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Copper87 07-14-2013 07:27 PM

no help on the bones...but thats cool

explorer1 07-15-2013 08:19 AM

Looks to be bison,the bone was split and the marrow extracted cool finds.

Reelthreat 07-15-2013 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Copper87 (Post 7242795)
would this be paleo

flaking pics

size reference pic
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Probably a Refugio knife which is about 3000-4000 year old

J-Jac 07-15-2013 08:36 AM

Great thread, I will post some up soon.

Reelthreat 07-15-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Hogdude1234 (Post 7242839)

Maybe a Nolan.

quarterback 07-15-2013 10:32 AM

Armadillophil, next time you dig that overhang bag up some charcoal. That can be carbon dated to see how old everything is. Now that I think about it, the bone material may be able to be dated also. It's very cool to see the bone. Not something you see every day.

GarGuy 07-15-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper87 (Post 7246695)
Garguy, Johnny, Reelthreat.....whats your thoughts on post#67

If I found it, I would be thinking paleo. Sure hard to tell without a base.It could be a middle archaic knife but the flaking style looks older.

Copper87 07-15-2013 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GarGuy (Post 7252377)
If I found it, I would be thinking paleo. Sure hard to tell without a base.It could be a middle archaic knife but the flaking style looks older.

I have been leaning on paleo since i found it.. its so well made and the flaking is awesome..but like you said its herd to tell without the base thanks for the input

Copper87 07-15-2013 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Jac (Post 7248738)
Great thread, I will post some up soon.

Tell Chris to post on here

Possum Fat 07-15-2013 11:56 PM

I assume this is a trade pipe, but can the pattern be identified as to how old and its origin? Found it while shooting carp on some shallow flats back in May. Tried to find the other half of the bowl but couldn't. Lots of nice points in the area as well, but doubtful from the same period.

http://i.imgur.com/b7LwCVY.jpg?1

Hoyt Man 07-16-2013 08:22 AM

I got a few more I would like to have identified

Hoyt Man 07-16-2013 08:30 AM

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Most of these were found in colorado county around Garwood

DBHIII 07-16-2013 10:12 AM

Awesome thread. This will be useful!

Reelthreat 07-16-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GarGuy (Post 7252377)
If I found it, I would be thinking paleo. Sure hard to tell without a base.It could be a middle archaic knife but the flaking style looks older.

Do you think it could be a Refugio knife? It appears to have some parallel flaking on one site and random flaking on the other... Without seeing it in person I am just guessing the parallel was just accidental. Also don't see any real overshot flakes (which occur on a lot of large thin paleo blades).

GarGuy 07-16-2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Reelthreat (Post 7254415)
Do you think it could be a Refugio knife? It appears to have some parallel flaking on one site and random flaking on the other... Without seeing it in person I am just guessing the parallel was just accidental. Also don't see any real overshot flakes (which occur on a lot of large thin paleo blades).

Yes, I think it could be as well as a number of other Archaic knife types. Now for the overshot, Im not sure it wasn't origionally overshot and the resharpening eliminated a lot of that, The face of the blade is pretty flat. Just hard to say without a base or context.

bowhunter1 07-16-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoyt Man (Post 7253558)
Most of these were found in colorado county around Garwood

These are mine, just need clarification on what they are.

Reelthreat 07-16-2013 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bowhunter1 (Post 7254642)
These are mine, just need clarification on what they are.

The pink birdie looks like an Edwards and the white is a scallorn. There is also a perdenales (u shaped back), a bunch of tools/scrapers, some tortugas (triangles) and what looks like some Darls (narrower side notched points). Also, some that can't be identified, not enough there.

If you have one in particular you would like identified, post it seperate or point out which one and will try to ID.

Hoyt Man 07-16-2013 03:01 PM

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Trying to determine these

bowhunter1 07-16-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoyt Man (Post 7255191)
Trying to determine these

These two in particular I would like to know what they are if possible. The slender one has a left hand bevel on the point and a right hand bevel on the hafting area. Any idea what tribes where in Colorado county around that time?

diego111993 07-16-2013 03:18 PM

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I've posted this pic before but these are just a few of my favorite surface finds from Aguilares, Texas. My uncle found this this really cool rock that was turned into a snake head on the ranch, I'll have to get a pic of it but do any of y'all know what the purpose of it might be?

dustoffer 07-16-2013 03:39 PM

Guys--you're killing me!!!! Left a lease on Hwy 97 east of Cotulla 'bout 5-6 years ago and haven't found a point since then. :(

GarGuy 07-16-2013 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bowhunter1 (Post 7255225)
These two in particular I would like to know what they are if possible. The slender one has a left hand bevel on the point and a right hand bevel on the hafting area. Any idea what tribes where in Colorado county around that time?

Its hard to put an exact type on those from the pics. It appears both are broken? I can say they are both far older than any named tribes. I would venture they are early archaic. A minimum of 6,000 years old and probably older. It also appears the fatter one is upside down. It looks to me that it is a broken blade since what you are viewing as a point is ground. this would indicate that its actually the base of the blade and maybe a Lerma.

Reelthreat 07-16-2013 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by diego111993 (Post 7255256)
I've posted this pic before but these are just a few of my favorite surface finds from Aguilares, Texas. My uncle found this this really cool rock that was turned into a snake head on the ranch, I'll have to get a pic of it but do any of y'all know what the purpose of it might be?

Not sure on the snake head, would live to see it though.


As for the points from left to right: perdiz, frio, toyah, maybe Starr or matamoros, matamoros, and frio.

Reelthreat 07-16-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GarGuy (Post 7255536)
Its hard to put an exact type on those from the pics. It appears both are broken? I can say they are both far older than any named tribes. I would venture they are early archaic. A minimum of 6,000 years old and probably older. It also appears the fatter one is upside down. It looks to me that it is a broken blade since what you are viewing as a point is ground. this would indicate that its actually the base of the blade and maybe a Lerma.

Yep, I would agree with what Garguy said.

diego111993 07-16-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Reelthreat (Post 7255741)
Not sure on the snake head, would live to see it though.

Its about the size of my palm and I you can make out the eyes, nose, and fangs.

Its pretty much like this

Ca$ey 07-16-2013 06:20 PM

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Here's a few I've found on our lease in Laredo. I don't know anything about them other than there cool to find. [ATTACH]518062

Reelthreat 07-16-2013 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by diego111993 (Post 7255913)
Its about the size of my palm and I you can make out the eyes, nose, and fangs.

Its pretty much like this

http://www.arrowheadology.com/forums...-driveway.html

Here is what they have to say about it... They would know more than me. Some are professional archs. and professors.

Reelthreat 07-16-2013 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ca$ey (Post 7255963)
Here's a few I've found on our lease in Laredo. I don't know anything about them other than there cool to find. [ATTACH]518062

The triangles are tortugas and the other diamond shaped ones are desmukes (hard to tell from the picture but if rounded/teardrop shaped they are probably catans).

Copper87 07-16-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GarGuy (Post 7254525)
Yes, I think it could be as well as a number of other Archaic knife types. Now for the overshot, Im not sure it wasn't origionally overshot and the resharpening eliminated a lot of that, The face of the blade is pretty flat. Just hard to say without a base or context.

thanks for the info guys.. i just wish it was all there to be for sure...one of my better finds bc i found it on are ranch and is was my second find at are ranch

Reelthreat 07-16-2013 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ca$ey (Post 7255963)
Here's a few I've found on our lease in Laredo. I don't know anything about them other than there cool to find. [ATTACH]518062

The triangles are tortugas and the other diamond shaped ones are desmukes (hard to tell from the picture but if rounded/teardrop shaped they are probably catans).

BrokenJ 07-16-2013 08:24 PM

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/a...psa9111bf2.jpg
What is it?

kcrcookers 07-16-2013 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenJ (Post 7256603)

An arrowhead on a quarter

Copper87 07-16-2013 09:49 PM

looks to be a reworked Marcos

Copper87 07-16-2013 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reelthreat (Post 7254415)
Do you think it could be a Refugio knife? It appears to have some parallel flaking on one site and random flaking on the other... Without seeing it in person I am just guessing the parallel was just accidental. Also don't see any real overshot flakes (which occur on a lot of large thin paleo blades).

also i found this 45min east of Midland isnt Refugio knifes more south tx area

Copper87 07-18-2013 11:14 PM

ttt

Copper87 07-19-2013 11:13 PM

what would you make of this
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...psb7c830f7.jpghttp://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...psebadfd82.jpghttp://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7083b254.jpg

Copper87 07-19-2013 11:15 PM

Any idea on this...Found close to lake ivie by the colorado river
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...psb9f88d6b.jpghttp://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...ps345203a1.jpg

Copper87 07-19-2013 11:16 PM

and its very thin

Copper87 07-19-2013 11:17 PM

A few of my dads points tell me what ya think
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...pscecf4866.jpghttp://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...pscecf4866.jpg

Copper87 07-19-2013 11:17 PM

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...psf7ac21b2.jpg


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