Is this legal?

[Herbie]

ATF has as many loopholes as laws. These are partial truths above. Or part of the laws as we know them to be. Here is another one.

As long as the lower is marked as "multi" caliber. It can be built as a pistol.

[Black-N-Red]

Partially correct. It needs to be listed on the 4473 form as pistol or other (which is pistol or rifle). Stripped lowers usually are listed as other unless explicitly roll marked as pistol. If the gun came to you or the original buyer listed as a rifle on the 4473, then that is illegal to covert it to a pistol. Rule of thumb is you can go from pistol to rifle, but cannot convert from rifle to pistol.

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I’m glad I read this. Cause I was about to change to rifle stock on my Radical 224 to the sba3 brace & run my pistol Grendel upper on it. I guess I’ll just have to built another lower. 😏😏😏😏

[Clay C]

Is this legal?

ATF has as many loopholes as laws. These are partial truths above. Or part of the laws as we know them to be. Here is another one.

As long as the lower is marked as "multi" caliber. It can be built as a pistol.

I don’t believe that is correct.

If you are referring to a rifle with a “multi” marked lower.


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[Samson]

I don’t believe that is correct.

If you are referring to a rifle with a “multi” marked lower.


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You are correct. What is rollmarked on the lower has nothing to do with it. Consider it Art. It has to do with what the firearm is listed as on the 4473.
1. If the gun comes as a rifle to the FFL it is to be listed as a rifle on the 4473.
2. If the gun comes as a pistol to the FFL, then it's listed as a pistol.
3. If a stripped lower comes to the FFL, it is listed as Other.



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[12ring]

Had folks tell me I was illegal converting my Encore to a pistol.......

Cant remember if I went ahead and did it or not..... ��

[OrangeBlood]

so I know very little about guns, but why/how is that 2nd pic considered a pistol?

[3DW5]

Its nobody's business what you do... a friend told me to put this.

[txhunter90]

so I know very little about guns, but why/how is that 2nd pic considered a pistol?

Under a 16" barrel. To make it legal, add a shockwave or other pistol brace.

[Jspradley]

Once a rifle always a rifle.

Is it really worth the potential life ruining hassle to save the $100 it costs to just buy a new lower? You are already buying the expensive parts to make your pistol...

[mikeyb_23]

How can you find out what it was listed as? Say I bought a stripped lower 9 yrs ago from a gun show?

[J Wales]

exactly...the original configuration was a superior set up anyway for any and all applications.

Except for when you hang a can off the end...then it is too long for quick handling.

[WhiplashTX]

You are correct. What is rollmarked on the lower has nothing to do with it. Consider it Art. It has to do with what the firearm is listed as on the 4473.
1. If the gun comes as a rifle to the FFL it is to be listed as a rifle on the 4473.
2. If the gun comes as a pistol to the FFL, then it's listed as a pistol.
3. If a stripped lower comes to the FFL, it is listed as Other.

Best and correct response I've seen. There is one loophole in the above rules. You may convert a rifle to a pistol as long as the barrel is 16" or longer and the overall length is 26" or greater. The ATF still considers it a (altered) rifle. Just remember the above lengths mentioned do not count easily removed items such as pistol braces and unpinned muzzle devices. This ruling is why you can put a pistol grip on a shotgun but the barrel must be 18" or longer on a shotgun.

[dfwgunner13]

How can you find out what it was listed as? Say I bought a stripped lower 9 yrs ago from a gun show?

If it were to come up ATF would do a search on the S/N

manufacture to distributor
distributor to shop
shop to 4473