Aborted road rage incident

[Graysonhogs]

You did absolutely nothing wrong. I too am shocked by all the “do nothing-run away” mentality on here. It’s not just this thread, but many like it, that show how so many people live in a constant state of fear of “getting in trouble” for absolutely everything.

My thoughts on open carry..... I do not currently open carry. However, I’m probably going to start. In 2 weeks, Constitutional Carry becomes law in Oklahoma. I’ve been carrying concealed since I was 17-18 years old.....yes illegally, at school. All thru college. At all my jobs. In post offices. Court houses. I stopped caring about “printing” probably 10yrs ago. Open carry, on a belt, at 4:30 position is hands down the most comfortable versus any type of concealed carry. Especially appendix carry while driving/traveling. So yeah...after 20+ years of concealed carry, I’m most likely going to join the open carry crowd. My shirt and/or jacket will still partially covering it at times, I’m just not going to have to worry about it anymore. So to the OP......take no criticism for your choice to open carry. Many times just letting the aggressor know/see what they will potentially have to deal with is more than enough to make them just move on and look for another victim......like some of these folks posting on here.

Refusing to let some POS alter your daily life, in any way, doesn’t make someone a bad-arzz. I don’t think I’m a bad-***. That stopped around my second year of college. However, that doesn’t mean I have to put up with/deal with someone else being a moron. Even though most of society doesn’t want you to think so, it’s still ok to stand up for yourself, in any situation you deem it needed.

This statement is exactly my point as well, albeit for totally opposite reasons.
On the other side, this is why avoiding conflict doesn't make you a coward, or one without "balls". That POS could alter your life forever.

[Graysonhogs]

I don't understand how suggesting to deal with a bad situation in a different way shows a lack of testicle fortitude. Is this some kind of penis envy thing?
Little Man vs Big Man syndrome?

Really and truly the only thing I have a problem with the way the OP handle it is, coming on here and talking about it.
Did he really need to let everyone know that he was a bad Arse yesterday? In doing so he went on record and that can be used again him in a court of law at a later date.

I'm fine with everyone thinking that I'm not a bad arse.

Cause you're not.

[Rick]

Some folks here didn't pay attention in their LTC class and in the unlikely event that they had further firearms training they sure as heck didn't pay attention because a VERY significant portion of that training is that you absolutely should avoid conflict where ever and whenever possible. That is literally the most important part of what is taught.

It's real easy to talk about how you should stand up and be a man avoiding conflict is being a coward on the interwebs, it's a lot tougher to do when you're being passed around in the shower in prison because you had to show what a tough guy you are and teach a bully a lesson (that is very unlikely to change his behavior).

At the end of the day, all action has consequences and if you do have to shoot someone you better have a rock solid explanation of how every single action you did that led up to that event is reasonable and that you weren't looking for trouble in any way or else your life and you family's life is ruined.

If proving to randos on the internet that you aren't a coward is that important to you then that's on you.

well said

[Hoggslayer]

So to the OP......take no criticism for your choice to open carry.

Did anyone criticize him for this? I don't care one way or another about open carry. I do however think that coming on a public forum and telling the world about how you've carried illegally is very manly. That takes a lot of balls to do that. I can see your a man that likes to "keep it real". News flash....the real world doesn't care.

Ya'll have a nice day.

[Hoggslayer]

Cause you're not.

Yep.

[Artos]

It is my belief that the guy freaked out a bit when I followed him in the parking lot, and didn't know what to think when we parked, got out and ignored him. I am willing to bet he was a bit embarrassed. Then again, like I stated before, he may have had an extremely important Phone call to deal with and never even know I was there. He did seem nervous when I pulled in behind him, but it is impossible for us to actually know.

This is exactly what I was getting at the very beginning of the thread...if you thought open carry was the appropriate action for you & your family, then bravo!! who cares if someone else thinks it's 'intimidation' in some negative way or would cause the thug to start shooting from the car with his AR. The what if's are stupid & your actions succeeded.

Only thing I would have done different would not follow directly in behind / take another entrance to the mall and circle back...I don't want some guy in a RR mentality knowing where my vehicle is parked.

[yotethumper]

We got a bunch of professional gun slingers looking for shootouts on the forum apparently because they "shouldn't have to back down" and "have balls".

This discussion has nothing to do with open carry and everything to do with looking for a gunfight.

It deeply concerns me that there are people with this mentality that carry firearms daily...

If simply driving away avoids ANY type of verbal or physical confrontation you should take that route every. single. time.

[yotethumper]

Some folks here didn't pay attention in their LTC class and in the unlikely event that they had further firearms training they sure as heck didn't pay attention because a VERY significant portion of that training is that you absolutely should avoid conflict where ever and whenever possible. That is literally the most important part of what is taught.

It's real easy to talk about how you should stand up and be a man avoiding conflict is being a coward on the interwebs, it's a lot tougher to do when you're being passed around in the shower in prison because you had to show what a tough guy you are and teach a bully a lesson (that is very unlikely to change his behavior).

At the end of the day, all action has consequences and if you do have to shoot someone you better have a rock solid explanation of how every single action you did that led up to that event is reasonable and that you weren't looking for trouble in any way or else your life and you family's life is ruined.

If proving to randos on the internet that you aren't a coward is that important to you then that's on you.

Amen.

[justletmein]

Most people don't actually want confrontation, they honk and drive like maniacs as sort of a passive aggressive way to act a fool. The minute you pulled in the lot behind that guy he wanted out of there, probably never even noticed the gun on your hip.

[Dirtymike]

Some folks here didn't pay attention in their LTC class and in the unlikely event that they had further firearms training they sure as heck didn't pay attention because a VERY significant portion of that training is that you absolutely should avoid conflict where ever and whenever possible. That is literally the most important part of what is taught.

It's real easy to talk about how you should stand up and be a man avoiding conflict is being a coward on the interwebs, it's a lot tougher to do when you're being passed around in the shower in prison because you had to show what a tough guy you are and teach a bully a lesson (that is very unlikely to change his behavior).

At the end of the day, all action has consequences and if you do have to shoot someone you better have a rock solid explanation of how every single action you did that led up to that event is reasonable and that you weren't looking for trouble in any way or else your life and you family's life is ruined.

If proving to randos on the internet that you aren't a coward is that important to you then that's on you.

Rock solid explanation....

You mean like all your radio buddies you have planned to meet being there and how you started talking to them and forgot someone even honked or cut you off earlier...

I am sure his statement to the police would be different than his post on TBH. That is why their are lawyers to assist you in a "statement"

It means a lot to me to be able to go on about my day not scared. Not having to call the police because someone honked at me and cut me off.

OP did nothing wrong.

Traildust you have been spot on as well as the guy with the bulldog by the fireplace.

No reason to change my plans because someone honked or cut me off. Not going to circle the parking lot of block to see if it is safe to get a sammich with my friends.

Guess yall would rather him call his friends and say he is late cause he needs a police escort to arrive cause someone honked and cut him off. Or sorry guys we all need to meet at another place to eat cause i got honked at and cut off.


For all we know the dude was about to **** his pants, it was an emergency, had no ill will towards OP. And **** him self trying to park and never made it to the bathroom in time.

I dont assume everyone that honks or cuts me off is out to get me. I will make a mental note and be aware of them like the OP did as I go on about my business.

[Rick]

It always amazes me how when people on here hear one side of a story they know seem to know exactly what the other person was thinking and his intentions

[Dirtymike]

Had there been a shooting by OP.

His side, meeting my friends at a disclosed location. Got out of my car went to talk to them. As we were talking I noticed and angry aggressive man i had never seen before coming at me with what looked like a gun. I drew my weapon and fired after telling him to stop with his aggression.

Other driver (dead no statement)

Friends " yea so we were talking and this man came out of no where, I sure am glad OP was there to save our ***. Looked like he had and gun or something and i thought he was gonna kill us."

Case closed

[justletmein]

Had there been a shooting by OP.

His side, meeting my friends at a disclosed location. Got out of my car went to talk to them. As we were talking I noticed and angry aggressive man i had never seen before coming at me with what looked like a gun. I drew my weapon and fired after telling him to stop with his aggression.

Other driver (dead no statement)

Friends " yea so we were talking and this man came out of no where, I sure am glad OP was there to save our ***. Looked like he had and gun or something and i thought he was gonna kill us."

Case closed

Three passengers in dead guys car. "I don't know what's going on, that guy brake checked us so we passed him then he followed us into this parking lot. Fred went to go apologize for the misunderstanding and they shot him dead! When the truth comes out that he was followed into the parking lot all the "friends'" statements lose credibility about never seeing the other guy before and suddenly there's an investigation.

[Jspradley]

Three passengers in dead guys car. "I don't know what's going on, that guy brake checked us so we passed him then he followed us into this parking lot. Fred went to go apologize for the misunderstanding and they shot him dead! When the truth comes out that he was followed into the parking lot all the "friends'" statements lose credibility about never seeing the other guy before and suddenly there's an investigation.

Hey now, don't ruin fantasy world for the badazzes! lol

[Dirtymike]

Hey now, don't ruin fantasy world for the badazzes! lol

Well i am just pointing out OP been accused of brandishing, trying to intimidate the other driver, instigating further conflict, starting the conflict, trying to be a badazzes by doing what he was planning to do with his friends....

So lets see, where did this fantasy start? Oh thats right, all the little scared boys that would call the police everytime the wife say so.