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Originally posted by BangBang View PostMy wading shoes are about 13" long on the sole. Usually can step right next to them and judge if they are 1-2" longer than my shoe. When in question, I just move along. There's only a tater chip of a fillet on the white side from 14-17".
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Originally posted by justletmein View PostLast year I stood over one mulling it over for a solid two minutes at least, agonizing whether it was legal or not. I stabbed it... immediately walked it back to the boat to measure as I was nervous. It measured 19 freaking inches. LOL... We don't gig all that much and I guess I didn't have good enough beer goggles yet for that one. I tend to way overestimate the size to be extra safe.
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Originally posted by panhandlehunter View PostIf you watched or listened to any of the flounder scoping meetings, commercial take of flounder was such a small number it wasn’t even factored in.
I’m still a cca member but am not pleased with all that they do, actually never was. Joined flatsworthy, like some of what they believe but not everything either. Older I get the more conservation minded I seem to be, really want my grandkids to get to experience the stuff I have.
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Originally posted by kyle1974 View PostThe problem is that CCA is now a national organization, and it's full of northern liberals.
CCA National's executive director is from Houston and a former fishing guide and current recreational angler.
CCA Texas executive director is from Houston and a recreational angler.
CCA does not represent or advocate for the commercial fishing industry.
CCA's influence over Texas Parks and Wildlife is wildly overstated on this thread.Last edited by El General; 05-22-2020, 12:05 PM.
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TPWD's presentation from the flounder scoping meetings is attached for anyone curious on the data used to come up with the proposals. I'd note the last two pages where a November and December closure along with an increased size limit shows a projected 58-60% increase in spawning biomass.
There are many contributing problems to flounder numbers, but the biggest problem is gulf water temperatures. Flounder are very susceptible to sea water temperatures getting out of a small range in the first three weeks.
Post metamorphisis temps that are in the ideal range result in a 50-50 distribution between males and females. Seawater temperature that are too warm lead to mostly male fish (up to 94% of the fish being male). Male fish grow to 10-12" and spend most of their life in the gulf.
The fish you catch in the bay are female fish.
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Originally posted by El General View PostThe statement above is not true. CCA Texas and National headquarters is in Houston in the same building. The same people that run CCA Texas run CCA National. They are all recreational anglers. The chairman of CCA National is a long time CCA Texas state board member and management committee member from San Antonio.
CCA National's executive director is from Houston and a former fishing guide and current recreational angler.
CCA Texas executive director is from Houston and a recreational angler.
CCA does not represent or advocate for the commercial fishing industry.
CCA's influence over Texas Parks and Wildlife is wildly overstated on this thread.
Maybe I’m wrong about where they’re from but I’ve been to enough scoping meetings to hear the same “killing the last buffalo” mantra. I also know people from Texas that are hardcore left associated with CCA, like the remnants of the wade paddle and pole group.
As for CCA not influencing TPW... come on man. They are THE main influence. They picked up the “just keep 5” lingo several years back and pushed it relentlessly to TPW. Even though TPW state’s the surveys didn’t dictate the limit should be lowered, they lowered it based on public opinion, mostly derived from CCA voices.
Let’s not even go into the ironic hypocrisy of the conservation association sponsoring the biggest big trout killing tournament in the United States.Last edited by kyle1974; 05-22-2020, 01:00 PM.
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Thank you for posting that El General.
If you look at those retention numbers and don't come to the conclusion that something dramatic needs to be done then you need to seriously reassess your interests as a sportsman.
I like to fish for flounder as much as the next guy and love a good stuffed flounder. But even in my relatively limited time fishing on the gulf coast I have seen decline in the numbers and size of flounder being caught.
Good stewardship can and will preserve this resource.
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Originally posted by kyle1974 View PostMaybe I’m wrong about where they’re from but I’ve been to enough scoping meetings to hear the same “killing the last buffalo” mantra. I also know people from Texas that are hardcore left associated with CCA, like the tenants of the wade paddle and pole group.
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Originally posted by kyle1974 View PostMaybe I’m wrong about where they’re from but I’ve been to enough scoping meetings to hear the same “killing the last buffalo” mantra. I also know people from Texas that are hardcore left associated with CCA, like the tenants of the wade paddle and pole group.
As for CCA not influencing TPW... come on man. They are THE main influence. They picked up the “just keep 5” lingo several years back and pushed it relentlessly to TPW. Even though TPW state’s the surveys didn’t dictate the limit should be lowered, they lowered it based on public opinion, mostly derived from CCA voices.
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