2019 Dallas Cowboys season thread....

[Smart]

A full offseason of experience for the QB and WR tandem of Dak and Coop.......no Cole, no Hurns, no TWilliams and no RB for now! Hoping the D can bring the pain and the offense gets their **** together totally. Excited about Gallup, Jaylon, old but now skinny man Witten, a healthy Frederick, the Wolf, Cobb, Connor Williams new build with more experience and the rest of the defense......well except that Heath..


Thanks God for football season! Bring on that and hunting season and some cool weather!



Let's Go Cowboys!

[mjhaverkamp]

I am as optimistic as I have been since 2014 or maybe 2007, they have the makings to be really good, hope Garrett can bring it all together, and Dak.

[Smart]

Originally Posted by Smart

Good point...started.. Thanks Mikey!







Yes he is a generational back in a passing league.. Can't hamstring themselves by overpaying IMO.

Originally Posted by mjhaverkamp

The rams pass a lot and have a great back as well, Dak is not a generational QB, he has to have a bad *** running game to succeed. They have the money and in 2-3 years the contracts will be bargains providing no bad injuries. The time to win is now, not later.

Originally Posted by Jcjohnson

It’s tough but I agree, he’s generational and is very important to the offense. But can you count on him? Dak has not hit his ceiling I think and he needs a chance to prove him self. RB position has a short shelf life and Zeke totes rock a lot not to mention the off field issues that come with him. Safe money is on Dak.

I did look for the 2019 cowboys thread before resurrecting this one

Originally Posted by Smart

Neither is the Rams QB yet. ....they both need a generational system to succeed. The Cowboys' was pre-historic last year....and has been called that by several analysts. Hopefully this Moore new dude can add some wrinkles to change it up.

Rams paid a truck load for Gurley and he got hurt...and they still made it to the Super Bowl. Missed 6 games. I'm still leery of a $15 million+ per for 5 years which is what I have heard he's looking for.


I think Jerry will pay it though. At 76 he needs to get it done now.

moving it over from 2018

[Guerrero88]

Hail to the Redskins ! Can’t wait for the opening weekend of the regular season. Ahh yes cooler weather , Monday Night Football, chili with beans and cold beer.

[Dale Moser]

The Rams paid Gurley, only to realize they could beat the Cowboys in the POs with a scrub backup.

Zeke is “generational”, if y’all want to call him that, behind a line made up of 1st round picks. When those guys get hurt, he’s less “generational”.

I’m opposed to paying a RB unless he wants to deal, or he’s actually generational. I’d be really opposed to paying a guy who takes on contact like Zeke does as well.

You don’t invest all those pics and money in the O-line, then overpay for a RB. You can go get another RB.

You **** sure don’t overpay an idiot you can’t count on to be on the field. And holding out after the BS he’s put his team through the last few years is just chicken****...

He’s got to show up by a certain date to qualify for his year of service time, then franchise him next year and send his dumb *** packing.


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[kevin01]

Good to see the new year post finally up. Let's go Cowboys.

[mjhaverkamp]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

The Rams paid Gurley, only to realize they could beat the Cowboys in the POs with a scrub backup.

Zeke is “generational”, if y’all want to call him that, behind a line made up of 1st round picks. When those guys get hurt, he’s less “generational”.

I’m opposed to paying a RB unless he wants to deal, or he’s actually generational. I’d be really opposed to paying a guy who takes on contact like Zeke does as well.

You don’t invest all those pics and money in the O-line, then overpay for a RB. You can go get another RB.

You **** sure don’t overpay an idiot you can’t count on to be on the field. And holding out after the BS he’s put his team through the last few years is just chicken****...

He’s got to show up by a certain date to qualify for his year of service time, then franchise him next year and send his dumb *** packing.


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He has two years left before he can be franchised, he missed 6 games because Goodell is an idiot, did you notice nothing has happened to Kraft or Tyreek Hill ? Something is way wrong there. All you have to do is listen to the football players and the coaches to find out if the runner matters, all of us arm chair GM's and the sports talk show host just think we know how to build or manage a football team. I will agree that if Dallas had a top 10 talent at QB they could get by with a lesser back, problem is Dak is maybe at the end of the top 15 or so, and he could make a big jump this year, I hope he does.

[Pedernal]

Originally Posted by mjhaverkamp

He has two years left before he can be franchised, he missed 6 games because Goodell is an idiot, did you notice nothing has happened to Kraft or Tyreek Hill ? Something is way wrong there. All you have to do is listen to the football players and the coaches to find out if the runner matters, all of us arm chair GM's and the sports talk show host just think we know how to build or manage a football team. I will agree that if Dallas had a top 10 talent at QB they could get by with a lesser back, problem is Dak is maybe at the end of the top 15 or so, and he could make a big jump this year, I hope he does.

I concur with the above. I would offer both Dak and Zeke heavily incentivized contracts with big money to be made if they perform to specified levels. I don't think either one of them should get huge guaranteed money.

GO COWBOYS GO!!

[GA Bowhunter]

I would tell Zeke that is under contract for the next two years already. He can do his job or hit the road.
Ask Demarco Murray how that worked out.

[Texas Grown]

Thank you Jason!




Go Cowboys!

[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by mjhaverkamp

He has two years left before he can be franchised, he missed 6 games because Goodell is an idiot, did you notice nothing has happened to Kraft or Tyreek Hill ? Something is way wrong there. All you have to do is listen to the football players and the coaches to find out if the runner matters, all of us arm chair GM's and the sports talk show host just think we know how to build or manage a football team. I will agree that if Dallas had a top 10 talent at QB they could get by with a lesser back, problem is Dak is maybe at the end of the top 15 or so, and he could make a big jump this year, I hope he does.

Don’t pay any attention to what they say, watch who they pay. Pretty sure he can be franchised next year.

QBs are harder to come by. You can find a RB without over paying, or over drafting, happens every year.

There’s nothing generational about Zeke. He’s a great back..IF he’s on the field, and the line is healthy.


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[Dale Moser]

If they’d taken Jalen Ramsey instead, we’d be talking about paying the best corner in the game over the last few years, and still have a really good running game...


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[Jcjohnson]

Originally Posted by GA Bowhunter

I would tell Zeke that is under contract for the next two years already. He can do his job or hit the road.
Ask Demarco Murray how that worked out.

Right...

[Edward F]

Originally Posted by GA Bowhunter

I would tell Zeke that is under contract for the next two years already. He can do his job or hit the road.
Ask Demarco Murray how that worked out.

Lol ask Dak how that worked out when Zeke was out for 6 games. Anybody could of ran behind that line when Murray was around. Dak is average at best, when Zeke is lined up in the backfield it’s keeps the defense honest. I think Zeke accounted for half of all the Cowboys scrimmage yards last year? I would pay Zeke, you can pick up a dink and dunk QB anywhere.

[Edward F]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Don’t pay any attention to what they say, watch who they pay. Pretty sure he can be franchised next year.

QBs are harder to come by. You can find a RB without over paying, or over drafting, happens every year.

There’s nothing generational about Zeke. He’s a great back..IF he’s on the field, and the line is healthy.


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Zeke had 2001 scrimmage yards, #2 in the league and that’s when the line was banged up.

[PBUCKSHOT]

2019 stacked up Defense has me PUMPED! Hoping for 82 to stay healthy until he hangs it up for good! Taking my boy for his first game this year. Thinking maybe the Peckers or Beagles in Dallas. Cant wait! PURO PINCHE COWBOYS!

[Jcjohnson]

Originally Posted by Edward F

Zeke had 2001 scrimmage yards, #2 in the league and that’s when the line was banged up.

He earned them yards too, most of them. RB position is easier to replace in today’s NFL.

[Passthrough]

They about to overpay for a mediocre quarterback!! That is gonna suck!! Zeke is a halfwit....but he’s more important to this offense than a halfarse quarterback!

[Smart]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

If they’d taken Jalen Ramsey instead, we’d be talking about paying the best corner in the game over the last few years, and still have a really good running game...


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Lmao... I knew that was coming..


He wasn’t exactly stellar last season either. Saw some pretty good receivers make him look ordinary.

I remember thinking glad we took Zeke more than a few times

[GA Bowhunter]

Originally Posted by Edward F

Lol ask Dak how that worked out when Zeke was out for 6 games. Anybody could of ran behind that line when Murray was around. Dak is average at best, when Zeke is lined up in the backfield it’s keeps the defense honest. I think Zeke accounted for half of all the Cowboys scrimmage yards last year? I would pay Zeke, you can pick up a dink and dunk QB anywhere.

I agree on Dak. That is why Dez fizzled. Romo could get Dez the ball. Dak could not.

As far as Zeke goes, check out LeVeon Bell's holdout replacement last season. He did bell's work for peanuts.

[mjhaverkamp]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Don’t pay any attention to what they say, watch who they pay. Pretty sure he can be franchised next year.

QBs are harder to come by. You can find a RB without over paying, or over drafting, happens every year.

There’s nothing generational about Zeke. He’s a great back..IF he’s on the field, and the line is healthy.


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LOL, Emmett did not matter either.

[GA Bowhunter]

Regarding Zeke:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...oney-he-wants/
Ezekiel Elliott Is Not Worth The Money He Wants

[Smart]

Originally Posted by mjhaverkamp

LOL, Emmett did not matter either.

It was a running league when Emmitt played

[Antlers86]

I’m ready for some football and cooler weather! Go Cowboys!!!!!

[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by mjhaverkamp

LOL, Emmett did not matter either.

He was the 3rd most important player on that offense...maybe 4th. Different time.

You don’t pay RBs in today’s NFL, it’s just not smart.


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[Smart]

Originally Posted by GA Bowhunter

Regarding Zeke:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...oney-he-wants/
Ezekiel Elliott Is Not Worth The Money He Wants

Great read... I'm as big an Ellliot fan as there is although his shenanigans in the news are wearing me thin on him.. I had no idea he was getting 9.1 mil next year which is around where I said above I'd offer him right now... with an extension. Reading that makes me want to not break the bank on him even more..

[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by Edward F

Zeke had 2001 scrimmage yards, #2 in the league and that’s when the line was banged up.

Still A LOT easier to replace than Dak...mediocre though he may be.

Just go look at the draft, and contract extensions every year....


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[Dale Moser]

It’s also worth remembering that whatever happens, Jason Garrett will be the head coach on opening day....so whatever.

“In Kellen Moore we trust!!”


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[Mexico]

In this year.... go Boyzz!

[sqiggy]

They won't even sniff the playoff's this year!!!

[Smart]

Originally Posted by sqiggy

They won't even sniff the playoff's this year!!!

well that took longer than I thought...

[Smart]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

“In Kellen Moore we trust!!”

I sure hope he surprises the hell out of us but I'm not banking on it. I am really excited to see what Kitna has done to Dak with footwork and everything else.

[mjhaverkamp]

Barring bad injuries the Cowboys will be really good this year, I may be crazy but I think Dak could have an MVP type year, but not without the services of the best **** running back in the NFL !!

[ttechdallas]

Originally Posted by GA Bowhunter

Regarding Zeke:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...oney-he-wants/
Ezekiel Elliott Is Not Worth The Money He Wants

I read this too and was surprised. Then I read/heard several NFL analysts totally shoot it down as there are far too many variables can't be factored in a statistical analysis. Play calling was singled out as a major flaw as Zeke was graded down significantly based on red zone carries. Linehan had a preference for passing in the red zone and the Cowboys red zone performance was less than stellar.

Zeke is a stud and easily the best offensive player on this team. He was the leading rusher in the NFL by 200+ yards and he didn't even play the final game of the season. He also did this behind and offensive line that gave up the 2nd most sacks in the NFL last season. I hope they pay the man.

[sqiggy]

Originally Posted by Smart

well that took longer than I thought...

Come on man, I'm a cowboy fan!!!
I knew that would get a rise out of ya.
But really, I think they will miss out this year. They seem to mess up when it really counts.

[mjhaverkamp]

Originally Posted by ttechdallas

i read this too and was surprised. Then i read/heard several nfl analysts totally shoot it down as there are far too many variables can't be factored in a statistical analysis. Play calling was singled out as a major flaw as zeke was graded down significantly based on red zone carries. Linehan had a preference for passing in the red zone and the cowboys red zone performance was less than stellar.

Zeke is a stud and easily the best offensive player on this team. He was the leading rusher in the nfl by 200+ yards and he didn't even play the final game of the season. He also did this behind and offensive line that gave up the 2nd most sacks in the nfl last season. I hope they pay the man.

exactly !!

[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by Smart

I sure hope he surprises the hell out of us but I'm not banking on it. I am really excited to see what Kitna has done to Dak with footwork and everything else.

Can’t be worse, can it?

I think Dak will improve a lot, and continue to do so, because he is a worker.


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[Smart]

Originally Posted by ttechdallas

He was the leading rusher in the NFL by 200+ yards and he didn't even play the final game of the season. He also did this behind and offensive line that gave up the 2nd most sacks in the NFL last season. I hope they pay the man.

That's a stretch to downplay the lines contribution for a rusher using QB sacks as a drive it home point...

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Can’t be worse, can it?

I think Dak will improve a lot, and continue to do so, because he is a worker.


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Nope..

I think so too....I think Kitna will be a big help. That being said...Show me! I'll eat crow Dakota!

[ttechdallas]

Originally Posted by Smart

That's a stretch to downplay the lines contribution for a rusher using QB sacks as a drive it home point...

They are not identical forms of comparison by any means, but let's face the facts. The mobile Dak was sacked 58 times last season, 11 more times than the much less than mobile Eli. So let's not pretend Zeke had stellar line play while the O-line took plays off when Dak threw the ball.

[Killer]

Come on guys that got to have Zeke to have any chance to win now. They need to pay him whatever it takes to get him signed now and playing. We want playoff wins and a super bowl. No chance without Zeke!

[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by ttechdallas

They are not identical forms of comparison by any means, but let's face the facts. The mobile Dak was sacked 58 times last season, 11 more times than the much less than mobile Eli. So let's not pretend Zeke had stellar line play while the O-line took plays off when Dak threw the ball.

They are not forms of comparison at all. Dak holds the ball and takes sacks, Eli gets rid of it...what happens after that doesn’t seem to concern him.


I’m not saying Zeke isn’t great, but the overwhelming odds say that he won’t be in 3 years, at which time all you guys would have him making ~13-15 million, while some 3rd rounder yet to be drafted is taking his snaps. You guys are not paying attention to the trends of the league!

He’s under contract for two more years, he can show up to work, or he can **** all the way off to buffalo or the jets.


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[Smart]

[Kurdawg]

Go cowboys!!

[Jcjohnson]

Just took a look at Dallas depth chart at RB. Will this work if zeke does sit out?

https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/DAL

[Smart]

https://twitter.com/clarencehilljr/s...768323584?s=21

[Jcjohnson]

Originally Posted by Smart

https://twitter.com/clarencehilljr/s...768323584?s=21

dime

[ATI]

EVERY YEAR, the media will lead the people to believe the Cowboys are a "Contender" and will continue to do so through the first 5-6 games of the season,,, then when they have a 4-4 (or a worse) record, they will try to blame it on one or two people and want Garrett's, the Offensive Coordinator or the Defensive Coordinator's head on a plate or a new ownership....
I'm personally tired of all the media Hoopla and BS talk... let's wait and see the first 6 games of the season....

I as a long time Cowboys fan am tired of being led to believe all that hoopla and I'm not as optimistic... There are a lot of good team who are keeping quiet and not making a big deal about their chances...


By the way.... F Zeke.

[mjhaverkamp]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

They are not forms of comparison at all. Dak holds the ball and takes sacks, Eli gets rid of it...what happens after that doesn’t seem to concern him.


I’m not saying Zeke isn’t great, but the overwhelming odds say that he won’t be in 3 years, at which time all you guys would have him making ~13-15 million, while some 3rd rounder yet to be drafted is taking his snaps. You guys are not paying attention to the trends of the league!

He’s under contract for two more years, he can show up to work, or he can **** all the way off to buffalo or the jets.


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We don't care how good he is in 3-4 years, the time is now, all they need to do is extend him and make it a 4 year deal, he is cheap compared to what Dak is going to get, and not too many feel Dak can succeed without Zeke.

[Smart]

Originally Posted by mjhaverkamp

We don't care how good he is in 3-4 years, the time is now, all they need to do is extend him and make it a 4 year deal, he is cheap compared to what Dak is going to get, and not too many feel Dak can succeed without Zeke.

All they need to do is extend him? And Dak and Amari and Jaylon and Jones and after resigning Lawrence?. They can’t afford them all at what they want ...and you want them to just break the bank on Zeke and pay what he’s asking?

[tdwinklr]

Originally Posted by Jcjohnson

Just took a look at Dallas depth chart at RB. Will this work if zeke does sit out?

https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/DAL

same scenario at QB ... no backups.