Have yet to have a pass through

[aarongray]

So far this season I have had 2 bow kills. Each deer dropped, flopped, and died where I shot them. Both arrows didn’t pass through and both broke with them flopping.

I shoot 60# with a 29.5 draw, slick trick magnum 100 grain,beaman ICS, total setup 370 grain, and both deer were at 20 yards hit in the lungs.

I’m glad the deer are down but I hate breaking my arrows.

[muddyfuzzy]

Arrow setup is very light, something 450-500 grains would serve you better imo. Not sure what broadhead you run but COC fixed blade heads help a lot with penetration as well. You could definitely run something in a 300 spine with your setup which will have a thicker wall and better durability. When arrows remain in an animal lots of times they are damaged and/or broken.


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[txoutdoorsman24]

Don’t feel bad. They are dead right.
As stated, your arrows are lighter than most. I shoot 470 grain total arrows and the buck I killed in November wasn’t a pass thru. 72# @29” draw. Everything worked out great bc he died in 30 yards but it did surprise me a little. Hit the off shoulder so that def stopped the arrow.

[aarongray]

Arrow setup is very light, something 450-500 grains would serve you better imo. Not sure what broadhead you run but COC fixed blade heads help a lot with penetration as well. You could definitely run something in a 300 spine with your setup which will have a thicker wall and better durability. When arrows remain in an animal lots of times they are damaged and/or broken.


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Headed to go get some 340 gold tips. Thank you for the help. I’m hunting a semi residential area so I’ll have plenty of opportunities to test it out!

[kd350]

Like muddyfuzzy said... go heavier, and add weight upfront on your arrows. currently shooting 500 gr. and I’m breaking bones. If I wouldn’t aim for bones I’d blow through them, but it’s impressive when you break stuff

[aarongray]

Like muddyfuzzy said... go heavier, and add weight upfront on your arrows. currently shooting 500 gr. and I’m breaking bones. If I wouldn’t aim for bones I’d blow through them, but it’s impressive when you break stuff

The 340 spine arrows I got are 25 grains heavier. So that puts me at something like 400 grains total. If I don’t get a pass through on these next deer imma add some 50 grain inserts and retune at the end of the year.

[Low Fence]

1. I’d never trade “dead in sight” for a pass through... ever

2. A 380-400gr arrow will shoot through any deer a 7000 gr will

3. The difference in momentum with 25 and 50 gr might make a calculated number move... but is nothing more than a puff of wind in the real world. Now the added foc.... still won’t make a difference BUT will/could help arrow flight AND THAT imho is more important that any other factor

Oh and my 385 gr 340’s with slicktrick mags breaks every bone it hits

[enewman]

The question is, why am I not getting a passthrough?

When shooting a light arrow and yours is light. The broadhead type is what you look at. The head you are using is a good head. But it’s not good for your set up. Long profile heads are what you look for. No matter if it’s a 4,3, or 2 blade. 2 blade cut on contact is best. But even these heads may not give you the results you are looking for.

Next question is, what improves penetration potential. We will eliminate the bow, unless you are looking to buy another one. If so K.E is what you look at.

To increase penetration potential is increasing weight. You are shooting 60lbs. At that weight I recommend 8gpi min. So 480gr. Again that’s min 9gpi would be a better choice.

The fun part on post like this is people are going to tell you what does it matter. The deer are dead. This is correct. They are dead. Personally your reason to look at getting a pass through is not a reason I would look at. Breaking arrows is part of hunting. If the dear are dead don’t worry about it. When you start loosing deer because of this lack of penetration, then you need to fix.

I always recommend reading 12 penetration factors by Dr. Ashby.

[PondPopper]

Go heavier. Problem solved.

[quackadikt]

First thing would be to change your heads to something like a Magnus Stinger/Black Hornet, Hellrazor, etc(like enewman said, a true COC head). Then go up a spine and add some brass in the front. You'll be golden.

[rocky]

So far this season I have had 2 bow kills. Each deer dropped, flopped, and died where I shot them. Both arrows didn’t pass through and both broke with them flopping.

I shoot 60# with a 29.5 draw, slick trick magnum 100 grain,beaman ICS, total setup 370 grain, and both deer were at 20 yards hit in the lungs.

I’m glad the deer are down but I hate breaking my arrows.

I’m having a hard time understanding lung shot deer dropping in their tracks and flopping around till dead.

[aarongray]

I’m having a hard time understanding lung shot deer dropping in their tracks and flopping around till dead.

I don’t get it either. They are residential deer so idk if that has some weird effect.

Got a heavier spine arrow and it almost passed through but hit the other leg on the other side quartering away. She ran for 75 yards and died.

[rocky]

I don’t get it either. They are residential deer so idk if that has some weird effect.

Got a heavier spine arrow and it almost passed through but hit the other leg on the other side quartering away. She ran for 75 yards and died.

I can understand this happening. The only times out of a hundred plus deer I’ve killed with a bow, that they went down at impact was when I hit high enough to traumatize the spine in some way. Pretty much miss lungs on that shot.

[randal]

I don’t get it either. They are residential deer so idk if that has some weird effect.

Got a heavier spine arrow and it almost passed through but hit the other leg on the other side quartering away. She ran for 75 yards and died.

I’ve shot 2 that was a complete pass thru both lungs and they just looked up like they heard something, looked around for about 15 seconds and got dizzy fell over kicked a minute and died..

[Jon B]

I can understand this happening. The only times out of a hundred plus deer I’ve killed with a bow, that they went down at impact was when I hit high enough to traumatize the spine in some way. Pretty much miss lungs on that shot.

The only ones I have ever had drop were spined or one where I whiffed a shot into a feeder leg and it ricocheted into her neck.