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    #91
    Originally posted by KyleW View Post
    Looking at other QB's in the league means nothing if they aren't available. Those QB's you talk about, if they are good enough to lead the team to wins without any support, are not going to be easily obtained as the team they are on aren't going to be willing to give them up.

    I could see the argument for Russell Wilson, but who else?
    Look at the class of 2021 prospects. Lots of good QBs in the class. Look what Mayfield did this year when they finally got him a line. He wont go anywhere i know. Also look at Stafford and what he has. That team is terrible and does about as well as the Cowboys.

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      #92
      Originally posted by Dale Moser View Post
      Titans payed Henry 1/2 what Zeke got, and they weren’t trying to build the team around him. He’s also a better back than zeke, and they didn’t pay him before they had to.


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      to think they could have had derrick henry AND jalen ramsey in that draft....

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        #93
        isnt that about twice what Brady got?

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          #94
          Now he is a richer mediocre quarterback. You shouldn't pay superstar money to just good players.

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            #95
            Originally posted by bowaddict40 View Post
            Look at the class of 2021 prospects. Lots of good QBs in the class. Look what Mayfield did this year when they finally got him a line. He wont go anywhere i know. Also look at Stafford and what he has. That team is terrible and does about as well as the Cowboys.

            Prospects? Mayfield?

            Lol


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              #96
              i dont mind seeing players break the bank, good for them, but as a teammate i would rather see that money spread out to improve the team, esecially one with as many holes as dallas.

              and i realize there have only been a handful of guys over the years that have done that.

              dak was playing out of his mind this year before he got hurt, he is a top 7 qb easily, there arent any better choices realistically.

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                #97
                Originally posted by tfrye View Post
                I have read every comment on this thread with some enjoyment and also with a lot of questioning. This has kind of been said above, but here are my thoughts since yall asked (lol).

                1. Dak making this much money is equally if not more on the Jones for not paying him before other QB's got paid (Cousins, Wentz, Garoppolo, Mahomes, Goff, Wilson)
                2. Anytime a "franchise" QB gets paid, it's industry standard that the QB gets the new record breaking contract
                3. This is where people disagree, but like it or not Dak is a franchise QB out of his 4 full seasons he has been top 5 in QBR 3 of the 4 years
                4. Dak has strong leadership skills and players like to play for/with Dak, but no QB can win a Superbowl with a defense ranked outside the top 15 (look it up)
                5. The single biggest mistake was paying Zeke, without a strong line Zeke is barely above average and we all know the importance of a good line for the QB/RB position


                For those that say Dak is just average, I encourage you to look up stats because that is a crazy statement to me. I believe dak is somewhere in the 6th-10th rank for QB's in the NFL.
                Most sensible post in the entire thread. FOlks act like franchise QB's are there for the taking. They aren't. Statiscally speaking he is in the top ten of the NFL, granted he isn't top 5 or three or whatever, but he IS a good QB.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by tfrye View Post
                  I have read every comment on this thread with some enjoyment and also with a lot of questioning. This has kind of been said above, but here are my thoughts since yall asked (lol).

                  1. Dak making this much money is equally if not more on the Jones for not paying him before other QB's got paid (Cousins, Wentz, Garoppolo, Mahomes, Goff, Wilson)
                  2. Anytime a "franchise" QB gets paid, it's industry standard that the QB gets the new record breaking contract
                  3. This is where people disagree, but like it or not Dak is a franchise QB out of his 4 full seasons he has been top 5 in QBR 3 of the 4 years
                  4. Dak has strong leadership skills and players like to play for/with Dak, but no QB can win a Superbowl with a defense ranked outside the top 15 (look it up)
                  5. The single biggest mistake was paying Zeke, without a strong line Zeke is barely above average and we all know the importance of a good line for the QB/RB position


                  For those that say Dak is just average, I encourage you to look up stats because that is a crazy statement to me. I believe dak is somewhere in the 6th-10th rank for QB's in the NFL.
                  1 Maybe they were not sold on him then
                  2 Why did he not get 451 M
                  3 QBR did not translate into wins
                  4 He had top 15 defense in other years
                  5 Biggest mistake ? They have several

                  I think it was a good deal for both parties, Dak really got what was offered to him last year when you include last years franchise tag amount, add it all up and it is not far from the 5 year deal the Cowboys wanted in the first place. I hope they go against their beliefs and mortgage the future, extend players and get enough money to add free agents that make a difference, i think they might.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Rj Flores View Post
                    Exactly my point!! Thank you


                    But I don’t think you and I agree here.
                    This is a prime example of self censorship and describes exactly what’s happening here. People can’t even talk without someone throwing out some stupid comment about race. People are falling in the trap and don’t even know it. Being conditioned every day

                    Communist Tactics to Force Self-Censorship Sweeping America

                    While many Americans worry about ever-increasing censorship, those responsible for it have managed to amplify its effects by creating a climate of self-censorship.

                    Due to the psychological mechanisms of self-censorship, a single account blocked, a single video deleted, or a book banned can result in a broad chilling of speech. Important policy debates don’t occur, news story ideas aren’t pitched to editors, and books aren’t accepted for publishing, or written to begin with.

                    In some cases, it appears the censors employ the psychological tricks on purpose, achieving maximum suppression with minimal responsibility. These methods aren’t new—in fact, they have long been employed by totalitarian regimes.

                    The principle of self-censorship is that people, just to be on the safe side, refrain from saying even things that aren’t outright banned by some applicable rules.

                    An example is the effect of the Johnson Amendment, a law that prohibits tax-exempt nonprofits, including religious organizations, from endorsing or opposing political candidates. Even though the law doesn’t prohibit discussion of political topics and stands virtually unenforced, opponents have long argued that pastors have avoided political topics in their sermons just to be sure they can’t be accused of running afoul of the law.

                    Here are a number of methods used to enhance self-censorship.

                    Vague Rules

                    The Chinese Communist Party (CCP), the world’s most notorious censor of free speech, has for decades used the method of making its policies intentionally vague. During its past political campaigns, for example, the central leadership would issue a decree that “rightists” and “counterrevolutionaries” were to be punished. The next lower rung of Party officials wouldn’t be told what exactly makes one a “rightist” or a “counterrevolutionary” and perhaps not even what the punishment should be. No official, however, would want to be seen as too lenient—that would carry the risk of being labeled oneself. As such, each successive level of bureaucracy would intensify its interpretation of the policy, leading to ever more extreme results. In some periods, the hysteria went far beyond self-censorship, as even refraining from political speech wasn’t enough.

                    “During the Cultural Revolution, … people couldn’t buy food in canteens if they didn’t recite a quotation or make a greeting to Mao [Zedong]. When shopping, riding the bus, or even making a phone call, one had to recite one of Mao’s quotations, even if it was totally irrelevant. In these rituals of worship, people were either fanatical or cynical,” the “Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party” states.

                    In contemporary China, dissidents are often targeted for “subverting the state” or “spreading rumors.” The regime has proven that virtually any political statement can be subsumed under one of these charges.

                    The method appears to now be in play in contemporary America.

                    Amazon recently updated its policies to ban books that contain “hate speech,” without explaining what it considers as such. Since Amazon controls more than 80 percent of the book retail market, publishers are left to guess whether a book may get the “hate speech” label and thus be much less profitable to publish.

                    Roger Kimball, the publisher of Encounter Books and an Epoch Times contributor, said he so far hasn’t considered avoiding titles that may be targeted by Amazon, but he called it “a very worrisome harbinger.”

                    “It is possible that other publishers will do that,” he told The Epoch Times. “Certainly, I think that the atmosphere for opinion is much narrower now than it was in the past.”

                    He gave the example of Simon & Schuster, a publishing powerhouse that recently canceled its publishing of the book of Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) due to Hawley’s questioning the integrity of the 2020 presidential election.

                    If publishers bow to Amazon, authors may go even further, altogether avoiding topics that may spook the publishers.

                    Other tech platforms such as Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter usually provide some definition of hate speech and other content rules, but have acknowledged that they intentionally keep at least part of their policies secret to prevent people from circumventing them. The effect is that users try to guess the boundaries of censorship themselves.

                    Those who invested great efforts to build their online followings are likely to adopt especially stringent self-censorship, as they have the most to lose. YouTube, for example, bans any content that says the 2020 election result was affected by fraud. The policy seems relatively clear, yet it appears to have nudged YouTube personalities to avoid the topic of election integrity altogether, just to be on the safe side.

                    Perception of Random Targeting

                    Another method to induce self-censorship is selective enforcement. During the CCP’s past political campaigns, it would pick targets for persecution seemingly at random. Even the targets wouldn’t necessarily know what exactly had brought the Party’s wrath upon them. In response, people would scramble to make sense of the situation, drawing red lines of self-censorship based on guesswork.

                    Elements of this method can be seen in various settings in the West.

                    When Amazon recently banned a book that criticizes transgender ideology, published by Encounter Books in 2018, it didn’t explain why. Instead, Amazon quietly updated its book policies on hate speech. It then left it to the public to connect the dots and label the book as hate speech themselves.

                    Similarly, other tech platforms commonly refuse to comment on specific cases of censorship or even tell the accused what exactly they did wrong.

                    This method can also work through changes and exceptions to the rules. The CCP has been notorious for constantly changing its policies. Allies of the revolution of yesterday found themselves enemies of the Party today, but could expect to be called upon to cooperate with the Party tomorrow. Hence came the saying, “Party policy is like the moon, it changes every 15 days.” People have found themselves in a position of constantly trying to figure out how to be in alignment with what the Party is currently saying and even anticipating what the Party might say next and preemptively avoid saying anything that might be deemed problematic in the future.

                    The tech platforms of today openly acknowledge that their content policies are a work in progress. Over the years, new rules have been repeatedly added and are usually applied retrospectively. Thus, content that was acceptable yesterday may get banned and removed today. More restrictions can be expected tomorrow, or the companies may reverse themselves on some issues.

                    Rules can also be bent for political convenience. Facebook, for example, considers verbal attacks on people based on their race, sex, or sexual proclivities to be hate speech. But its contracted moderators were informed in 2018 that for a period of time, attacks on straight white males would be exempted as long as they were “intended to raise awareness for Pride/LGBTQ,” an internal memo said.

                    Guilt by Denial

                    Another method is using denial or resistance as evidence of guilt.

                    In current progressive ideologies, denying that one is racist or has “white privilege” counts as a confirmation of the charges. In fact, any resistance to the ideology and its labels is often labeled as “white fragility” or “internalized oppression” and thus illegitimate. Leaving no room for rightful criticism, the ideology discourages debate. Rather than deal with the grief of being pejoratively labeled, many keep their objections to themselves.

                    Jodi Shaw, a former student support coordinator at Smith College, an elite women’s college, recently left her job over what she described as a “dehumanizing” environment.

                    In 2018, the liberal arts institution put in place a number of initiatives to fight “systemic racism” at the school. Yet the efforts didn’t sit right with her, Shaw told The Epoch Times in a phone call.

                    She was instructed to treat people differently based on their race and sex, which in practice meant projecting onto people one’s own stereotypes, she said.

                    She said it felt fake.

                    “There’s a script for white people and a script for people who aren’t white. And it felt like you kind of had to stay on the script,” she said.

                    It was clear to her that there was no room for disagreement or even doubt.

                    “You just cannot talk about it out loud,” she said. “You can’t express your doubt out loud.”

                    A staunch liberal, she tried to get along with the program, telling herself it’s just being done “to help.”

                    When the doubts persevered, she even questioned her own morality.

                    “Does that mean I’m racist?” she asked herself.

                    “I think a lot of people on the left have this issue where they feel a little confused. They feel like something doesn’t feel right, but I’m not supposed to think that something’s not right,” she said.

                    The staffers in her department were “true believers,” she said, but she talked to seven or eight people from other departments who privately shared her concerns.

                    “Whispers, you know, in hallways and stuff, alone, they’re like, ‘Yeah, this is just like, something’s really messed up about this,’” she said.

                    Ultimately, she concluded that there was no “inner racist” talking, it was her conscience, and the ideology was just messing with her psyche.

                    “It’s how this ideology works. It gets into your head, and I think it’s damaging,” she said.

                    Guilt by Association

                    Another way to impose self-censorship is extending blame beyond the target to anybody even tenuously associated with it.

                    Totalitarian regimes have long used this tactic, punishing family, friends, colleagues, supervisors, and other associates of dissidents.

                    Examples of guilt by association are common today. Media, universities, and other institutions willing to host speakers from another political camp are criticized for “giving a platform” to “hate” or some other pejorative. Anybody uttering a word of support for one of the censored figures can expect to be targeted next.

                    When Shaw started to talk about her concerns publicly, she found that the Smith staffers who privately agreed with her suddenly became unavailable.

                    “The fear of guilt by association is so terrifying that people—they won’t even text me,” she said.

                    That not only induces self-censorship in one’s circle but also further isolates the target.

                    “You get isolated, and you’re not able to talk it through with somebody else and determine that, yes, indeed there’s something wrong,” Shaw said.

                    Kari Lake, former news anchor at Fox 10 in Arizona, faced criticism for merely setting up an account on alternative social media sites Parler and Gab. The critics argued that she was guilty by association, since Parler and Gab had been labeled as a favorite platform of “Nazis.”

                    While the attacks never made Lake question her beliefs, it did prompt her to self-censor, she told The Epoch Times in a phone call.

                    “I actually find myself not posting stories that are just factual because I’m like: ‘Oh, just posting that, even though it’s true, might anger some people. It might just get the left mad and I don’t want to, you know, kick the hornet’s nest,’” she said.

                    It’s been especially disheartening for Lake to see censorship endorsed by many fellow journalists.

                    “They’re just fine with it, and it saddens me,” she said.

                    She’d like to see more diversity of viewpoints among journalists, estimating that most in the profession lean left. Even the few conservative ones she knows are “very, very closeted about it.”

                    “The people I know might even act or pitch stories that might appear left-leaning to kind of show people, ‘look, I’m not conservative,’” she said.

                    A few weeks ago, Lake quit her job.

                    “I realized, well, I’m part of that. I’m part of this system. I’m part of the media, and if I don’t like it and I can’t do anything to change it, then I need to get out,” she said.

                    Solution

                    Censorship in America is peculiar in its form as it’s largely not the doing of the government. It’s not even necessarily the result of government pressure, though that now seems to be underway as well. Rather, it’s based on actors both in and out of government across the American society aligning with an ideology that’s totalitarian at its root.

                    It’s unlikely that Americans can rely on somebody pushing against the ideology from the top. In fact, the ideology appears to now be endorsed by a majority of the government.

                    Yet it may be that government measures wouldn’t offer a solution as long as a significant share of the population still subscribes to the ideology or is willing to go along with it.

                    As Judge Learned Hand said in his 1944 speech “The Spirit of Liberty”:

                    “Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it.”

                    It appears Americans’ stand is now to rekindle that spark of liberty in the hearts of their peers.


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                        Originally posted by chwoodall View Post
                        You're right, everything revolves around money.. but that's not my point.

                        I'd wager a majority of folks on this board have some type of job or skillset that actually matters and benefits society in some ways, or is outright necessary to the community. I'm just a regular plant worker, but in reality my job is much more important than throwing a football. Nobody gives a crap about what we all do, because it's not entertaining, yet they would be highly upset without us getting up and going to work every day. Most of these players, as soon as someone notices them, are whisked away and given handout after handout, passed in school without actually doing the work, given grades instead of earning them, etc. Then they hand them 40 million dollars to parade around a field, yet that's still not enough. A lot still want to play victim, and now have brought politics into it and continue to ruin the pro sports scene for a lot of avid viewers and fans.

                        People don't go to the games for the players, they go to get away and enjoy the outing watching a game they like. These players don't do anything individually to contribute to society, only the game as a whole does in terms of providing a big economical impact in many ways, and generating jobs... And the players will be the downfall of it because they can't keep their BS off the field.

                        Nothing to do with jealousy, I just don't think they deserve or are worth obscene amounts of money. Especially when as soon as they get a reality check and are no longer an NFL player or whatever, something like 70% of them are broke in a short amount of time.

                        Apologies to OP for the fork in the thread!

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                        George Strait is worth $300,000,000. If you dived that by 50 years that's $6 mil a year. I guess you think he runs around like a monkey strumming a guitar?
                        What about Kevin Costner, Blake Shelton, Gaga.....? It's the entertainment business and obviously there's a place in our democracy for it or it wouldn't exist.
                        People earn what other people think they are worth regardless of their skill set.
                        Don't be a hater. It's capitalism.

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                          Originally posted by bakin7005 View Post
                          George Strait is worth $300,000,000. If you dived that by 50 years that's $6 mil a year. I guess you think he runs around like a monkey strumming a guitar?
                          What about Kevin Costner, Blake Shelton, Gaga.....? It's the entertainment business and obviously there's a place in our democracy for it or it wouldn't exist.
                          People earn what other people think they are worth regardless of their skill set.
                          Don't be a hater. It's capitalism.

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                          Again, not being a hater.. and I'm all for capitalism. I happen to be a firearms dealer on the side and know all about what chit is worth and what people will pay particularly during a time like this.

                          I also stopped selling ball 9mm when I couldn't make a buck selling it for 14/box. Some people apparently think it's okay to rape the public for 1.00/a round when it's readily available for well under 50cpr... People will pay it just like they will continue to write the paychecks of some arrogant football player who won't stand or be on the field for the national anthem, that's their prerogative, and as you said, capitalism at its finest.

                          I stand by my principals.. I don't think it's worth anymore than that, just like I think the people who make more than anyone in this country for pure entertainment purposes deserve what they get, but I'm also not running an organization to try and stop it all either.

                          People are paid vs their "value", I just disagree that the value of a teacher is 50k and a moron with a football is 40 million, that's all. But that's America, so so be it. I am not contributing to their paychecks. My personal feelings obviously won't change anything but I'm not hurting anyone voicing my opinion..

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                            He is trash. But he should be motivation to all of us. That as an average freaking Joe (not even top 50%) of your oxcupation, you too can get CEO money!

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                              Originally posted by bobby314 View Post
                              He is trash. But he should be motivation to all of us. That as an average freaking Joe (not even top 50%) of your oxcupation, you too can get CEO money!
                              Dumb

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                                1# Nothing gayer than pocket watching another man.
                                2# You can tell this place has gone to hell. THE WOKE CREW has arrived and has gotten butt hurt.

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