Ammo gougers

[BrianL]

Do you realize how many people hoarded ammo years ago? Just imagine if they didn't. They would be on the demand side now and things would be a lot worse. If they didn't hoard that would have reduced demand in the past also which would be less manufacturing today, so a double whammy.

Everyone should hoard when prices are cheap. It keeps ammo companies doing good all the time. We've had this discussion like 8 times over the past 15-20 years and we will have it again.

I even remember long ago starting threads saying how it was cheap and free shipping (when I found that) and telling people to load up.

Agreed. We try to keep at least supplies to reload about 30K rounds(about a years worth of normal shooting when shooting steel matches), plus what I buy as factory rifle, 22lr, other ammo. I loaded 700 9mm on Saturday. We are down about 50% of our primers, but we buy 30K bullets and primers at a time when times are normal. I've bought some bullets thru this, but no primers.

[Tjacks84]

I've been thinking about standing in line. It's just crazy can't hardly find anything.

[jdg13]

I only have a problem with the people going around buying everything up, marking it up, then trying to act like they're doing you a favor. "But I don't buy it and sell it at a high price then someone else will buy it and keep it, my time is worth $X" is an argument I've seen. Then you get scalper "companies" that miraculously have herters, monarch etc private store brand ammo in stock at 300% markup, but want to act like they got it from a distributor. I have no problem with people selling ammo for high prices if someone else willingly pays it. I won't pay it, that's my choice. Capitalism at it's worst is still better than socialism. But let's not pretend it's not just about the money and/or greed when it comes to ammo right now.

[Clay C]

Agreed. We try to keep at least supplies to reload about 30K rounds(about a years worth of normal shooting when shooting steel matches), plus what I buy as factory rifle, 22lr, other ammo. I loaded 700 9mm on Saturday. We are down about 50% of our primers, but we buy 30K bullets and primers at a time when times are normal. I've bought some bullets thru this, but no primers.

"You didn't build tha...." oops, I mean "you don't need that"

[WyoBull]

In my simple minded opinion, fear and fear alone is what is driving this shortage. If people were not in a near panic state thinking the Zombie Apocalypse was coming, there would be plenty to go around.

It is no different than 6-9 months ago when you could not find any toilet paper or cleaning supplies on store shelves.

I don't regularly buy ammunition as I am a reloader and have enough supplies to last a long time but I just think if we could get out of the state of fear we are in, everything would and will be just fine

[KyleW]

agreed. Start reloading or just quit shooting for awhile.

Reloading supplies aren’t available either, at least not most powders or primers. Reloading isn’t the answer right now unless you are already set up to reload.

[ultrastealth]

This post screams socialism....
What I spent/spend MY money isn't anyones business lol.
If someone wants to sell ammo to someone else for .65 CPR they bought for .20CPR and they're happy to buy/sell it why should anyone else care?

You have a poor understanding of socialism. The reason that prices are high is supply and demand. Simple capitalism. I didn't say that people shouldn't be able to spend what they want on whatever they need. I said that the reason that prices are so high is that people are hording ammo, even at the current prices. That ammo is sitting around, not being shot. I didn't say that they should be punished for that or that it should be stopped. Oh, and for the poster above who said that lack of preparation was my issue, he'd be wrong. I have plenty of ammo, because I bought it when it was cheap. I also reload.

[TX03RUBI]

The problem isn't the gougers, its the people paying those prices and the people hording literally tens of thousands of rounds. That's where your ire should be.

I always like to blame others for my failures as well.

The fact that this hoarding tens of thousands of rounds haven’t bought them this year. They did it when ammo was plentiful and cheap. I’ll let you come to your own conclusions on who to blame.

[QuackHunter]

Why would people need to transport all of it?
a standard 50cal ammo can holds a ****pile of 5.56 and 9mm btw (or so I hear)

About 1250 223, or 2200 9 in 1 50cal can. Though one full of 9 is about 60lbs


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[TX03RUBI]

If SHTF, thousands of rounds of ammo is going to be tough transport. If you need more than a 500 rounds for every caliber you own, you'll probably end up dead before you exhaust your supply. That being said, it'll be great to barter with. As many problems as this country faces, I still appreciate the creature comforts living in a mostly civilized society affords us. I hope we collectively get our sh*t together before it things degrade into some sort of mad max scenario.

I’m not hoarding ammo because I expect to fight with thousands of rounds. I’m hoarding ammo so I can continue my lifestyle of hunting and shooting while others sit around on social media crying about not being able to find any. I do have defensive ammo for that intent, but I’m not fooling myself into thinking I’ll last hundred or thousands of rounds worth of fighting.

[BrianL]

Reloading supplies aren’t available either, at least not most powders or primers. Reloading isn’t the answer right now unless you are already set up to reload.

Getting into reloading right now is a waste of time and money, unless you start with buying primers and powder. Once you have that, you can start buying equipment.

[gingib]

About 6-8 months ago we had an ammunition discussion, and there were a handful of people in here laughing about those who stacked up on ammunition, and didn’t just keep a couple boxes around the house. I’m guessing they’re not the ones laughing anymore. Meanwhile I’m laughing while I can shoot comfortably at my current rates for a few years, or at lesser rates (like I intend to) for a very long time to come.

[BigJimmyRustler]

You have a poor understanding of socialism. The reason that prices are high is supply and demand. Simple capitalism. I didn't say that people shouldn't be able to spend what they want on whatever they need. I said that the reason that prices are so high is that people are hording ammo, even at the current prices. That ammo is sitting around, not being shot. I didn't say that they should be punished for that or that it should be stopped. Oh, and for the poster above who said that lack of preparation was my issue, he'd be wrong. I have plenty of ammo, because I bought it when it was cheap. I also reload.

The problem isn't the gougers, its the people paying those prices and the people hording literally tens of thousands of rounds. That's where your ire should be.

I guess I just read too much into it. I derived from that statement that "problems" are negatives. You're right this is capitalism at work, and you're the one who stated capitalism is a "problem" not me lol.

[RiverRat1]

You have a poor understanding of socialism. The reason that prices are high is supply and demand. Simple capitalism. I didn't say that people shouldn't be able to spend what they want on whatever they need. I said that the reason that prices are so high is that people are hording ammo, even at the current prices. That ammo is sitting around, not being shot. I didn't say that they should be punished for that or that it should be stopped. Oh, and for the poster above who said that lack of preparation was my issue, he'd be wrong. I have plenty of ammo, because I bought it when it was cheap. I also reload.

It's not capitalism when people can't start another ammo company to compete. And there's a reason existing companies don't expand. If they lack funds I'll invest with them tomorrow.

And this has been going on a long time. Not just recently. It's been 1-2 years since one could buy .223 PSP for hunting without searching high and low. Freedom Munitions hasn't had it in stock for I don't know how long but way before Covid.

[Razrbk89]

It does annoy me that all these gravy seals stockpile 10s of thousands of rounds and suck up the supply during times like this. I understand that it is their right to buy it up and bury all the dried beans that they want in their back yards, but these crazed runs just seem silly to me.

I’m the guy that has maybe 4-5 boxes for each rifle, & maybe two bricks of .22. That’s enough to last me for years. I don’t shoot very often.

I’d also argue that I’m probably more prepared for a “SHTF” situation than 95% of people on this site (even with my measly ammunition cache), without even a long thought towards being a prepper.

I know a couple guys that are into the prepping stuff, and I admit it is an interesting hobby. The most serious one that I know couldn’t run up a hill without having a MI, much less carry an ammo tote or go without food/AC for more than a few hours LOL.