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Old 11-07-2022, 12:09 PM   #1
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Question How much is a cow & calf worth hit by a drunk driver

Well Sunday my buddy comes over to camp and is freaking out, his neighbors teenage son took the short cut though his ranch because he got wasted in town
And center punched a momma cow & a buck in back to back wrecks
They can’t find the helfer calf .
My opinion was kid and parents pay market price for cow + 10 years of calving
And if helfer calf can’t be found they owe market + 10 production on it too

And if insurance takes liability
What’s fair and equitable?

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Old 11-07-2022, 12:12 PM   #2
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Insurance will more than likely cover only market value of the animals that can be proven dead.
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Old 11-07-2022, 12:13 PM   #3
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who can prove his intoxication?
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Old 11-07-2022, 12:13 PM   #4
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Market price for the animals is all that’s owed.
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Old 11-07-2022, 12:13 PM   #5
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Once they pay for the cow he can buy another one so I donít see the 10 years of calving part.
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Old 11-07-2022, 12:14 PM   #6
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Insurance will more than likely cover only market value of the animals that can be proven dead.
I had to explain to my best friends wife his guns cost a lot more than he admitted to...
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Old 11-07-2022, 12:18 PM   #7
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I had to explain to my best friends wife his guns cost a lot more than he admitted to...
Mines an Ex now so my boys will get them all. Don't have to worry about that anymore.
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Old 11-07-2022, 12:22 PM   #8
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Once they pay for the cow he can buy another one so I donít see the 10 years of calving part.

yup....
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Old 11-07-2022, 12:29 PM   #9
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Once they pay for the cow he can buy another one so I donít see the 10 years of calving part.
This.

I don't think it's the same as paying restitution on game animals.

Livestock can be replaced at market value.
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Old 11-07-2022, 12:31 PM   #10
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who can prove his intoxication?
Kids parents fressed up when question why he was was cutting through on the ranch
Parents are pretty liberal about letting both their kids drink on weekends
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Old 11-07-2022, 12:34 PM   #11
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Market value only. Buy a new cow and calf, and let them raise babies for the next 10 years.
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Replacement cost. Not what she would bring through the ring right now.

Does the neighbor have decent cattle? Your buddy should be able go hand pick his replacement.
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Old 11-07-2022, 12:48 PM   #13
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Replacement cost. Not what she would bring through the ring right now.

Does the neighbor have decent cattle? Your buddy should be able go hand pick his replacement.
Yes , but it was the hired hands son , and the truck totaled was a ranch owned truck

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Old 11-07-2022, 12:51 PM   #14
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You wont get nearly as much as you think you should. And with no arrest or police report of a failed field sobriety test, who is to say he was drunk?

Market value and move on with life. No more short cuts through the ranch. Problems solved
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Old 11-07-2022, 12:59 PM   #15
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You wont get nearly as much as you think you should. And with no arrest or police report of a failed field sobriety test, who is to say he was drunk?

Market value and move on with life. No more short cuts through the ranch. Problems solved
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Old 11-07-2022, 01:09 PM   #16
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I'd be shocked if insurance paid anything. He was not on a public road.

You can ask they pay for the cow and calf and hopefully they will. I'd ask for $1200 for the cow and $900-1000 for the calf depending on age. A younger calf would be less.
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Old 11-07-2022, 01:24 PM   #17
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Market price for the animals is all that’s owed.
This. Why would they pay 10 years of calving? Take the market value and buy another cow and still get 10 years of calving.

Now asking for a little time/frustration that it takes to go buy and get delivered a new cow is debatable.


And what does the being drunk part have to do with anything? Should be the same if he was 100% sober.

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Old 11-07-2022, 02:01 PM   #18
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The same as they were before they got hit.

Where the hell did you dream up 10 years of calves for each??
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Old 11-07-2022, 02:07 PM   #19
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replacement cost. All depends on how much it cost to replace the livestock. Some can get very expensive. I my breeds and sells their calves between 7-10K at auction. if it was a cow or their bull it would be big bucks.
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Old 11-07-2022, 02:09 PM   #20
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The same as they were before they got hit.

Where the hell did you dream up 10 years of calves for each??
I'm with you on the 10 years. make them buy you two replacements and or heifers and in 18 months you will start getting money back. If your cow was 10 years old, it would need to be sold in the next couple years anyway IMHO
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Old 11-07-2022, 02:13 PM   #21
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I hope it gets worked out. I don't know how it would pan out but I am betting maket value.
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Old 11-07-2022, 02:15 PM   #22
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Definitely just market for value
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Old 11-07-2022, 02:19 PM   #23
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2k walk away
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Old 11-07-2022, 02:56 PM   #24
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The same as they were before they got hit.

Where the hell did you dream up 10 years of calves for each??
I didnít dream that up the briscoe ranch dreamed that up when one of my hunters tagged a cow and I turned it over to our liability insurance
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Old 11-07-2022, 02:59 PM   #25
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I didnít dream that up the briscoe ranch dreamed that up when one of my hunters tagged a cow and I turned it over to our liability insurance



Briscoe was putting the screws to an insurance company loaded with citiots....
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Old 11-07-2022, 03:05 PM   #26
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I had a friend that was in Vietnam, he said you didn't want to run over a chicken over there, cause you weren't just buying that chicken, you were paying for all the eggs it was ever going to produce and the eggs that it's offspring would produce. Luckily this ain't Vietnam ����
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Old 11-07-2022, 03:06 PM   #27
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Why does it matter if he were drunk or not doesn’t shift responsibility any at all.
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Old 11-07-2022, 03:29 PM   #28
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It's an insurance claim on the trucks policy.

Actual cash value of the cows is owed.

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Old 11-07-2022, 03:41 PM   #29
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Proof that he was drunk goes to establish the kid was negligent, which allows the ranch owner to recover actual damages (basically what it costs to replace the 2 cows).

Proof of him driving drunk can also be used to establish gross negligence on the kids part, which allows a victim to recover punitive and/or exemplary damages (additional money to punish the kid or to make an example of him to dissuade others from driving drunk).
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Old 11-07-2022, 03:56 PM   #30
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Proof that he was drunk goes to establish the kid was negligent, which allows the ranch owner to recover actual damages (basically what it costs to replace the 2 cows).

Proof of him driving drunk can also be used to establish gross negligence on the kids part, which allows a victim to recover punitive and/or exemplary damages (additional money to punish the kid or to make an example of him to dissuade others from driving drunk).
You can be negligent and sober.
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Old 11-07-2022, 04:00 PM   #31
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Running over the cows while driving through someone else's pasture without permission is all the proof of negligence anyone will need. And the fact that it didn't happen on a public road has no bearing on liability insurance coverage. He's liable. If he has insurance, they'll pay. If the adjuster pays for 10 years' lost production, he or she is just from the city and stupid. But if they do, take the check.
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Old 11-07-2022, 04:37 PM   #32
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I think it needs to be more than market value. You never know how a cow will pan out over 10 years. I lease my two places and have seen a cow die from prolapse and have also seen a brangus give up her calf last year at around 2 months and this year she totally rejected her new calf. There's always a chance you might not get what you had.
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Old 11-07-2022, 04:50 PM   #33
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While I understand the logic behind using market value to calculate the value of livestock animals versus calculating their value based on loss of future income, I also think the OP has a valid argument that market value--or replacement cost--may not be an accurate representation of the cost of the animal to his operation.

There are a number of ways to calculate the value of inventory (animal or otherwise), and while market value is one of them, this valuation does not take into account other expenses incurred while either maintaining or freshening the inventory item (in this case, the animal). What about the feed required to maintain the animal? vet bills? medications, vaccinations, and other health remedies? While some expenses are considered a cost of doing business (say, running a water line out to a pasture), other, more direct, expenses are considered "cost of goods sold," or COGS, and are used in calculating weighted average value.

All this said, the method one uses to calculate the cost of a livestock animal is contingent on a number of variables, not the least of which are 1) size of the herd at the time of the animal's death and 2) the hundred weight value in the current market.

While I haven't put pen to paper, I have to wonder if, when market prices are as low as they are currently, it wouldn't better benefit the owner to value his cattle based on a weighted average cost rather than replacement (makes value) cost.

All this said, what I think likely matters as much as "a fart in a wind storm," as my father used to say. So there's that.
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Old 11-07-2022, 04:53 PM   #34
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I think it needs to be more than market value. You never know how a cow will pan out over 10 years. I lease my two places and have seen a cow die from prolapse and have also seen a brangus give up her calf last year at around 2 months and this year she totally rejected her new calf. There's always a chance you might not get what you had.

Yeah, and either could have come up lame in 2 weeks and cost $500 eachÖ


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Your reaching….
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Old 11-07-2022, 05:24 PM   #36
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Yeah, and either could have come up lame in 2 weeks and cost $500 eachÖ


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I'd like to see what you would want if they were your cattle that got hit. Likely your stance would change.
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No it wouldnít, fair is fair. If it were my son Iíd offer the man a nice cow/calf pair, and another young heifer, I think thatís fair, and would accept it if things were reversed.

The man has been inconvenienced, and trespassed upon, and he deserves compensation for that.

10 years of calves is moronic.


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Old 11-07-2022, 05:42 PM   #38
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We were told that if we killed a cow on the range at Ft. Hood that the army would have to not only pay for that cow but also all that cow would have produced over the next five years I believe. M

Only killed one that I witnessed. A Ma Duce will do a number on a cow. Wow!
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Old 11-07-2022, 05:47 PM   #39
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No it wouldnít, fair is fair. If it were my son Iíd offer the man a nice cow/calf pair, and another young heifer, I think thatís fair, and would accept it if things were reversed.

10 years of calves is moronic.


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I agree with this. If we could get back dealing fair with each other instead of everyone looking for a "payday", we'd all be better off for it

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Old 11-07-2022, 06:01 PM   #40
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Some of you folks must be Ridin with Biden. Always wanting something for free. Pay the replacement cost, fix what was torn up, have the ranch truck fixed, and whoop that kid’s *** real good.
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My dog killed 3 of neighbors chickens, I replaced with 3 chickens, didn't include 6 months worth of eggs.....not sure on sobriety he didn't get tested
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My dog killed 3 of neighbors chickens, I replaced with 3 chickens, didn't include 6 months worth of eggs.....not sure on sobriety he didn't get tested

Now that is funny


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and completely true, dog isn't around now insurance canceled him.
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.....not sure on sobriety he didn't get tested
Sounds like somebody let their ship sail right by em!!

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he invoked his rights just before he......left.......
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Some of you folks must be Ridin with Biden. Always wanting something for free. Pay the replacement cost, fix what was torn up, have the ranch truck fixed, and whoop that kidís *** real good.
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Old 11-07-2022, 06:56 PM   #47
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Some of you folks must be Ridin with Biden. Always wanting something for free. Pay the replacement cost, fix what was torn up, have the ranch truck fixed, and whoop that kidís *** real good.
Yep, only reverse the order of that list.
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Old 11-07-2022, 07:06 PM   #48
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Old 11-07-2022, 07:10 PM   #49
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Lots more to it than just replacing a good heifer out of your stock that you planned to keep.
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Old 11-07-2022, 07:15 PM   #50
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No it wouldnít, fair is fair. If it were my son Iíd offer the man a nice cow/calf pair, and another young heifer, I think thatís fair, and would accept it if things were reversed.

The man has been inconvenienced, and trespassed upon, and he deserves compensation for that.

10 years of calves is moronic.


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Agree with this 100% especially on anything more than replacement. Lawyers have done a number on a large part of our society.
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