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Old 01-31-2019, 02:21 PM   #151
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Holy crap you have that scope pushed alllllllll the way in front lol

Looks like assuming got me as it usually does.
When your 6'10" that's where it needs to be.
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Old 01-31-2019, 02:33 PM   #152
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This is what it would be. Ya'll will have to decide if it's close enough.

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Old 01-31-2019, 02:35 PM   #153
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Robert, how much extra would it be to have the action cerakote to match the barrel.
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Old 01-31-2019, 02:41 PM   #154
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When your 6'10" that's where it needs to be.


Ha! That makes sense now!
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Old 01-31-2019, 02:47 PM   #155
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Robert, how much extra would it be to have the action cerakote to match the barrel.

Wasnt an option when I ordered
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Old 01-31-2019, 03:32 PM   #156
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Robert, how much extra would it be to have the action cerakote to match the barrel.
To match carbon fiber?
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Old 01-31-2019, 03:33 PM   #157
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Looks like there's some confusion with the bolt body and the action body. The action body should be cerakoted to match the small portions of the CF barrels (on the tier 1) - but the bolt body is already dlc coated...see below in Robert's original post

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Tier -1 Light Weight Carbon/Carbon build
Action – APR Hunter. DLC coated bolt and 20 MOA rail
Barrel – Proof Research Sendero profile. Threaded 5/8-24 with blended thread protector. You choose chamber, Bbl length, twist.
Stock – AG Composites Alpine Hunter. Stock will include bi-pod rail, 2 flush cups and inserts provided for Arca Rail adapter. You choose color/finish.
Bottom Metal – Gen 2 APR BDL(Black Hard Anodized)
Trigger – Trigger Tech Primary.
Cerakote – You choose color for action body and CF barrel tips.
Left-handed versions available
Price = $2,499 plus tax
Approx weight = 7lbs

Tier -2 Carbon/Steel build
Action – APR Gen 2. Full DLC finish and 20 MOA rail
Barrel – MullerWorks Cut-rifled Sendero profile. Threaded 5/8-24 with blended thread protector. You choose chamber, Bbl length, twist and fluting.
Stock – AG Composites Alpine Hunter. Stock will include bi-pod rail, 2 flush cups and inserts provided for Arca Rail adapter. You choose color/finish.
Bottom Metal – Gen 2 APR BDL(Black Hard Anodized)
Trigger – Trigger Tech Primary.
Cerakote – Action is DLC coated black. You choose barrel color.
Left-handed versions available
Price = $2,199 plus tax
Approx Weight = 8 lbs

Available Upgrades:
Trigger upgrades - TT Special +$55/TT Diamond +$140
Bottom Metal - Hawkins DBM w/ 5 rnd Accurate mag +$150
Muzzle Brakes - Area 419 Hellfire +$179/ Blended Radial +$125/ Blended and timed Gill +$150
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Old 01-31-2019, 03:44 PM   #158
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Might have missed this but I don't see any one saying they ordered 300 Win Mag. Any reason for this?
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Old 01-31-2019, 03:47 PM   #159
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Might have missed this but I don't see any one saying they ordered 300 Win Mag. Any reason for this?
Still working out my details, but 300WM is my plan.
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Old 01-31-2019, 03:48 PM   #160
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Looks like there's some confusion with the bolt body and the action body. The action body should be cerakoted to match the small portions of the CF barrels (on the tier 1) - but the bolt body is already dlc coated...see below in Robert's original post

No confusion, in the tier 2 it isnt an option.
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Old 01-31-2019, 03:48 PM   #161
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Might have missed this but I don't see any one saying they ordered 300 Win Mag. Any reason for this?
I'm trying to stay with the lightweight theme and a 300WM doesn't sound fun in a lightweight gun IMO.
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:09 PM   #162
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Does anyone know if the Hellfire brake can be cerakoted to match the other metal on the rifle? I see the brake is available in raw stainless from Area 419
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:26 PM   #163
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I'm trying to stay with the lightweight theme and a 300WM doesn't sound fun in a lightweight gun IMO.
Add the optional brake and it's no big deal at all. I have shot my buddies Christensen Ridgeline 300wm, and I have the same in 28 Nosler which weighs less than 7 lb and the recoil is not bad at all. To me those long range hammers are what a carbon fiber build is all about. I mean if it's light it's not a great bench gun it's meant to be packed up and down mountains or across rugged deserts where your going to want a long range hammer. If I was doing tier 1 it would be a 300wm, 7 rem mag, 28 Nosler, etc.

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Old 01-31-2019, 05:47 PM   #164
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Tier 1 7 mag on order black on black with AG sawtooth color stock
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Old 01-31-2019, 06:10 PM   #165
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Does anyone know if the Hellfire brake can be cerakoted to match the other metal on the rifle? I see the brake is available in raw stainless from Area 419
Ok, probably a good time to discuss finishes and their applications. To answer this first question....yes, it can be Cerakoted. Is it a good idea? probably not so much. Cerakote is a good, durable finish of course. But it will not hold a candle to hard anodizing on surfaces that are subjected to continued blast...like a brake. The other thing to consider is the added thickness cerakote brings to the table. This is not very desirable for something like the 419 that relies on really tight tolerances to achieve it's alignment.

Somebody also asked about cerakoting the G2 action earlier. Of course it can be done. But I would certainly weigh the benefits of doing it before making the decision. That entire action is completely DLC (or PVD if you prefer) coated. It was chosen because it is the pinnacle of finishes at this time. It offers cerakote like protection, but with much higher lubricity and only adds about .0002 thickness allowing us to achieve much more precise tolerances on the final product. It is a superior finish, which it why it was chosen. In the end, we'll do whatever you want us to do. Just want to make sure everyone has all the facts in order to make the best decision for themselves.
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Old 01-31-2019, 06:15 PM   #166
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Thank you for the details. I wasnt given that over the phone, just that it was already coated. Thank yall again for the opportunity at a great deal !!
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Old 01-31-2019, 06:38 PM   #167
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Thanks for all the info! And giving everyone such a great deal! I don't own anything from you yet but plan on getting in on this! Pretty set on a 300wm in tier 1 but also would like to get something a little smaller for the girlfriend and range time for me. Thinking 7mm-08 but everyone talking 6.5prc has me torn. Tier 1 as well. Then deciding on colors... decisions decisions.
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Old 01-31-2019, 06:54 PM   #168
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I've also ordered tier 1 in 300wm. 26" bbl. was planning on 28" but for the difference in velocity it wasn't worth the extra 2" since I will have an ultra 7 on the end. Animal on the other end won't notice the velocity difference. Should be enough for anything in North America at the distances I'm comfortable shooting
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Old 01-31-2019, 07:01 PM   #169
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[QUOTE=Stick1;13964860]To match carbon fiber?[/QUOTE

thanks for the info.

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Old 01-31-2019, 07:13 PM   #170
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I've also ordered tier 1 in 300wm. 26" bbl. was planning on 28" but for the difference in velocity it wasn't worth the extra 2" since I will have an ultra 7 on the end. Animal on the other end won't notice the velocity difference. Should be enough for anything in North America at the distances I'm comfortable shooting
I was thinking of trying to get the 300wm in 24" but may end up with the 26
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Old 01-31-2019, 07:15 PM   #171
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I don't mind a little longer pipe, especially for a magnum. Gives a little more room to burn the extra powder
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Old 01-31-2019, 07:16 PM   #172
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I’m going graphite black on both rigs.
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Old 01-31-2019, 07:27 PM   #173
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I don't mind a little longer pipe, especially for a magnum. Gives a little more room to burn the extra powder
My only reason for the 24 is for packing as it will be a hunting rifle. I hunt some pretty steep and deep stuff chasing elk and muleys. Figured it will be about 26 after the brake.
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Old 01-31-2019, 07:34 PM   #174
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My only reason for the 24 is for packing as it will be a hunting rifle. I hunt some pretty steep and deep stuff chasing elk and muleys. Figured it will be about 26 after the brake.
If you reload you might could use a little faster burning powder to make up the velocity difference.
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Old 01-31-2019, 07:35 PM   #175
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Add the optional brake and it's no big deal at all. I have shot my buddies Christensen Ridgeline 300wm, and I have the same in 28 Nosler which weighs less than 7 lb and the recoil is not bad at all. To me those long range hammers are what a carbon fiber build is all about. I mean if it's light it's not a great bench gun it's meant to be packed up and down mountains or across rugged deserts where your going to want a long range hammer. If I was doing tier 1 it would be a 300wm, 7 rem mag, 28 Nosler, etc.
Even 300 RUM is no problem with a good brake.

My 28 Nosler ultralight by APR weighs under 6 lbs and itís not excessive pushing 195 grain Bergers with the brake.
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Old 01-31-2019, 07:58 PM   #176
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Add the optional brake and it's no big deal at all. I have shot my buddies Christensen Ridgeline 300wm, and I have the same in 28 Nosler which weighs less than 7 lb and the recoil is not bad at all. To me those long range hammers are what a carbon fiber build is all about. I mean if it's light it's not a great bench gun it's meant to be packed up and down mountains or across rugged deserts where your going to want a long range hammer. If I was doing tier 1 it would be a 300wm, 7 rem mag, 28 Nosler, etc.

Thanks for the input. Iím thinking tier 1 in 300WM with the brake for a good all around big game mountain gun.
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Old 01-31-2019, 08:06 PM   #177
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If you reload you might could use a little faster burning powder to make up the velocity difference.
Decisions.... what twist rate did you go with?
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Old 01-31-2019, 08:18 PM   #178
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Decisions.... what twist rate did you go with?
Went with a 10 twist. Got it throated for the Berger 215s also. What are you thinking of going with?
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Went with a 10 twist. Got it throated for the Berger 215s also. What are you thinking of going with?
I'm torn there as well lol. Was kinda thinking of changing it up and going 9 or 9.4 but the 10 is also a good option. I'm no expert though.. wish I was. Maybe someone on here is and will point me in the right direction.
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For the 7mm-08 guys did you go 1-9 twist or something else?
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:32 PM   #181
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https://mannersstocks.com/color-and-finishes/

From the Elite Camo pattern which of these two. The Elite tactical swamp or Black forest.

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Old 01-31-2019, 09:54 PM   #182
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Might have missed this but I don't see any one saying they ordered 300 Win Mag. Any reason for this?
I ordered the 300 WM in the Tier 2 with a brake. Maybe Iíll tegret the extra pound but felt like the heavier gun will help with recoil and Iíll just have to make sure Iím in good shape when hiking with it.
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For the 7mm-08 guys did you go 1-9 twist or something else?
I went with 1:9. Still trying to decide if I want to jump in with the 20Ē bbl guys. I ordered a 22Ē but not sure there are 5 of us to satisfy the minimum order.
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I went with 1:9. Still trying to decide if I want to jump in with the 20Ē bbl guys. I ordered a 22Ē but not sure there are 5 of us to satisfy the minimum order.
Good chance I may be ordering the exact same as you. Figured if there wasnt enough I would jump to 20". Think I would rather that then 24
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I'm getting close to pulling the trigger. I'm going Tier 1, 7mm-08, 20" barrel. Still undecided on Cerakote and stock color. Also still thinking about twist, I'm going to shoot either the 140 or 150 Nosler Partition.
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I'm getting close to pulling the trigger. I'm going Tier 1, 7mm-08, 20" barrel. Still undecided on Cerakote and stock color. Also still thinking about twist, I'm going to shoot either the 140 or 150 Nosler Partition.


Iím sitting in the same boat with you.


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Old 02-01-2019, 10:50 AM   #187
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From the Elite Camo pattern which of these two. The Elite tactical swamp or Black forest.
nice but i dont think these are choices in our TBH builds
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Old 02-01-2019, 12:53 PM   #188
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Leaning towards 300WM but also considering 280AI. Any advantages or disadvantages of one over the other as a solid elk sized game round?
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Old 02-01-2019, 01:07 PM   #189
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nice but i dont think these are choices in our TBH builds

I am going with the pattern from Picture 2 from post #141 that Stick1 posted.

I'm just going to ask them to add sage green to the other two colors.


Now I am trying to decide which barrel color. I am between midnight bronze or graphite black with the ratchet fluting.
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Leaning towards 300WM but also considering 280AI. Any advantages or disadvantages of one over the other as a solid elk sized game round?
I was in the same boat. The differences are the 300wm can push heavier bullets a little faster because of the additional case capacity for powder.

The reasons I choose the 280AI was because I wanted a shorter barrel and the extra powder probably would be burnt anyway, I didn't want to deal with belted case of the 300wm when reloading, the 280AI has less recoil and it still carries enough speed and energy to kill elk out to 600 yards which is further than I would shoot and elk anyways.
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I was in the same boat. The differences are the 300wm can push heavier bullets a little faster because of the additional case capacity for powder.

The reasons I choose the 280AI was because I wanted a shorter barrel and the extra powder probably would be burnt anyway, I didn't want to deal with belted case of the 300wm when reloading, the 280AI has less recoil and it still carries enough speed and energy to kill elk out to 600 yards which is further than I would shoot and elk anyways.
Thanks for the info. How much shorter of a barrel did you go with on the 280AI?
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I'm going with a 24in 1:9 in 280AI.
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I was in the same boat. The differences are the 300wm can push heavier bullets a little faster because of the additional case capacity for powder.

The reasons I choose the 280AI was because I wanted a shorter barrel and the extra powder probably would be burnt anyway, I didn't want to deal with belted case of the 300wm when reloading, the 280AI has less recoil and it still carries enough speed and energy to kill elk out to 600 yards which is further than I would shoot and elk anyways.
Now how does this compare to 6.5saum?
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nice but i dont think these are choices in our TBH builds
Yes they are Buzz just checked w/Garrett
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Thanks for the info. How much shorter of a barrel did you go with on the 280AI?
I'm trying to get a 22" -8.4 twist on the 280AI but I can only get the 22" if 3 more people want a 22" 7mm barrel. If I can't get it then I will get a 24" with an 8.4 twist so I can shoot the 175 grain bullets for elk.
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Now how does this compare to 6.5saum?
I'm no expert by any means, but the saum's 300, 7mm and 6.5 all use the same case. The amount of powder and velocities are very similar to the 280AI. The limiting factor in the 6.5 is using lighter weight bullets around 140g. Plus I don't like the short fat cases which limits you to one less round when using a bdl bottom plate.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:36 PM   #197
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Yes they are Buzz just checked w/Garrett
Will they do any manners finish?

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Old 02-01-2019, 05:54 PM   #199
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dang one thing i would change would be to post pictures of ALL stock patterns/colors to choose from, not 1 million color combinations.
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They said yes.
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