Global warming?

[double bogey]

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/daniel-turner-un-climate-disaster

I just read this article and it reminded me how wrong the U.N. IPPC has been about the climate for 40+ years. I'm still waiting for the ice age they promised us back in the 70's. I think their science is crap, driven by money. I believe they are driven by the "one world" idiots who wish to bring the U.S. down the 3rd world levels, and combined with socialist politics, its working.

Call me a climate denier, and you are correct. I don't think we affect the climate any more than cows farting do. The earth has been warming and cooling for the entire time it has been in existence, way before man ever walked the planet. I am one who believes volcanos affect climate more than anything else.
We have not been recording temperatures with accurate enough instrumentation for long enough to make these kind of conclusions.

As far as refrigerants ruining the planet, as an a/c guy who has been in the industry over 40years, if refrigerants wreck our climate, I have done my part, releasing thousands of pounds into the atmosphere, as before 1992, that was procedure. And that was going on in the industry since chlorinated refrigerants were invented.


As far as pollution, yes we could do a better job there. We deserve to keep a cleaner planet. As many who are world traveled here have written, as bad as we pollute here, most of the newly industrialized countries are way worse.

[Man]

We are definitely to blame for the pollution in our water and on our lands, and the excess amounts of CO2 in our air. We can and are improving on all these with each day. But I do not believe that we are directly affecting the Earths weather.

This group of people who are over exaggerating all this for political gain, government control, money etc....are ruining it for ones really honestly trying to improve where we realistically can.

[4wheels]

I agree with what Man said...

I want clean air, water, land. We are not going to change the temperature of the planet. The climate change folks are only focused on co2. They are not including solar minimum, solar maximum, plate tectonics in their climate models.

[flywise]

The sun.....as in ^^^^^^^^^^^^solar minimum and maximum are the main reasons for climate change. The sun is the only factor that has been around since the beginning.
During its time the earth has frozen solid and warmed to higher levels that we currently have. Anyone who really believes humans cause any significant change to the climate really needs a good head Dr.

[muzzlebrake]

Seems to me that many have gone away from calling it Global Warming. Now they call it just plain Climate Change. Just like it's been doing for a few million years. Ain't nothing we humanoids can or gonna do that will change that.

[SaltwaterSlick]

Multi-billion dollar industry... Al Gore had to have something to do after his political career ended... Man never had a real job. Was in politics from the time he was is in high school until his second term ended as VP with Slick Willie... All of a sudden, he's unemployed so he thunk this up... He's a multi-millionaire today. To say he cut a fat hog is an understatement!

[Man]

Seems to me that many have gone away from calling it Global Warming. Now they call it just plain Climate Change.

Global Warming just wasn't selling it with record low temps...they had to rebrand and find a more generic term. Some caught on quicker than others.

[double bogey]

Here's the thing about CO2. We have discontinued the use of ozone and CO2 producing refrigerants. As some of these refrigerants decompose in the atmosphere, they create CO2. Global Warming Potential. Guess what is becoming the prevailing refrigerant used in Market (grocery store) refrigeration, CO2.
The main refrigerant in use today for a/c use is R410A. It is on the hit list to be replaced with another refrigerant, as it is a CO2 producer in decomposition.
The refrigerant industry has made lots of money with the refrigerant replacements since 1992, must be slowing down so we need to change our equipment as it isn't compatible with the new refrigerants. This has costs American (worldwide) consumers billions of $$ changing systems to use with R410A. Get ready in a few years for round 2.
It hit the refrigeration industry also, as they were using mostly R404A to replace R12 systems, and my experience, though small, deems it an excellent refrigeration refrigerant. Only since our present administration handcuffing the EPA stopped them from outlawing it at present.


The powers that be so easily make these changes that affect the peoples pocketbooks without caring how we handle it.


I will say it to the day I die. Follow the money.

I will say the good thing about R410A systems is it seems to be easier to make much higher efficiency equipment than with R22. Technology has helped also, as scroll compressors and inverter drives make a/c's much more efficient than pre 1990.

[Man]

Here's the thing about CO2. We have discontinued the use of ozone and CO2 producing refrigerants. As some of these refrigerants decompose in the atmosphere, they create CO2. Global Warming Potential. Guess what is becoming the prevailing refrigerant used in Market (grocery store) refrigeration, CO2.
The main refrigerant in use today for a/c use is R410A. It is on the hit list to be replaced with another refrigerant, as it is a CO2 producer in decomposition.
The refrigerant industry has made lots of money with the refrigerant replacements since 1992, must be slowing down so we need to change our equipment as it isn't compatible with the new refrigerants. This has costs American (worldwide) consumers billions of $$ changing systems to use with R410A. Get ready in a few years for round 2.
It hit the refrigeration industry also, as they were using mostly R404A to replace R12 systems, and my experience, though small, deems it an excellent refrigeration refrigerant. Only since our present administration handcuffing the EPA stopped them from outlawing it at present.


The powers that be so easily make these changes that affect the peoples pocketbooks without caring how we handle it.


I will say it to the day I die. Follow the money.

I will say the good thing about R410A systems is it seems to be easier to make much higher efficiency equipment than with R22. Technology has helped also, as scroll compressors and inverter drives make a/c's much more efficient than pre 1990.

And I can by a can of it at Krogers and recharge my own dang truck A/C instead of paying Earl the Mechanic to do it!

[double bogey]

And I can by a can of it at Krogers and recharge my own dang truck A/C instead of paying Earl the Mechanic to do it!

Yes, R134A apparently doesn't have any global warming potential, so non EPA certified persons legally can buy it, unlike most other refrigerants. I myself have bought a 30 lb. can at Sams club, as it was cheaper than the wholesale refrigeration suppliers.


R134A is used in lots of small refrigeration and large air conditioning applications, efficiency is ok, but it is not as good of a refrigerant as R12 was.

[Native Texan]

As long as we keep replacing forests and grasslands with concrete and houses we will continue to have more carbon in our atmosphere...and less oxygen. In my lifetime I have seen our cities expand far and beyond where there limits once were...and the trees and prairies disappear. I hate to see what the next 50 years will bring.

[150class]

Global warming?

Is it as bad as some say? Probably not
Should we still make efforts to live cleaner and help the earth? Absolutely


It’s a shame this topic has turned into a political one and masses joined one side or the other primarily due to party affiliation

[TxAg]

Is it as bad as some say? Probably not
Should we still make efforts to live cleaner and help the earth? Absolutely


It’s a shame this topic has turned into a political one and masses joined one side or the other primarily due to party affiliation

Well said

[flywise]

Is it as bad as some say? Probably not
Should we still make efforts to live cleaner and help the earth? Absolutely


It’s a shame this topic has turned into a political one and masses joined one side or the other primarily due to party affiliation

That's pollution and everyone ( at least in the developed world ) that we should do what we can to prevent pollution.
Climate change is an entirely different thing. Climate change dogma did not turn political, it has been political since its inception in the 60's or 70's. It's sole purpose is to divert your money from your pocket to the pockets of other people and governments. You want some of my money to clean the rivers in this country i probably wont have much of a problem with it. If someone want my money so they can spread socialism around the globe...well not i have a problem.

[Native Texan]

That's pollution and everyone ( at least in the developed world ) that we should do what we can to prevent pollution.
Climate change is an entirely different thing. Climate change dogma did not turn political, it has been political since its inception in the 60's or 70's. It's sole purpose is to divert your money from your pocket to the pockets of other people and governments. You want some of my money to clean the rivers in this country i probably wont have much of a problem with it. If someone want my money so they can spread socialism around the globe...well not i have a problem.

^^^Exactly^^^