Armed forces suicide..

[gingib]

Agreed! Well said

Different generation of males and "men" now

Our world is a joke

[Geezy Rider]

I am specifically talking about Combat MOS Soldiers and Marines just like in my post. They do not get any real world skill like you are talking about. Trigger pullers, about 20 percent of the Army and Marine Corp. The rest of the service is getting skills. Field Artillery, Infantry, and Armor are not real world skills.

Let’s see, my options getting out were mercenary, hit man, janitor. I chose instead to go to school and get a job working on airplanes. The best things I got from the army was discipline, a commitment to duty, a sense of honor and respect and the GI bill.

Think it is a function of Maslow's (think that is right) Hierarchy of Needs. That farther away we get from having to worry about food and shelter, or basically the more comfortable we get, the softer we get. A few generations of having to worry about those things again and we would move back in the other direction.

Very good. Veritas!

[Katsaregood]

One of the biggest factors IMO that is never talked about especially for Combat MOS Soldiers and Marines is the transition to civilian life.

You have zero workforce skills, killing people is not a job skill. You basically put your life on hold while those that went to college or learned a trade advanced.

Most civilian employers are not going to take a chance on you regardless of your "leadership" abilities if you don't have the direct experience they are looking for.

Everyone loves a vet until its time to hire one.

Going from a "hero" a warrior with the gravest responsibility, to kill for ones country to flipping burgers or making some *******s coffee at Starbucks is beyond depressing. I got to deliver Pizzas. Try going from a ****ing warrior to "hey this isnt what I ordered ******* go get me some extra pepperoni like I told the girl on the phone".

Guys that are married often have their wives leave and take their kids with them when they find out the guys that didn't enlist now have a degree or have moved up in their jobs and can provide stability.

You are lied to and told that the civilian population holds you upon high and that companies cant wait to hire you. BULL ****!!! Not saying this is everyone but this is most employers.

My last surviving uncle came back from Vietnam a totally different man just like most anyone else. He drank heavily to try and deaden his emotions and scars. All the bodies in body bags he helped carry and stack in the landing craft he piloted made the war experience all that much more horrible. I remember him saying last year that trying to adjust to civilian life was extremely hard. He cried a lot as the recent war flashbacks played over and over in his head not long after making it back to the states. There were many stories told which he said are not in history books. His refusal to obey superiors appears to be what kept him alive. He was punished by being ordered to go below in the belly of the hot ship and remain there.

What got him in trouble? He said that his superiors wanted him to pilot a boat up a river without a mounted machine gun. The men were under orders to carry their rifles unloaded. He refused and told them they were completely nuts. He asked again to be allowed to carry loaded machine guns. Permission was not granted. As he was escorted below deck to the belly of the ship he told his superiors what he thought of them. Whay happened to the men who did carry out those orders on that boat to go upriver wasn’t pretty. Vietcong snipers were waiting and shot our men up. I don’t know exactly what the purpose was for making those men go without loaded weapons. If my memory is correct, they blamed LBJ for those orders.

To this day he still has chemical burn scars in his crotch area and upper thighs from being drenched with Agent Orange. On a side note, I have a theory about Agent Orange that I may share later on. This theory was based on a lot of research that I’ve done though it’s still incomplete. My uncle later came down with terminal cancer in the crotch area and spread through his body. Despite that cancer diagnosis he’s still alive today. His remarkable story is best told by the one who experienced it.

[Ætheling]

Man that is tough. I never thought of it that way. It seems you were able to overcome this. Thanks for your service and the protection you provided for me and my family.
I truly can not think of anything worse than going to war and how that would and does affect people.

I was young and unmarried. I know guys though that their wives split for college boys after ETS. My struggle was the job thing and the feeling of worthlessness that comes with tvat and the realization tvat you were deceived by recruitment. I eventually got an Accounting degree via my GI benefits and bought a house in The Woodlands via a VA loan in my mid 20s. Never would have happened otherwise. Being older now I dont regret a thing but the perspective is important in the mental health conversation.

[sailor]

Sorry Speed..
There's only a few left, that I served with.

[AtTheWall]

I am specifically talking about Combat MOS Soldiers and Marines just like in my post. They do not get any real world skill like you are talking about. Trigger pullers, about 20 percent of the Army and Marine Corp. The rest of the service is getting skills. Field Artillery, Infantry, and Armor are not real world skills.

Oh sure they are - LAW ENFORCEMENT - FBI - DEA - GI Bill up the education - the trigger pulling is already covered in spades.

If pursuing education isn't in the cards - they provide some assistance - then a cut over to rolling from ground up, afield and climbing the ranks, is what many who know that business top down - do.

LAW ENFORCEMENT - LORD KNOWS WE NEED THEM NOW!

Customs - Border Patrol - Fisheries - State - County and or City

Chew - is an example - ex Marine and working L/E

And there are a lot out there - in the Trade world - who will take a solid veteran in - they are on time - they push like no one else can and, all of them are TRAINABLE.

And the plus - they gain EXTRA SECURITY AT A TIME WHEN SECURITY - PHYSICAL AND OTHER APPLICATIONS IS URGENT FOR MANY NOW, with these Men & Women now on site working with the crew.

The Crew - will always respect that Veteran combat type - if they don't - time to move on.


It's not easy - but type casting it with a negative spin means - a little soul searching and networking is necessary cuz - your not a PIECE OF PAPER.

Life has stages - if you served - and you continue to educate and or "do professional development" in a trade - give it 20 years in the civilian sector - that MILITARY SERVICE and COMBAT TIME = separates you from the rest of the competition.

And in lieu of today's GEO - POLITICAL climate - many now understand a VET with specific skills - drive a truck to programming - doesn't matter - THEY BECOME THE LEADERS

It's not instant - you have to work with a goal - but work - hard work - ha nothing to it - you aint back there anymore.

Grab the boot straps - life may be short but - Vets who apply - really have an upper hand. They are mature - seasoned and don't freak out over CIVILIAN ISSUES.

There are dozens of trigger pullers here - and each know - it's service departure and rebranding oneself to fit into Civvie life. But one must continue to pursue that transition - knowing darn well - rebranding is necessary. You don't come out from any branch - clearly fit to form up with Civilians.

And a solid ex-veteran - knows NO QUIT and FIGHTING is the core - post military - the fight is now that transformation - nothing changed - it's now on your shoulders to engage = adjust and excel.

[Ætheling]

Oh sure they are - LAW ENFORCEMENT - FBI - DEA - GI Bill up the education - the trigger pulling is already covered in spades.

If pursuing education isn't in the cards - they provide some assistance - then a cut over to rolling from ground up, afield and climbing the ranks, is what many who know that business top down - do.

LAW ENFORCEMENT - LORD KNOWS WE NEED THEM NOW!

Customs - Border Patrol - Fisheries - State - County and or City

Chew - is an example - ex Marine and working L/E

And there are a lot out there - in the Trade world - who will take a solid veteran in - they are on time - they push like no one else can and, all of them are TRAINABLE.

And the plus - they gain EXTRA SECURITY AT A TIME WHEN SECURITY - PHYSICAL AND OTHER APPLICATIONS IS URGENT FOR MANY NOW, with these Men & Women now on site working with the crew.

The Crew - will always respect that Veteran combat type - if they don't - time to move on.


It's not easy - but type casting it with a negative spin means - a little soul searching and networking is necessary cuz - your not a PIECE OF PAPER.

Life has stages - if you served - and you continue to educate and or "do professional development" in a trade - give it 20 years in the civilian sector - that MILITARY SERVICE and COMBAT TIME = separates you from the rest of the competition.

And in lieu of today's GEO - POLITICAL climate - many now understand a VET with specific skills - drive a truck to programming - doesn't matter - THEY BECOME THE LEADERS

It's not instant - you have to work with a goal - but work - hard work - ha nothing to it - you aint back there anymore.

Grab the boot straps - life may be short but - Vets who apply - really have an upper hand. They are mature - seasoned and don't freak out over CIVILIAN ISSUES.

Cool for you bro. I offered my real world opinion on the matter. I went LE and got a degree with no one helping me guide the way as you describe so easily. Many friends that went through what I did.

“Nothing to it”.

[Froggy]

Russian Army recruiting video vs US Army Recruiting Video

This may explain part of the problem.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5wyeApOOiU"]Russian VS American Army Recruitment Videos - YouTube[/ame]

[curtintex]

This may explain part of the problem.

Dear Lord. That made me sick to watch.

[PlanoDano]

One of the biggest factors IMO that is never talked about especially for Combat MOS Soldiers and Marines is the transition to civilian life.

You have zero workforce skills, killing people is not a job skill. You basically put your life on hold while those that went to college or learned a trade advanced.

Most civilian employers are not going to take a chance on you regardless of your "leadership" abilities if you don't have the direct experience they are looking for.

Everyone loves a vet until its time to hire one.

Going from a "hero" a warrior with the gravest responsibility, to kill for ones country to flipping burgers or making some *******s coffee at Starbucks is beyond depressing. I got to deliver Pizzas. Try going from a ****ing warrior to "hey this isnt what I ordered ******* go get me some extra pepperoni like I told the girl on the phone".

Guys that are married often have their wives leave and take their kids with them when they find out the guys that didn't enlist now have a degree or have moved up in their jobs and can provide stability.

You are lied to and told that the civilian population holds you upon high and that companies cant wait to hire you. BULL ****!!! Not saying this is everyone but this is most employers.

Sorry to hear this. I had just the opposite experience but I had a skill rating. When I have been on the hiring end I have always preferred vets. I have preferred them not just out of loyalty but in my experience they make better employees.

[Ætheling]

Sorry to hear this. I had just the opposite experience but I had a skill rating. When I have been on the hiring end I have always preferred vets. I have preferred them not just out of loyalty but in my experience they make better employees.

They do make the best employees. After military service every job is significantly easier by default.

60,000 homeless vets on the streets with 1.4 million at risk. We as a society can do better. That stat is almost half if what it was when I ETSd so people are making a difference.

[PlanoDano]

Agreed ^^ Plus they show up on time every time and do not question the job at hand. Now if we could just get them bisch less.

[Speedgoat]

They do make the best employees. After military service every job is significantly easier by default.

60,000 homeless vets on the streets with 1.4 million at risk. We as a society can do better. That stat is almost half if what it was when I ETSd so people are making a difference.

All Army troops or prior service personnel do not make the best employees. Some of these troops are mediocre at best. There are about 25% that can handle real work; the other 75% are not fit for McDonald's.

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[ThisLadyHunts]

Could be. I think our children aren't ready for failure, as our system has created a society of mediocrity and acceptance.

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I couldn’t agree more. I grew up in a military family and suicides, as well as other mental disorders (such as PTSD) were rare and the exception, even through the era of Vietnam.

In addition to raising a generation of children who were protected from failure, disappointment, pain, and discomfort, first the first time in recent history, we have also spawned a generation that puts the benefit of self ahead of that which is best for the group be it neighborhood, community, society, or country.

[critter69]

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Fight(kill) for a country to realize that it was for corrupt leaders aka corrupt corporations, ungrateful immoral citizens, all while they(we) are raping the earth. Gotta be hard. I send good vibes to all of those in a dark spot.

My feelings as well, our government is just a “legalized “ mafia, that can’t be trusted. It’s a shame.