there is no telling how many acres would have burned.
Good on yíall ! I put one out in a pine thicket many years ago by myself. It was a little scary but I had a shovel and just ran around raking the straw back into the burned area.
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Old 07-22-2022, 07:44 AM   #46
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I was in Kauai last week and seen a great solution to smoking. A carton of Marlboro’s was 131.99. I’d bet they do not sell much at that price.
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I was driving down 35 behind a survey truck for a long stretch. D bag driving it was tossing cig after cig out. Pulled up next to him and got the name of the company off the door. Googled it. Few minutes later I had his boss on the phone. Guy was ****** and said heíd handle it and that wasnít the image their company was looking to put forth.
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Old 07-22-2022, 08:40 AM   #48
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So what did they say causes all the roadway fires?

Theyíre everywhere and always start at the side of the road and you canít drive down the road without seeing some fool toss a butt out the window.
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Old 07-22-2022, 08:49 AM   #49
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I use this app often for cig butts and litter!!!

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/litterer/id882082348
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Old 07-22-2022, 08:53 AM   #50
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Seeing all the butts laying around really ticks me off. Pull up to a stop sign or light and look down, you’ll see tons of them laying there.
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