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Originally posted by tvc184 View PostHiring about 2 million new federal correctional officers would be a great jobs program…. not to mention potentially millions of temporary construction jobs to build thousands of new prisons.
Maybe this whole thing is just the latest stimulus package.
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Originally posted by kyle1974 View PostKind of like there’s no national gun registry but somehow the ATF can easily find people and ask them about specific guns they bought
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New ATF Pistol Brace Ruling
Originally posted by tvc184 View PostEvery person should know that there is a record if you walk into Academy, complete a 4473 and walk out with a firearm. That isn’t new or hidden.
Seems like everyone knows they’re keeping tabs on every new gun sale except them.
They are 100% keeping this information in a database. Why won’t they just admit it? All the info is given when Calling in for a background check. There’s no way they type that info in and don’t keep it in a database where data can be sorted by whatever field they would like to see.
County, city, state, social…. I'm sure we've all seen the videos of ATF agents "just checking" at several person's homes. How does that fit in to #3? unless whatever they would like to check is a criminal investigation now. especially ghost gun home made SBRs
arguments aside, I'm not sure what to do. destroy my guns, apply for the permit which multiple lawyers are advising both for and against, or just do nothing and hope it's over tunred like the bump stock ban.
one thing is for certain, the ATF is about as trustworthy as a drug addict selling clean used needles in the ghetto
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLast edited by kyle1974; 01-23-2023, 09:03 AM.
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Originally posted by kyle1974 View PostSeems like everyone knows they’re keeping tabs on every new gun sale except them.
They are 100% keeping this information in a database. Why won’t they just admit it? All the info is given when Calling in for a background check. There’s no way they type that info in and don’t keep it in a database where data can be sorted by whatever field they would like to see.
County, city, state, social…. I'm sure we've all seen the videos of ATF agents "just checking" at several person's homes. How does that fit in to #3? unless whatever they would like to check is a criminal investigation now. especially ghost gun home made SBRs
arguments aside, I'm not sure what to do. destroy my guns, apply for the permit which multiple lawyers are advising both for and against, or just do nothing and hope it's over tunred like the bump stock ban.
one thing is for certain, the ATF is about as trustworthy as a drug addict selling clean used needles in the ghetto
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They have admitted it in Congressional hearings. They are getting away with it because they claim it isn't searchable.
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Originally posted by Clay C View PostThey have admitted it in Congressional hearings. They are getting away with it because they claim it isn't searchable.
LOL. i have been working with databases for almost 20 years. It’s laughable for them to suggest ANY database doesn’t have a “search” feature.
At a minimum they can export the data to excel and search easily.
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Originally posted by kyle1974 View PostLOL. i have been working with databases for almost 20 years. It’s laughable for them to suggest ANY database doesn’t have a “search” feature.
At a minimum they can export the data to excel and search easily.
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Originally posted by duckmanep View Postwhat kind of information is in this database and how is it reported?
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Good question.
How much information does the government have on you, me or anyone else? They probably know more about us than we do about ourselves.
are you suggesting the government doesn't know what a database is, and they take in all this information and just hit the delete key after they hang the phone up?
or are you suggesting because I can't post a screenshot to whatever database the ATF keeps on these items that it doesn't exist?Last edited by kyle1974; 01-23-2023, 11:42 AM.
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Originally posted by Artos View PostIF it is searchable, then they only know if the transferee acquired a pistol, long gun or other / receiver as that is the 411 FFL's give to NICS...they would need seize the entire 4473 to know the make, model & SN.
Most 4473's where a LTC was given are not reported to NICS.
When a background check is called in, don’t they give the serial number of the gun along with the purchaser’s info? (SS #, DL #, etc)
last gun I bought; I could have sworn I heard the salesman giving them that info.Last edited by kyle1974; 01-23-2023, 11:33 AM.
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Originally posted by kyle1974 View PostWhen a background check is called in, don’t they give the serial number of the gun along with the purchaser’s info? (SS #, DL #, etc)
last gun I bought; I could have sworn I heard the salesman giving them that info.
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