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    #76
    Originally posted by Thumper View Post
    You've been caught wearing your partisan hat, so you take it off, and then put your Dunce hat on.....lol

    Telling us the GOP and Trump own obamacare only because they couldn't break your party's filibuster is really stupid and outright lying.
    Tell the truth
    The dems could not filibuster
    Republicans killed it themselves



    How could you not remember that?
    Besides, Pence had filibuster breaking power and had a few times cast his vote on a bill to get it to Trump's desk

    So I think YOU'RE the liar here.
    How many versions of Obamacare kills were vetoed by REPUBLICANS in the Senate?
    Like four?????

    Dems were powerless and shippin bricks because they knew GOP had all the control to eviscerate Obamacare.
    But what happened was GOP knew what was in the country's best interest and left it in tact.

    There would be no Obamacare if no republicans did not vote to save it.
    Own that.

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      #77
      Originally posted by batmaninja View Post
      Uhhhh, maybe Houston isnt the best example for you to keep using.

      Have you ever fought your property taxes before?


      As lawmakers head into the Texas legislative session this week, tensions have intensified over the future of Houston schools and the threat of a state takeover of the Houston Independent School District due to chronically low-performing schools
      How do you expect me to make the field goal when you keep moving the goal posts.
      How do you go from paying for teachers to talking about standardized test scores?
      How many folks on TBH have kids with horrible STAAR scores?
      I read those posts every year how TBHers kids are scared of the exam and do poorly on it.
      Just about as bad as a kid who can't speak English and whose parents are illegals.

      HISD is like 60% Mexican and a good chunk of those cant speak English at all or dont speak English at home. But the exam is given in English.
      So of course they will have lower scores than majority English speaking ISD.

      The worse performing schools always have a high ESL student population.
      You take Woodlands High School and give them a Mexican standardized test (in Spanish) and see how well they fare.



      Oh and ive fought for my property taxes AND timber exemptions in several counties around the state. Search my name here and you'll see my comments on the process.
      I have 40 acres that is being taxed at 3 times the value of my two neighbors that each have over 500 acres (the county is claiming they have bigger acreage but their 500 acres plots are worth less than my 40 acres plot plus they have a timber exemption and I don't but the timber exemption is AFTER their already reduced property values)
      We all share a fenceline too.

      Its just ridiculous.
      Last edited by texansfan; 01-07-2019, 06:21 PM.

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        #78
        [QUOTE=texansfan;13909528 Tell the truth
        The dems could not filibuster.......{SURE THEY CAN, BILL STILL HAS TO CLEAR THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE}
        Republicans killed it themselves.....{TELL THE TRUTH, 3 GOP AND ALL 49 DNC SENATORS........BUT THE GOP OWNS obamacare????}


        How could you not remember that?
        Besides, Pence had filibuster breaking power ..............{YOU TELL THE TRUTH, PENCE ONLY HAS TIE BREAKING POWERS, HE CAN NOT BREAK A FILIBUSTER}

        So I think YOU'RE the liar here.....{OPINIONS VARY...LOL}
        How many versions of Obamacare kills were vetoed by REPUBLICANS in the Senate?
        Like four?????

        Dems were powerless and shippin bricks because they knew GOP had all the control to eviscerate Obamacare...........{NO, GOP DID NOT HAVE NEAR THE REQUIRED 60 VOTES IN THE SENATE}

        But what happened was GOP knew what was in the country's best interest and left it in tact...........{WHAT HAPPENED IS ONLY THREE RINO TRAITORS AND 49 DNC SENATORS VOTED NOT TO SEND THE THE BILL TO CONFERENCE COMMITTEE}

        There would be no Obamacare if no republicans did not vote to save it.
        Own that.[/QUOTE............{AGAIN, NO ONLY THREE GOP NEVER TRUMP'ERS AND ALL 49 DNC SENATORS. HOW CAN YOU CLAIM THE GOP THE SOLE OWNER OF obamacare, YOU'RE FUNNY, AND SO IS YOUR OPINION OF HOW PROPERTY TAXES ARE SPENT, jmo...}
        Last edited by Thumper; 01-07-2019, 07:57 PM.

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          #79
          Originally posted by rtp View Post
          So you are saying the govt deserves the money more than heirs?
          Until we set Santa Claus up as the head of the IRS, people aren't taxed based upon what they deserve, they're taxed based upon how much they make.

          If you're somehow inquiring whether I agree with progressive tax rates (higher taxes as incomes increase) for both estate and income, then the answer is yes.

          We've had them for over 100 years, and we had relatively low inequality until they were drastically changed about 30 years ago. Remember how I wrote about massive concentrations of wealth leading to an aristocracy? Well look up some figures on who controls the wealth now, and tell me how you feel about it.

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            #80
            Originally posted by sir shovelhands View Post
            Until we set Santa Claus up as the head of the IRS, people aren't taxed based upon what they deserve, they're taxed based upon how much they make.

            If you're somehow inquiring whether I agree with progressive tax rates (higher taxes as incomes increase) for both estate and income, then the answer is yes.

            We've had them for over 100 years, and we had relatively low inequality until they were drastically changed about 30 years ago. Remember how I wrote about massive concentrations of wealth leading to an aristocracy? Well look up some figures on who controls the wealth now, and tell me how you feel about it.
            I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on wealth inequality in the US and its causes. I do understand that fewer folks now control a larger amount of the wealth than in the past. I'm not exactly sure why, except for the rich get richer. But also seems that in our country, the poor get richer too. Haven't researched it but I'd wager that the bottom 20% in our society are much better off than they were 100 years ago. Many have an air conditioned home, plenty to eat, tv, cable, internet, smart phones, etc.. Interesting discussion.

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              #81
              My WAG is it could possibly have something to do with things like..certain people don't save a dime, certain people choose to drop out of school, not risk anything, not smart enough to start a business or want the stress of starting a business.

              I'd wager that the vast majority of people have an equal chance to make money. Maybe not millions or billions but good money. Just because they choose not to doesn't mean things are unfair OR that those that do should be taxed more.

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                #82
                Let's move on
                Everybody pay your taxes!

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                  #83
                  I posted this back in 2014

                  Tax his land,
                  Tax his bed,
                  Tax the table,
                  At which he's fed.

                  Tax his tractor,
                  Tax his mule,
                  Teach him taxes
                  Are the rule.

                  Tax his work,
                  Tax his pay,
                  He works for
                  peanuts anyway!

                  Tax his cow,
                  Tax his goat,
                  Tax his pants,
                  Tax his coat.

                  Tax his ties,
                  Tax his shirt,
                  Tax his work,
                  Tax his dirt.

                  Tax his tobacco,
                  Tax his drink,
                  Tax him if he
                  Tries to think.

                  Tax his cigars,
                  Tax his beers,
                  If he cries
                  Tax his tears.

                  Tax his car,
                  Tax his gas,
                  Find other ways
                  To tax his azz.

                  Tax all he has
                  Then let him know
                  That you won't be done
                  Till he has no dough.

                  When he screams and hollers;
                  Then tax him some more,
                  Tax him till
                  He's good and sore.

                  Then tax his coffin,
                  Tax his grave,
                  Tax the sod in
                  Which he's laid...

                  Put these words
                  Upon his tomb,
                  'Taxes drove me
                  to my doom...'

                  When he's gone,
                  Do not relax,
                  Its time to apply
                  The inheritance tax.

                  Accounts Receivable Tax
                  Building Permit Tax
                  CDL license Tax
                  Cigarette Tax
                  Corporate Income Tax
                  Dog License Tax
                  Excise Taxes
                  Federal Income Tax
                  Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
                  Fishing License Tax
                  Food License Tax
                  Fuel Permit Tax
                  Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
                  Gross Receipts Tax
                  Hunting License Tax
                  Inheritance Tax
                  Inventory Tax
                  IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
                  Liquor Tax
                  Luxury Taxes
                  Marriage License Tax
                  Medicare Tax
                  Personal Property Tax
                  Property Tax
                  Real Estate Tax
                  Service Charge Tax
                  Social Security Tax
                  Road Usage Tax
                  Recreational Vehicle Tax
                  Sales Tax
                  School Tax
                  State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
                  Telephone Federal Excise Tax
                  Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
                  Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
                  Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
                  Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
                  Telephone State and Local Tax
                  Telephone Usage Charge Tax
                  Utility Taxes
                  Vehicle License Registration Tax
                  Vehicle Sales Tax
                  Watercraft Registration Tax
                  Well Permit Tax
                  Workers Compensation Tax


                  STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
                  Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
                  We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom was able to stay home to raise the kids.

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by RiverRat1 View Post
                    My WAG is it could possibly have something to do with things like..certain people don't save a dime, certain people choose to drop out of school, not risk anything, not smart enough to start a business or want the stress of starting a business.

                    I'd wager that the vast majority of people have an equal chance to make money. Maybe not millions or billions but good money. Just because they choose not to doesn't mean things are unfair OR that those that do should be taxed more.


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                      #85
                      Originally posted by sir shovelhands View Post
                      Or maybe I sound like Adam Smith, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson, who believed large inheritances fly in the face of capitalist meritocracies.

                      When massive amounts of familial wealth can be transferred from one generation to next without any taxation, then you have an aristocracy in everything but name. It's for the same reasons the founding fathers abolished primogeniture and titles.



                      The same justification for every other tax we pay: because the constitution allows for it.

                      But consider that most people with great enough assets to be subject to an estate tax will have lawyers smart enough avoid paying much in taxes by using all manner of loopholes like Grantor Retained Annuity Trusts. Not to mention, the average estate tax rate (again, this is only for estates over $11 million) is 17%. Forgive me for not weeping for the losses of these inheritors.

                      $1 or $100M the govt is not more entitled to the inheritance than the heirs. What a ridiculous view IMO. Somewhere over the generations that money was earned by the family members. Why in the world should it be subject to taxation a second time?

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by Froggy View Post
                        Tax his land,
                        Tax his bed,
                        Tax the table,
                        At which he's fed.

                        Tax his tractor,
                        Tax his mule,
                        Teach him taxes
                        Are the rule.

                        Tax his work,
                        Tax his pay,
                        He works for
                        peanuts anyway!

                        Tax his cow,
                        Tax his goat,
                        Tax his pants,
                        Tax his coat.

                        Tax his ties,
                        Tax his shirt,
                        Tax his work,
                        Tax his dirt.

                        Tax his tobacco,
                        Tax his drink,
                        Tax him if he
                        Tries to think.

                        Tax his cigars,
                        Tax his beers,
                        If he cries
                        Tax his tears.

                        Tax his car,
                        Tax his gas,
                        Find other ways
                        To tax his azz.

                        Tax all he has
                        Then let him know
                        That you won't be done
                        Till he has no dough.

                        When he screams and hollers;
                        Then tax him some more,
                        Tax him till
                        He's good and sore.

                        Then tax his coffin,
                        Tax his grave,
                        Tax the sod in
                        Which he's laid...

                        Put these words
                        Upon his tomb,
                        'Taxes drove me
                        to my doom...'

                        When he's gone,
                        Do not relax,
                        Its time to apply
                        The inheritance tax.

                        Accounts Receivable Tax
                        Building Permit Tax
                        CDL license Tax
                        Cigarette Tax
                        Corporate Income Tax
                        Dog License Tax
                        Excise Taxes
                        Federal Income Tax
                        Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
                        Fishing License Tax
                        Food License Tax
                        Fuel Permit Tax
                        Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
                        Gross Receipts Tax
                        Hunting License Tax
                        Inheritance Tax
                        Inventory Tax
                        IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
                        Liquor Tax
                        Luxury Taxes
                        Marriage License Tax
                        Medicare Tax
                        Personal Property Tax
                        Property Tax
                        Real Estate Tax
                        Service Charge Tax
                        Social Security Tax
                        Road Usage Tax
                        Recreational Vehicle Tax
                        Sales Tax
                        School Tax
                        State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
                        Telephone Federal Excise Tax
                        Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
                        Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
                        Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
                        Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
                        Telephone State and Local Tax
                        Telephone Usage Charge Tax
                        Utility Taxes
                        Vehicle License Registration Tax
                        Vehicle Sales Tax
                        Watercraft Registration Tax
                        Well Permit Tax
                        Workers Compensation Tax


                        STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
                        Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
                        We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom was able to stay home to raise the kids.

                        Don't get me started on all the taxes on airplane tickets and even cellphone bills!!!
                        30 years ago a basic phone bill was about $8 pet month.
                        Now we pay $120 per month for the plan and $35 per month just to buy the dag gam phone!

                        How could I forget about rental cars from airports and what about hotels in general.
                        Many cities have a "tourist tax" where they just gouge tourists as soon as we land in their city
                        Last edited by texansfan; 01-08-2019, 05:02 PM.

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                          #87
                          Originally posted by LWC View Post
                          I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on wealth inequality in the US and its causes. I do understand that fewer folks now control a larger amount of the wealth than in the past. I'm not exactly sure why, except for the rich get richer. But also seems that in our country, the poor get richer too. Haven't researched it but I'd wager that the bottom 20% in our society are much better off than they were 100 years ago. Many have an air conditioned home, plenty to eat, tv, cable, internet, smart phones, etc.. Interesting discussion.
                          Up until the 80s, both the rich, poor, and in between saw their wages rising at relatively similar rates. Though if you consider inflation, averages wages aren't really growing.

                          Here's a pretty good article regarding stagnant wages.

                          https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevede.../#52518a361abc

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                            #88
                            Originally posted by RiverRat1 View Post
                            I'd wager that the vast majority of people have an equal chance to make money. Maybe not millions or billions but good money. Just because they choose not to doesn't mean things are unfair OR that those that do should be taxed more.
                            Offshoring of manufacturing and automation are not leaving many good blue collar jobs. Many decent jobs now require college degrees (which I think is dumb), and less than half (closer to a third) of the population has one. It doesn't help that the education system has declined significantly.

                            Also, regarding equal opportunity: social mobility in the US is terrible. Since the 80s (again), the likelihood of moving up a class (in reference to earnings) has decreased significantly, and the likelihood of stepping down a class has increased. There's also plenty of studies that have been done on the correlation between wealth and where people end up in life. The results are predictable.

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                              #89
                              Might as well find the Peace promised by belief in the Lord Jesus Christ because just reading this thread which I would assume are mostly middle to right wingers...We as a country are doomed.

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                                #90
                                Originally posted by texansfan View Post


                                Look at what they did to Marfa.
                                Please tell me that Marfa hasn't gone all liberal. I love that place, and Alpine and Valentine and Ft. Stockton......


                                Richard

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