African safari disaster

[TexKing]

First, full disclosure, I have known lammie for years, consider him a good friend, have referred him countless times, and have never heard an ill word about him, or Dare to Bowhunt. I just heard this for the first time and have not discussed it with him.

Second, I really hate this happened, and would be extremely ****** also...I do not know what I would do in your position, but not sure I would take advice from any of us! I was recently on a hunt in a different country, that had a slightly similar issue, and the two parties came to a compromise.

I would be hesitant to 'blast it out on social media,' because as you mentioned, thats not the way men handle a bad situation, and it also could work against you. If he was a scammer, which he certainly is not, you could always just suggest someone contact you before booking. Either way, I really hate that this happened, and I expect Lammie will do what's right.

[Stolle]

First, full disclosure, I have known lammie for years, consider him a good friend, have referred him countless times, and have never heard an ill word about him, or Dare to Bowhunt. I just heard this for the first time and have not discussed it with him.

Second, I really hate this happened, and would be extremely ****** also...I do not know what I would do in your position, but not sure I would take advice from any of us! I was recently on a hunt in a different country, that had a slightly similar issue, and the two parties came to a compromise.

I would be hesitant to 'blast it out on social media,' because as you mentioned, thats not the way men handle a bad situation, and it also could work against you. If he was a scammer, which he certainly is not, you could always just suggest someone contact you before booking. Either way, I really hate that this happened, and I expect Lammie will do what's right.

I don't know the guy, but he sounds like a scammer to me. Allowing guests to show up to unfinished camp with no running water???? He should be ashamed of himself if this is true. Maybe you can talk with him and get him to tell his side of the story on here.

[TexasTealHunter]

You should sue him. If what you are saying happened I don't see why you wouldn't.

[TildenHunter]

An attorney would love to represent you.....the "outfitter" doesn't stand a chance if you have multiple people backing your side of the story.

[red-fin]

Crazy

First, full disclosure, I have known lammie for years, consider him a good friend, have referred him countless times, and have never heard an ill word about him, or Dare to Bowhunt. I just heard this for the first time and have not discussed it with him.

Second, I really hate this happened, and would be extremely ****** also...I do not know what I would do in your position, but not sure I would take advice from any of us! I was recently on a hunt in a different country, that had a slightly similar issue, and the two parties came to a compromise.

I would be hesitant to 'blast it out on social media,' because as you mentioned, thats not the way men handle a bad situation, and it also could work against you. If he was a scammer, which he certainly is not, you could always just suggest someone contact you before booking. Either way, I really hate that this happened, and I expect Lammie will do what's right.

I guess I will text Lammie and ask him if he cares to comment on this. It really doesn't seem like something he would do at all. Hopefully he will shed some light on this "CLAIM" against him. I still say he is a stand up guy and something is not right here.

The crazy part to me is that someone or anyone can post "I got a bad deal" on here and that's it 100% the guy that did it is a criminal. Tried, convicted, and hung all in 3 pages. I have never heard another bad word, report anything about Lammie or his operation. Don't the "scammers" typically get some negative feedback somewhere along the way? Y'all think ya got lucky and caught this "scammer" the first time he changed from good guy to world renowned criminal? Geez. Just because Lammie isn't an active TBH member and may not know or care to come on here and defend himself doesn't mean he is guilty.

Another thing that someone has already pointed out is who has ever left Africa without being paid in full? I sure didn't.

[Black_foot_]

Finally got bit. 6 months ago I put a post on here asking for outfitter recommendations for a SA bow hunt, several people recommended Dare To Bow Hunt so I figured that would be a good place to start. I did some more research on the outfit and couldn’t find a bad word about it so I contacted the owner of the outfit (Lammie). Lammie and I spoke on the phone for several minutes in regards to what animals I wanted to hunt and he informed me that he had two areas to hunt one of which being in Zululand and the other further north in Kimberly. Lammie felt strongly that the zululand location would be the one for us so that’s the one we booked. Pictures on the website and ones he sent of the lodging, property, and animals were beautiful and I couldn’t have been more happy at that time.

Fast forward to last month a couple weeks prior to us leaving and I get a call from Lammie wanting to meet up in person. This was convenient as he lives in Texas so we decided to meet in college station. Our hunting group and myself walk into the meeting with Lammie and he handed some paperwork out to each one of us outlining the hunt and what it would intel. I start reading the paperwork and notice that the hunt package is now for the Kimberly location. Obviously I thought he had just handed us the wrong paperwork so I stopped and brought that up. Lammie than proceeds to tell us that it would be better if we went to the Kimberly location as the animals are bigger and there are more options..... funny as it’s the exact opposite of what he told me in our original conversation when he sold me on the Zululand location. We hear his side of the story and run some numbers, for the animals we wanted to shoot it was going to nearly double in cost by going to the Kimberly location so we decided we would just rather stick to the original hunt that we paid for.

Immediately I could tell Lammie was put off by this and his attitude changed negative very quickly. We left the meeting and he sent me a text on the way home basically scolding me for wanting to go against his wishes and assured us that he was only trying to do what is best for us. At this point the price change alone didn’t make it an option as a couple of the guys going were on a tight budget.

Fast forward again, we step off the plane in Africa and a stranger meets us, he said he would be our PH and would be taking care of us for the week (red flags everywhere at this point) we go ahead and play along and hop in the car with him and ride to the location. Couple hours of talking to the PH and I knew he was a good guy, very nice and actually enjoyed his company more than Lammie’s.

We roll into the hunting property and I’m trying to pick his brain about the situation without him knowing what I was doing. Asking about the property size, animals, lodging etc. First thing he tells me is the size of the property, it’s less than 1/2 of what we booked in the original package(again red flags all over). Secondly are the animals, animals we had paid for in our package didn’t even exist in these ranches!! Not even an option to hunt them as they don’t have any! I’m extremely unhappy at this point as I have been lied to directly to my face several times. We roll into the lodge and I kid you not it is under construction, contractors setting trusses when we drive up. Our PH hops out and says here it is and points to two very small cabins down the hill a ways. These cabins are a far stretch from what was pictured on the website.




Trying to make the best out of a bad situation we play along not wanting something small like living quarters ruin our trip. At this point we are on our 3rd day without a shower as we flew for two days. I go into the room and turn on the water..... none. No water for the next two days as we wait for plumbers to fix the issues. Turns out we were the first people to stay in those cabins and they just finished them up hours prior to us driving up. Literally fresh paint on the walls. The lodge literally has no roof and is just open trusses, no kitchen to cook, washer or dryer, or WiFi as promised by lammie. (WiFi is a big deal to me as I have to be able to respond to business emails)

Trying to make the best of it we get our hunting stuff on and head to the blinds. On the way out to the blinds the PH spills the beans and tells me that Lammie SOLD his Zululand location last year!!!! Now it is all making sense and it’s becoming clear that we were intentionally lied to and sold something that no longer existed! A real FYRE fest situation. We hunt for a couple days and each kill a few animals, still unhappy with the situation, but doing our best to not let it ruin the experience. Our original hunt package stated that cull animal (female warthogs and impalas) could be shot at $75 each. Awesome, we are all shooting a bunch of them, about 4 days into the hunt our PH informs us that the cull animals are actually $160 in this area..... I express to him that lammie said they were $75 and he responds that he can’t do it for that price because those prices were for Lammie’s area.... again, another lie and frankly an issue he needs to take up with lammie. We get through the week and make it back to Texas.

I step off the plane in Austin and send lammie a text outlining the hunt and expressing my disappointment with him and his communication of the situation. Lammie responds with a final invoice for the animals, all the prices have changed from the original list. ***Now it’s important to understand that the lodging situation as well as the price increases would not have big deal had he just come out and told us about the actual situation “hey guys I sold that location so if y’all still wanna go there here is what that will look like and here is the new pricing for the animals” that is all he had to say and we would have been more than understanding of the situation. Unfortunately that’s not what happened. At this point I’m more ****** at the principle of the issues than the actual issues themselves. I send him a text and tell him that I would like to see the cull animals be priced as originally agreed upon and would also like him to think about what an acceptable discount for the lack of lodging would be. He reply’s and goes straight to lawyers.... in a nutshell he said If you don’t pay I’ll take you to court and you will never see your animals....

I’m dumbfounded at this point and reply trying to ease the tensions and assure him that I’m wanting to pay, but I don’t feel as if we should be paying full price. Again, he plays hard ball and throws the lawsuit out there. This goes back and forth for a day or so and we have finally reached a dead end road. He won’t budge and I refuse to be screwed over more than I already have by this man. I don’t want to get lawyers involved, just wanna handle it like men, unfortunately he isn’t giving me an option. Am I out of line here?

[LennyWayne]

I just went to this FB site....is that you posing with the Warthog and suppressed rifle? If it is you, did you know that your picture is being displayed?

[257]

Been there done that. I only hunt with Quagga safaris now, always exact on what you sign up for.

[sotx]

Tell him to pound sand. Frame your pictures hand them on your walls, its the memory of the hunt more than the mounts.

[SaintBlaise]

I would only pay for what you were promised, but not a dime until you receive the correct invoice. If you pay part of his inflated invoice, you may legally be accepting the bill as is.

I hope you blow this guy up on facebook.

[breadman]

he needs a GOOD`OLE BOY visit.

[RiverRat1]

I guess I will text Lammie and ask him if he cares to comment on this. It really doesn't seem like something he would do at all. Hopefully he will shed some light on this "CLAIM" against him. I still say he is a stand up guy and something is not right here.

The crazy part to me is that someone or anyone can post "I got a bad deal" on here and that's it 100% the guy that did it is a criminal. Tried, convicted, and hung all in 3 pages. I have never heard another bad word, report anything about Lammie or his operation. Don't the "scammers" typically get some negative feedback somewhere along the way? Y'all think ya got lucky and caught this "scammer" the first time he changed from good guy to world renowned criminal? Geez. Just because Lammie isn't an active TBH member and may not know or care to come on here and defend himself doesn't mean he is guilty.

Another thing that someone has already pointed out is who has ever left Africa without being paid in full? I sure didn't.

I do not know the op or outfitter. But I noticed this also. And also noticed the person claiming the other is a fraud will not post the agreement. Super easy to prove who's right in this case.

But the guys who all assume the OP is correct in everything amaze me also.

[Chief]

Hate to see everybody piling on ready to get the rope and hang a man when they have only heard one side of a story.....from somebody that probably don’t even know....

As stated earlier, me and 2 other buddies went and hunted with Lammie for the first time last year and had an incredible experience and would have recommend his outfit to anybody.

Is it possible that when you met up with him to discuss the trip in Texas that he tried to let you know what was going on with the zululand hunting. Sounded like from what you had said that he tried to talk you into going to the Kimberly area for a better experience and better animals. I know that you said that that would have possibly put the hunt out of your budget. I can see it being easy for somebody that is very excited about going to Africa to hunt to put some blinders on and make compromises to make the trip happen.


Also for the people that had commented on not paying the full tab before leaving back to the states. We did the same thing. At the end of our hunt he had given us and invoice for the package that we hunted off of with the additional animals that we added and payed them once we got back to the states.




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[Hookset]

Negative. I wouldn't pay jack until I knew for sure that my animals were being taken care of properly and being shipped to me. See ya in court buddy and we will have the Judge decide what is owed and request that the Court order al animals be taken care of and shipped according to industry standard as a condition of any payment being rendered.

What Lawhunter said........

[RR 314]

An attorney would love to represent you.....the "outfitter" doesn't stand a chance if you have multiple people backing your side of the story.

Attorneys like cases with people in neck braces. Any representation in this matter would be on an hourly basis and there is no neck brace involved.