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sotx 02-03-2021 12:12 PM

Protein/Cotton
 
For last 10 years have been feeding protein as well as cotton. Thinking of doing away with protein and just go straight cotton. What do you guys think, the good the bad.

elgato 02-03-2021 12:21 PM

Why? Protein offers more advantages than cotton

Barney1971 02-03-2021 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sotx (Post 15448249)
For last 10 years have been feeding protein as well as cotton. Thinking of doing away with protein and just go straight cotton. What do you guys think, the good the bad.

smart move actually... protein prices seem to have gone up again in the last few weeks. i personally am familiar with and have hunted on a ranch outside of encinal that grows 200+ inch deer every year and there is not one corn feeder or protein feeder on the whole 6000 acres- they just feed cottonseed continuously.

sotx 02-03-2021 12:41 PM

My main problem is getting 40,000 lbs worth of feeders filled every month.


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RanchFrag 02-03-2021 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sotx (Post 15448249)
For last 10 years have been feeding protein as well as cotton. Thinking of doing away with protein and just go straight cotton. What do you guys think, the good the bad.

Here is a very good and informative video. Pay attention to Gary Holcomb and John Sewell's comments


160class 02-03-2021 12:57 PM

I know of a place out of Freer that all they feed is cottonseed and it produces some great deer.

But to your point of 40,000 lbs a month, thats only having to do 4 loads a month, that isn't bad at all!

Jags26 02-03-2021 01:24 PM

Great video. Thank you for posting that.

Czechfish 02-03-2021 01:24 PM

I just put ours out Sunday and Monday. Up a little from last time. $170 per 1000

sotx 02-03-2021 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 160class (Post 15448386)
But to your point of 40,000 lbs a month, thats only having to do 4 loads a month, that isn't bad at all!

Can you elaborate?

160class 02-03-2021 06:49 PM

I saw you have a feed wagon, I assumed it was a 10K which is only 4 loads a month with that, I was just being a smart***, I feel the pain of keeping feeders full, we had 75+ of them to keep full on the Catarina place I was on

RanchFrag 02-03-2021 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jags26 (Post 15448427)
Great video. Thank you for posting that.

Not a problem. It's worth mentioning that the same feed company has just developed and release a cottonseed designed specifically for deer. All 3 options have color coordinated bags. Plain whole cottonseed is Orange, Fortified Cottonseed is Red, and Fortified Deer Blend Cottonseed is Yellow. They are claiming a single deer will consume 1/2 to 2 pounds per day.

sotx 02-03-2021 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 160class (Post 15449173)
I saw you have a feed wagon, I assumed it was a 10K which is only 4 loads a month with that, I was just being a smart***, I feel the pain of keeping feeders full, we had 75+ of them to keep full on the Catarina place I was on


Lmao yes if only I had a silo I'd be set.


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bbqfan5909 02-03-2021 08:07 PM

When cotton seed was $160 a ton delivered, was worth the added effort to scope it into baskets. Don’t see the cost advantage now, so we run pellets.

160class 02-03-2021 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sotx (Post 15449336)
Lmao yes if only I had a silo I'd be set.


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Yes that makes a huge difference, if you do get one, do gravity fed, it’ll fill a 10K buggy in about 45-60 seconds. It’s also helps if you have 2 buggy’s and 2 crews getting it and each doing 3-4 loads a day ha my dad handles all of them on his own (working full time on the ranch) the last couple of years

Duckhead78 02-04-2021 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RanchFrag (Post 15448368)
Here is a very good and informative video. Pay attention to Gary Holcomb and John Sewell's comments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8tpo2o3S5E

I came across this video a few days ago when researching about cottonseed. My local TS store has it for about $16 a 50# bag. I'm thinking about buying a few bags just to see if the deer will eat it.

Bureau2 02-04-2021 03:48 PM

Cotton seed works great. Thanks for the video.

deerwatcher51 02-06-2021 07:25 AM

I feed nothing but cottonseed from about Jan 1st until the middle of March and then I feed both cottonseed and pellets. I’m feeding only cottonseed durning that time mainly for the fat content.

DEADEYE1 03-02-2021 03:12 PM

silo
 
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Originally Posted by sotx (Post 15449336)
Lmao yes if only I had a silo I'd be set.


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Get a silo, they are worth their weight in gold!!! If you need someone I can direct you to a guy that makes them and is the cheapest I have found and they are well built. Have several buddies with them!! DM if you are interested.

PROD49 03-02-2021 03:45 PM

I switched to Fortified Cottonseed. Vert vert little waste as compared to protein. Coons don't eat it, doesn't go bad when it rains, pigs don't eat it either.

DEADEYE1 03-03-2021 09:13 AM

Cottonseed
 
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Originally Posted by PROD49 (Post 15502220)
I switched to Fortified Cottonseed. Vert vert little waste as compared to protein. Coons don't eat it, doesn't go bad when it rains, pigs don't eat it either.

Pigs will eat it, at least mine did. They chew it up and spit it out and it looks like wet saw dust all over the ground. I got pics of them eating it all last year!!!!

DEADEYE1 03-03-2021 09:19 AM

Protein with cotton seed in it:)
 
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I'm feeding Protein with just the cottonseed in the protein and its delinted. WIn WIN, I don't have to fill my baskets up anymore. I do have some cottonseed out now in baskets but its because my cousin picked up some for me a month or so ago!!!!!

Dusty8186 03-03-2021 10:26 AM

The video says they're feeding 365. I thought I heard it will make the bucks sterile if they are feeding on it during the Rut. Did I imagine that?

PROD49 03-03-2021 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dusty8186 (Post 15503483)
The video says they're feeding 365. I thought I heard it will make the bucks sterile if they are feeding on it during the Rut. Did I imagine that?

This is a perpetual statement that never seems to die even though it has been disproven many many times.

sotx 03-03-2021 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DEADEYE1 (Post 15502138)
Get a silo, they are worth their weight in gold!!! If you need someone I can direct you to a guy that makes them and is the cheapest I have found and they are well built. Have several buddies with them!! DM if you are interested.

I will do that for sure if I can convince our lease boss. Thanks for the info.

sotx 03-03-2021 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PROD49 (Post 15503519)
This is a perpetual statement that never seems to die even though it has been disproven many many times.

You are absolutely right. Its unreal how the mere mention of cotton to someone and they immediately claim the sterilization falsehood. SMH

DEADEYE1 03-03-2021 03:30 PM

Silo
 
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Originally Posted by sotx (Post 15503701)
I will do that for sure if I can convince our lease boss. Thanks for the info.

If you are feeding that much protein the cost of a silo is a no brainer!! buy the protein with the cottonseed mix like me and its the best of both worlds!!!!

good luck!!!!!

stx 03-04-2021 10:27 PM

I would think the amount of cottonseed they would consume would replace the protein to an extent. To me putting cottonseed out is much harder and more labor intensive. I think you are better off sticking with both. I feel like more deer get to eat at a feed pen when you have both out. If you have a protein feeder in a pen you’re likely only feeding a couple deer at a time. I have a protein feeder and 2-3 cottonseed baskets in a pen and 10-12 deer can feed at the same time comfortably.

Alemana 03-05-2021 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DEADEYE1 (Post 15503363)
I'm feeding Protein with just the cottonseed in the protein and its delinted. WIn WIN, I don't have to fill my baskets up anymore. I do have some cottonseed out now in baskets but its because my cousin picked up some for me a month or so ago!!!!!

What product is that and where are you getting it from? Any clogs in a gravity fed feeder?

sotx 03-05-2021 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stx (Post 15506121)
I would think the amount of cottonseed they would consume would replace the protein to an extent. To me putting cottonseed out is much harder and more labor intensive. I think you are better off sticking with both. I feel like more deer get to eat at a feed pen when you have both out. If you have a protein feeder in a pen youíre likely only feeding a couple deer at a time. I have a protein feeder and 2-3 cottonseed baskets in a pen and 10-12 deer can feed at the same time comfortably.

Well what you have is what I have, however I cannot keep the cows from destroying my pens to get to the protein feeders.

jason86 03-05-2021 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sotx (Post 15506927)
Well what you have is what I have, however I cannot keep the cows from destroying my pens to get to the protein feeders.

Cows jump out pens to get to CS

dogcatcher 03-05-2021 03:31 PM

Cotton seed is 24% protein, gin trash is about 11% protein. Gin trash is also used in cattle feed. Years ago gin trash was burned, that was stopped by EPA rules. Now they dump it on the ground, sort of like mulch, feed cattle, etc.. Had some dumped on some of our property once, I saw the deer eating at the pile of gin trash. We mixed a little corn, and they were there eating more.

What do Texas cotton gins do with gin trash?
file:///C:/Users/MHasenak/Downloads/62-Article%20Text-106-1-10-20160413.pdf

What is the make up of gin trash?
http://cotton.tamu.edu/General%20Pro...B%201311_2.pdf

DEADEYE1 03-05-2021 03:55 PM

feed
 
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Originally Posted by Alemana (Post 15506820)
What product is that and where are you getting it from? Any clogs in a gravity fed feeder?

I get it from Lyssy & Eckel
Have to order a 6 ton min for them to make it I think.

stx 03-05-2021 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sotx (Post 15506927)
Well what you have is what I have, however I cannot keep the cows from destroying my pens to get to the protein feeders.

Most pens are 4 strand barb wire with the bottom wire 18 inches to 2 feet off the ground. using old telephone poles for the corners and gate. Have also used hog panel wired up the same off the ground if the wire gets loose and cows start tearing it up.

LuckyCards2006 03-05-2021 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by elgato (Post 15448269)
Why? Protein offers more advantages than cotton

This!!

honchogrande2 04-23-2021 10:49 AM

Cottonseed
 
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Originally Posted by PROD49 (Post 15502220)
I switched to Fortified Cottonseed. Vert vert little waste as compared to protein. Coons don't eat it, doesn't go bad when it rains, pigs don't eat it either.

I started feeding Fortified Cottonseed this year and the deer are all over it! But the Coons WILL eat it and pigs will as well. I was told the same thing so I just put barbed wire around my cotton feeder and the pigs tore it up! Not a deer one got to the seed. I put a hog panel feeder pen up to take care of the pigs.

sotx 04-25-2021 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by honchogrande2 (Post 15584567)
I started feeding Fortified Cottonseed this year and the deer are all over it! But the Coons WILL eat it and pigs will as well. I was told the same thing so I just put barbed wire around my cotton feeder and the pigs tore it up! Not a deer one got to the seed. I put a hog panel feeder pen up to take care of the pigs.


Yes I have found that pigs coons Javalina and cows love cotton seed [emoji35]


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jason86 04-25-2021 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by honchogrande2 (Post 15584567)
I started feeding Fortified Cottonseed this year and the deer are all over it! But the Coons WILL eat it and pigs will as well. I was told the same thing so I just put barbed wire around my cotton feeder and the pigs tore it up! Not a deer one got to the seed. I put a hog panel feeder pen up to take care of the pigs.

I bet them coons are after the corn your feeder is throwing on it

Cull hunter 04-25-2021 02:47 PM

Seems to me if you have to feed both something is missing from your protein.

SuperExotics 04-26-2021 08:44 AM

The original draw of whole cottonseed was that it was cheap. Now it seems its trendy because a lot of big time deer ranches feed it. Make it $14/50, put it in a sack, and let the hunters feed away.


Protein pellets are superior, and if the price is close they win all day.

BiggieSmalls 04-26-2021 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cull hunter (Post 15587503)
Seems to me if you have to feed both something is missing from your protein.

IDK..

Cotton seed is 17% fat and 21% fiber, about. You will never get that in a pelleted feed. Fiber is good for intestinal flora, which in turn allows for better digestion. The fat, that has it's own benefits and yes, while too much is not always better, it gives the animals a different option during the different growing stages of the year.

There are a lot of animals that will not eat at a protein feeder, but will hit cottonseed everyday.

Cull hunter 04-26-2021 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BiggieSmalls (Post 15588839)
IDK..

Cotton seed is 17% fat and 21% fiber, about. You will never get that in a pelleted feed. Fiber is good for intestinal flora, which in turn allows for better digestion. The fat, that has it's own benefits and yes, while too much is not always better, it gives the animals a different option during the different growing stages of the year.

There are a lot of animals that will not eat at a protein feeder, but will hit cottonseed everyday.

I know of a feed that you will not need cotton seed for.

PM if interested.

Plus I managed 30,000 acres in south Texas for a long time so I can show proof.
Best year we had was with no seed and protein only.

Cull hunter 04-26-2021 03:19 PM

I know of a feed that does not require seed for its fiber value.

PM if interested.

PS—I managed 30,000 acres in south Texas. Been through them all.

aggieman12 04-26-2021 03:30 PM

We also feed both at our main feed stations. However, I have a few secondary feed pens that have only corn and cottonseed.

During hunts, most mature bucks eat all 3 each time they get in the pen - they prefer a variety just like humans.

The cattle definitely prefer the protein over the cottonseed. They don't come into my pens if there is no protein, but once they get in, they will eat the cottonseed as well.

It's all expensive and a pain to keep full, but it's fun. I think.

Big Mike M 04-26-2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cull hunter (Post 15589218)
I know of a feed that does not require seed for its fiber value.

PM if interested.

PSóI managed 30,000 acres in south Texas. Been through them all.

What is the cost of the protein?

Cull hunter 04-26-2021 06:36 PM

U still on Bag there Big Mike?

JWHunt 04-26-2021 08:07 PM

Cottonseed is not a full ration and does not have everything it takes to grow a whitetail deer it s a supplement. Where a full ration deer pellet will do it all. But everyone wants to find the easy way to get protein to the deer and not have to worry about the feed getting wet in the rain and other animals eating it. Along with any other problem that may come along.

You know when people don’t have big deer (low fence ) on their place it’s because they don’t have the minerals in the ground. That’s why they fertilize the weeds and the brush. Not because they don’t have enough protein. And fat, it only takes so much and then it’s too much, they only need about 4 to 6% fat in their diet.

The rule of thumb that Dr Mick Hellickson told me was “if you are only going to feed one then feed pellets, but if you are going to feed cottonseed then you need to feed pellets also. ”

txheartshot 04-26-2021 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JWHunt (Post 15589661)
Cottonseed is not a full ration and does not have everything it takes to grow a whitetail deer it s a supplement. Where a full ration deer pellet will do it all. But everyone wants to find the easy way to get protein to the deer and not have to worry about the feed getting wet in the rain and other animals eating it. Along with any other problem that may come along.

You know when people donít have big deer (low fence ) on their place itís because they donít have the minerals in the ground. Thatís why they fertilize the weeds and the brush. Not because they donít have enough protein. And fat, it only takes so much and then itís too much, they only need about 4 to 6% fat in their diet.

The rule of thumb that Dr Mick Hellickson told me was ďif you are only going to feed one then feed pellets, but if you are going to feed cottonseed then you need to feed pellets also. Ē


This is where Fortified cotton seed comes in. I havenít started feeding it, yet, but I am intrigued.


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BiggieSmalls 04-26-2021 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cull hunter (Post 15589218)
I know of a feed that does not require seed for its fiber value.

PM if interested.

PSóI managed 30,000 acres in south Texas. Been through them all.

No need to PM, just share it with the group and letís see those pictures as well.

Cull hunter 04-26-2021 10:37 PM

I’ll stick with PM’s for those interested. I’ll be happy to share everything I know and have. I’ll even meet u at your lease or ranch and offer any insight I have. I just have some experience but am not an expert. Just did some research and asked a lot of questions.

The only thing that I will argue here is that many will buy protein at the lowest price they can or whatever is easiest to get. I understand. Feeding deer is expensive and difficult. Especially on a large place. But they will also feed seed as well. So now you have an added expense of the seed as well. Most feeds have c seed or meal already in them so c seed is really needed for the fiber.

So I believe in spending extra on the protein that has the fiber needed.

Not gonna start a protein war here.

PM and I’ll even share my number as well as the reps.

Arrow-Tek 04-26-2021 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cull hunter (Post 15589903)
Iíll stick with PMís for those interested. Iíll be happy to share everything I know and have. Iíll even meet u at your lease or ranch and offer any insight I have. I just have some experience but am not an expert. Just did some research and asked a lot of questions.

The only thing that I will argue here is that many will buy protein at the lowest price they can or whatever is easiest to get. I understand. Feeding deer is expensive and difficult. Especially on a large place. But they will also feed seed as well. So now you have an added expense of the seed as well. Most feeds have c seed or meal already in them so c seed is really needed for the fiber.

So I believe in spending extra on the protein that has the fiber needed.

Not gonna start a protein war here.

PM and Iíll even share my number as well as the reps.

Are you singing to Double Down song? If your truly interested in help just come out and say it!


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